Richie C Thinks; Jets Should Go Hard After Holt

[SoFlaJets]

Jets should go hard after Holt

March 9, 2009

The Jets showed no interest in Terrell Owens, and that was the right call, but they still have a big hole at wide receiver. Mike Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan are sadly mistaken if they think the combination of an unproven quarterback and only one starting-caliber receiver (Jerricho Cotchery, a possession receiver at that) is going to generate any sort of offense. This team needs to make a strong play for Torry Holt, who probably will be a free agent in eight days. Based on what I'm hearing, I'd be surprised if they don't pursue Holt.

Yes, Holt's age is up (33 in June) and his numbers were down (64 catches, 796 yards, three touchdowns), but he became a possession receiver last season because of the Rams' inability to protect the passer. He might not be an elite receiver anymore, but he still has enough in the tank to draw respect from a defense. He's a prideful professional and the change of scenery will do wonders for him.

Henry Ellard is the Jets' new receivers coach, the same Ellard who served as Holt's position coach for seven consecutive 1,000-yard seasons. If that doesn't give the Jets an advantage in terms of recruiting and insider knowledge, what does?

Holt has requested his release, and there's a good chance his wish will be granted March 17, when a $1.25 million roster bonus is due. The Jets should pounce on him. They can't rely solely on the draft to find an impact receiver. Chances are, the top two wideouts (Michael Crabtree and Jeremy Maclin) will be gone, leaving the second tier - Percy Harvin, Darrius Heyward-Bey and Hakeem Nicks, all of whom would be reaches with the 17th pick.

Ryan keeps talking about the quality of the Jets' O-line and how he wants to run the ball, and he's right, the Jets do have a good line and good backs. But they're going to see an endless diet of eight-man fronts if Kellen Clemens is throwing to Cotchery, Dustin Keller, Chansi Stuckey and David Clowney. Say what you want about Brett Favre, but his presence forced defenses to respect the pass, opening running lanes for Thomas Jones and Leon Washington.

With their current cast of pitchers and catchers, the offense will come to a screeching halt unless they add another threat. Holt is that guy, and don't be surprised if the Jets are among his most ardent suitors.

[Jetkid94]

Jets should go hard after Holt

March 9, 2009

The Jets showed no interest in Terrell Owens, and that was the right call, but they still have a big hole at wide receiver. Mike Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan are sadly mistaken if they think the combination of an unproven quarterback and only one starting-caliber receiver (Jerricho Cotchery, a possession receiver at that) is going to generate any sort of offense. This team needs to make a strong play for Torry Holt, who probably will be a free agent in eight days. Based on what I'm hearing, I'd be surprised if they don't pursue Holt.

Yes, Holt's age is up (33 in June) and his numbers were down (64 catches, 796 yards, three touchdowns), but he became a possession receiver last season because of the Rams' inability to protect the passer. He might not be an elite receiver anymore, but he still has enough in the tank to draw respect from a defense. He's a prideful professional and the change of scenery will do wonders for him.

Henry Ellard is the Jets' new receivers coach, the same Ellard who served as Holt's position coach for seven consecutive 1,000-yard seasons. If that doesn't give the Jets an advantage in terms of recruiting and insider knowledge, what does?

Holt has requested his release, and there's a good chance his wish will be granted March 17, when a $1.25 million roster bonus is due. The Jets should pounce on him. They can't rely solely on the draft to find an impact receiver. Chances are, the top two wideouts (Michael Crabtree and Jeremy Maclin) will be gone, leaving the second tier - Percy Harvin, Darrius Heyward-Bey and Hakeem Nicks, all of whom would be reaches with the 17th pick.

Ryan keeps talking about the quality of the Jets' O-line and how he wants to run the ball, and he's right, the Jets do have a good line and good backs. But they're going to see an endless diet of eight-man fronts if Kellen Clemens is throwing to Cotchery, Dustin Keller, Chansi Stuckey and David Clowney. Say what you want about Brett Favre, but his presence forced defenses to respect the pass, opening running lanes for Thomas Jones and Leon Washington.

With their current cast of pitchers and catchers, the offense will come to a screeching halt unless they add another threat. Holt is that guy, and don't be surprised if the Jets are among his most ardent suitors.

That is why I dont mind having Holt.

[Boozer76]

Even if we hypothetically drafted Crabtree, he still likely wouldn't produce at the level of top caliber WR as a rookie. Bringing in Holt makes sense even if we have every intention of drafting a WR in the first.

[ZachEY]

I'd support this on a 2 or 3 year deal.

[slats]

But they're going to see an endless diet of eight-man fronts if Kellen Clemens is throwing to Cotchery, Dustin Keller, Chansi Stuckey and David Clowney.

This line really makes me want to step up and defend the Jets, but I don't know if I can. I can deal with Cotch and Keller as the Jets top two receivers, but I don't believe they have enough else to keep the pressure off them - to allow them to get open. Stuckey and/or Clowney would need to take a major step forward.

For a deal similar to the one Coles just signed in Cincy, I think Holt might be an ideal Coles replacement.

Even if we hypothetically drafted Crabtree, he still likely wouldn't produce at the level of top caliber WR as a rookie. Bringing in Holt makes sense even if we have every intention of drafting a WR in the first.

I expected to keep Coles, and wanted the Jets to draft a WR #1, too. Bringing in Holt wouldn't alter my thinking on that. I also hope the Jets are looking at TE's down the line who can be the complete blocking and receiving package they need at the position opposite Keller.

[Irish Jet]

He's on the downside of his career. If he's looking for Top Caliber WR type money, even if it's a short term deal - Forget it.

He's past his best and he has lost a step over the past few year but he could contribute and add something to this team. Right now our WR core is one of the weakest in the league and I honestly don't want to rely on Cotchery as our #1 guy. If we can get Holt for a reasonable deal them bring him in.

[Jetscode1]

I would get excited if we could get him...most WRs taken in the draft will require some polish...hopefully, the relationship with Ellard can start a conversation that leads to him in Green and White...

[JiF]

He's on the downside of his career. If he's looking for Top Caliber WR type money, even if it's a short term deal - Forget it.

He's past his best and he has lost a step over the past few year but he could contribute and add something to this team. Right now our WR core is one of the weakest in the league and I honestly don't want to rely on Cotchery as our #1 guy. If we can get Holt for a reasonable deal them bring him in.

Agreed.

Holt could help this offense. There is nobody on this team that can command a double team, and I dont think any WR in this draft is going to have an immediate impact.

[ZachEY]

He's on the downside of his career. If he's looking for Top Caliber WR type money, even if it's a short term deal - Forget it.

He's past his best and he has lost a step over the past few year but he could contribute and add something to this team. Right now our WR core is one of the weakest in the league and I honestly don't want to rely on Cotchery as our #1 guy. If we can get Holt for a reasonable deal them bring him in.

We can't possibly be going into the season with Cotch at #1 and no 1st round WR. I gotta think we're either going to go WR in the 1st, or there's some other plan for aquiring a relatively high level talent.

I'm not sure there's a team out there that's in worse shape at WR than we are right now.

[Irish Jet]

We can't possibly be going into the season with Cotch at #1 and no 1st round WR. I gotta think we're either going to go WR in the 1st, or there's some other plan for aquiring a relatively high level talent.

I'm not sure there's a team out there that's in worse shape at WR than we are right now.

I agree completely but let me tell you I would not be surprised at all if no WR was brought in. As disastrous as it may be there is a chance Ryan is one of those coaches that simply doesn't value the WR position, especially when it comes to drafts.

There are quite a few coaches/teams that have a similar mindset around the league when it comes to WR's and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Ryan who wants to run the ball and play tough defense is one of them.

I personally am desperately hoping we bring someone in but even drafting someone early may not be enough. WR's tend to take a while to develop and I don't want to be relying on one to start from day 1.

[Stonehands]

Purely my opinion, but if I am Holt and I get released....I take less money and less years to play in a passing offense before I sign on with the Jets for any kind of a discount.

[The Gun Of Bavaria]

We could have Jesus Christ in his prime at WR, but if we still have Pontius Pilate is throwing the ball, it's sort of Counterproductive.

[SMC]

Some team is dumb enough to pay Holt big money, and it won't be the Jets. As already mentioned, if at a good cap value I'd be happy if the Jets get him. Even with him I think the Jets should still draft a WR at 17.

[Arsis]

Like other people have said. It depends on the money. Only if we can sign him for what he is actually worth and not overpay based on his name and **** he did 5+ years ago.

[aec4]

He's on the downside of his career. If he's looking for Top Caliber WR type money, even if it's a short term deal - Forget it.

He's past his best and he has lost a step over the past few year but he could contribute and add something to this team. Right now our WR core is one of the weakest in the league and I honestly don't want to rely on Cotchery as our #1 guy. If we can get Holt for a reasonable deal them bring him in.

He's going to warrant 1 yr, 6.5M at least I'd think.

[Norway'sWaddlingMarmaloof]

Jets should go hard after Holt

March 9, 2009

The Jets showed no interest in Terrell Owens, and that was the right call, but they still have a big hole at wide receiver. Mike Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan are sadly mistaken if they think the combination of an unproven quarterback and only one starting-caliber receiver (Jerricho Cotchery, a possession receiver at that) is going to generate any sort of offense. This team needs to make a strong play for Torry Holt, who probably will be a free agent in eight days. Based on what I'm hearing, I'd be surprised if they don't pursue Holt.

Yes, Holt's age is up (33 in June) and his numbers were down (64 catches, 796 yards, three touchdowns), but he became a possession receiver last season because of the Rams' inability to protect the passer. He might not be an elite receiver anymore, but he still has enough in the tank to draw respect from a defense. He's a prideful professional and the change of scenery will do wonders for him.

Henry Ellard is the Jets' new receivers coach, the same Ellard who served as Holt's position coach for seven consecutive 1,000-yard seasons. If that doesn't give the Jets an advantage in terms of recruiting and insider knowledge, what does?

Holt has requested his release, and there's a good chance his wish will be granted March 17, when a $1.25 million roster bonus is due. The Jets should pounce on him. They can't rely solely on the draft to find an impact receiver. Chances are, the top two wideouts (Michael Crabtree and Jeremy Maclin) will be gone, leaving the second tier - Percy Harvin, Darrius Heyward-Bey and Hakeem Nicks, all of whom would be reaches with the 17th pick.

Ryan keeps talking about the quality of the Jets' O-line and how he wants to run the ball, and he's right, the Jets do have a good line and good backs. But they're going to see an endless diet of eight-man fronts if Kellen Clemens is throwing to Cotchery, Dustin Keller, Chansi Stuckey and David Clowney. Say what you want about Brett Favre, but his presence forced defenses to respect the pass, opening running lanes for Thomas Jones and Leon Washington.

With their current cast of pitchers and catchers, the offense will come to a screeching halt unless they add another threat. Holt is that guy, and don't be surprised if the Jets are among his most ardent suitors.

Wow, why is Cimini calling the Jets' offense a bunch of pickle-kissers?

[PS17]

Some team is dumb enough to pay Holt big money, and it won't be the Jets. As already mentioned, if at a good cap value I'd be happy if the Jets get him. Even with him I think the Jets should still draft a WR at 17.

I agree with this, the Jets need 2 receivers, I would be more than happy with Holt in FA & someone like Maclin or Nicks at 17.

[SoFlaJets]

I agree completely but let me tell you I would not be surprised at all if no WR was brought in. As disastrous as it may be there is a chance Ryan is one of those coaches that simply doesn't value the WR position, especially when it comes to drafts.

There are quite a few coaches/teams that have a similar mindset around the league when it comes to WR's and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Ryan who wants to run the ball and play tough defense is one of them.

I personally am desperately hoping we bring someone in but even drafting someone early may not be enough. WR's tend to take a while to develop and I don't want to be relying on one to start from day 1.

the Ravens had Derrick Mason (80 catches over a thousand yards) and Mark Clayton (41 for 700) last year along with Heap at TE not exactly being neglectful of the receiver position

[JETfrmWOMBtoTOMB]

Jets should go hard after Holt

March 9, 2009

The Jets showed no interest in Terrell Owens, and that was the right call, but they still have a big hole at wide receiver. Mike Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan are sadly mistaken if they think the combination of an unproven quarterback and only one starting-caliber receiver (Jerricho Cotchery, a possession receiver at that) is going to generate any sort of offense. This team needs to make a strong play for Torry Holt, who probably will be a free agent in eight days. Based on what I'm hearing, I'd be surprised if they don't pursue Holt.

Yes, Holt's age is up (33 in June) and his numbers were down (64 catches, 796 yards, three touchdowns), but he became a possession receiver last season because of the Rams' inability to protect the passer. He might not be an elite receiver anymore, but he still has enough in the tank to draw respect from a defense. He's a prideful professional and the change of scenery will do wonders for him.

Henry Ellard is the Jets' new receivers coach, the same Ellard who served as Holt's position coach for seven consecutive 1,000-yard seasons. If that doesn't give the Jets an advantage in terms of recruiting and insider knowledge, what does?

Holt has requested his release, and there's a good chance his wish will be granted March 17, when a $1.25 million roster bonus is due. The Jets should pounce on him. They can't rely solely on the draft to find an impact receiver. Chances are, the top two wideouts (Michael Crabtree and Jeremy Maclin) will be gone, leaving the second tier - Percy Harvin, Darrius Heyward-Bey and Hakeem Nicks, all of whom would be reaches with the 17th pick.

Ryan keeps talking about the quality of the Jets' O-line and how he wants to run the ball, and he's right, the Jets do have a good line and good backs. But they're going to see an endless diet of eight-man fronts if Kellen Clemens is throwing to Cotchery, Dustin Keller, Chansi Stuckey and David Clowney. Say what you want about Brett Favre, but his presence forced defenses to respect the pass, opening running lanes for Thomas Jones and Leon Washington.

With their current cast of pitchers and catchers, the offense will come to a screeching halt unless they add another threat. Holt is that guy, and don't be surprised if the Jets are among his most ardent suitors.

Nah, pass... There will be something better available later on.

[SoFlaJets]

Nah, pass... There will be something better available later on.

that's just it-there won't be anyone better out there-New England is also looking for another receiver to replace Gaffney and are having every available guy in "for a visit". Torry Holt puts up Coles-like numbers and will be cheaper and cause less aggravation

[SoFlaJets]

Titans | Could make a run at Holt

Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:34:23 -0700

Terry McCormick, of The City Paper, reports the Tennessee Titans still would like to add a wide receiver to their roster despite the addition of WR Nate Washington, and could look to make a run at WR Torry Holt should he be released by the St. Louis Rams.

[JETfrmWOMBtoTOMB]

that's just it-there won't be anyone better out there-New England is also looking for another receiver to replace Gaffney and are having every available guy in "for a visit". Torry Holt puts up Coles-like numbers and will be cheaper and cause less aggravation

Hmmm, I see what you're gettin' at but I think if we're gonna have a WR come in and have to learn our playbook I'd rather that player be younger. How do we know exactly who is or is not gonna come loose this offseason? I wouldn't be totally opposed to Holt but I think we need to draft a good WR. We have an amazingly talented TE that is a gamebreaker. I think if we can get a fast young WR to bring along while he stretches the field we'll be ok.

[Ghost]

I think if we do go after him we should still grab a wideout via draft either 1st or 2nd round.

[Thai Jet]

I take him in a heart beat if the money were right. I don't want any long term nonsense deals.

[Thai Jet]

I think if we do go after him we should still grab a wideout via draft either 1st or 2nd round.

Oh yeah for sure. We MUST take a WR EARLY in the draft.

[124]

Why not sign a cheaper player like Joey Galloway to a 1 or 2 year deal instead of giving Holt a 4 or 5 year contract?

[Larz]

we need a veteran WR and 2 rooks in my opinion

not sure if holt is the guy, but I don't think we've brought even 1 guy in yet, so I think he's be worth a look

we need a veteran so we don't HAVE to draft a WR at 17

I wouldn't shed a single tear if clowney and stuckey get beat out by better guys in camp, we need to have a deep corp of guys to really stage a serious competition

if the jets go to camp with clowney and stuckey entrenched, with no legitimate competition, they are making a huge mistake

here's my depth chart right now

1 -

2 - cotch

3 -

4 - stuckey

5 - clowney

6 - wright

[Gainzo]

Stevie G thinks that the Jets should think more about their QB situation than signing a 33 year old who has spent most of his career catching passes in a dome.

[GangGreen]

Jets should go hard after Holt

March 9, 2009

The Jets showed no interest in Terrell Owens, and that was the right call, but they still have a big hole at wide receiver. Mike Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan are sadly mistaken if they think the combination of an unproven quarterback and only one starting-caliber receiver (Jerricho Cotchery, a possession receiver at that) is going to generate any sort of offense. This team needs to make a strong play for Torry Holt, who probably will be a free agent in eight days. Based on what I'm hearing, I'd be surprised if they don't pursue Holt.

Yes, Holt's age is up (33 in June) and his numbers were down (64 catches, 796 yards, three touchdowns), but he became a possession receiver last season because of the Rams' inability to protect the passer. He might not be an elite receiver anymore, but he still has enough in the tank to draw respect from a defense. He's a prideful professional and the change of scenery will do wonders for him.

Henry Ellard is the Jets' new receivers coach, the same Ellard who served as Holt's position coach for seven consecutive 1,000-yard seasons. If that doesn't give the Jets an advantage in terms of recruiting and insider knowledge, what does?

Holt has requested his release, and there's a good chance his wish will be granted March 17, when a $1.25 million roster bonus is due. The Jets should pounce on him. They can't rely solely on the draft to find an impact receiver. Chances are, the top two wideouts (Michael Crabtree and Jeremy Maclin) will be gone, leaving the second tier - Percy Harvin, Darrius Heyward-Bey and Hakeem Nicks, all of whom would be reaches with the 17th pick.

Ryan keeps talking about the quality of the Jets' O-line and how he wants to run the ball, and he's right, the Jets do have a good line and good backs. But they're going to see an endless diet of eight-man fronts if Kellen Clemens is throwing to Cotchery, Dustin Keller, Chansi Stuckey and David Clowney. Say what you want about Brett Favre, but his presence forced defenses to respect the pass, opening running lanes for Thomas Jones and Leon Washington.

With their current cast of pitchers and catchers, the offense will come to a screeching halt unless they add another threat. Holt is that guy, and don't be surprised if the Jets are among his most ardent suitors.

Sign him.

[ZachEY]

Stevie G thinks that the Jets should think more about their QB situation than signing a 33 year old who has spent most of his career catching passes in a dome.

Feel free to enlighten us as to who is available that we should be going after?

[Bergen Jet]

Like other people have said. It depends on the money. Only if we can sign him for what he is actually worth and not overpay based on his name and **** he did 5+ years ago.

He was a pro bowler in 4 of the last 5 seasons with 93 or more catches in each of those seasons with 1188 yards or more in each of those seasons...

He has had one "bad" year and that was last year.

[drago]

Did i miss something? Since when is Nicks considered a reach at 17? I think reaching is a weak term in certain spots of the draft, middle of the first is one of those spots.

[MasonJet]

I would sign him for a year or 2, he's definitely on the decline but is also a starting caliber wide receiver that is way more capable than Stuckey or Clowney at this point. We need to draft a receiver in the first or second round but we need another veteran because our WR situation is scary right now.

[124]

If I'm the Jets I go to St.Louis and offer a 6th round pick so they can at least get SOMETHING out of losing Holt. Sirius saying today it will likely be between the Jets, Giants, Ravens & Titans. Remember also that Derrick Mason wants an extension (1 year left on his deal) and if the Ravens were to pick up Holt he could be released and end up in New York with Rex Ryan.

I'm in favor of bringing in SOMEONE who has been a consistent good WR in this league. Holt still has a lot left in him I believe. He had a good season last year for having to work with what he had at Quarterback with Bulger being hurt and zero Offensive Line. The OLine playing like **** will drop a receivers numbers drastically. Everything starts on the line.

Holt with the Jets in 2009 catches 90-100 balls.

Then again, I think Joey Galloway or Derrick Mason (if Mason were to be released) could do that as well. Just Holt is younger. They're all playing better than Laveranues Stone Hands Concussion Syndrome Coles.

[#27TheDominator]

If I'm the Jets I go to St.Louis and offer a 6th round pick so they can at least get SOMETHING out of losing Holt. Sirius saying today it will likely be between the Jets, Giants, Ravens & Titans. Remember also that Derrick Mason wants an extension (1 year left on his deal) and if the Ravens were to pick up Holt he could be released and end up in New York with Rex Ryan.

I'm in favor of bringing in SOMEONE who has been a consistent good WR in this league. Holt still has a lot left in him I believe. He had a good season last year for having to work with what he had at Quarterback with Bulger being hurt and zero Offensive Line. The OLine playing like **** will drop a receivers numbers drastically. Everything starts on the line.

Holt with the Jets in 2009 catches 90-100 balls.

Then again, I think Joey Galloway or Derrick Mason (if Mason were to be released) could do that as well. Just Holt is younger. They're all playing better than Laveranues Stone Hands Concussion Syndrome Coles.

Problem with that is the roster bonus. Holt is due a roster bonus on St. Patrick's day and if you trade for him I think you are on the hook for it. The Rams probably aren't going to pay it, so that's when they'll cut him. Trade for him and you've got him for around $8M for the year and I don't think he'd be happy about it.