Jetlag Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Right now as a team there are a lot of important pieces put in place or are being put in place, but if you were the rest of the league what would you want to trade for most off of the Jets? 1) Darrelle Revis 2) Nick Mangold 3) D'Brickashaw Ferguson 4) Leon Washington 5) Kris Jenkins 6) David Harris 7) Kerry Rhodes 8) 2009 1st Round pick 9) Bart Scott 10) Jerricho Cotchery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Revis is probably our best player, I honestly think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain_the_foe Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Right now as a team there are a lot of important pieces put in place or are being put in place, but if you were the rest of the league what would you want to trade for most off of the Jets? 1) Darrelle Revis 2) Nick Mangold 3) D'Brickashaw Ferguson 4) Leon Washington 5) Kris Jenkins 6) David Harris 7) Kerry Rhodes 8) 2009 1st Round pick 9) Bart Scott 10) Jerricho Cotchery How about the man that led the AFC in rushing, a probowler and is under the age of 30 in Thomas Jones. Damn, I know that I've gotten on dude kinda hard but its like he still doesnt get love to atleast be in the top 10. Bart Scott hasnt even played for us yet. And if you put our 1st rounder in front of TJ then why dont you just put Vernon Gholston in front of him to and make Gholston an "honorary mention" or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Major problem that we have a franchise that our QB is not in our list of team assets We're fukked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted March 10, 2009 Author Share Posted March 10, 2009 Revis is probably our best player, I honestly think so. This list isn't necessarily about who you'd rank as our best players but who/what are our most valuable assets, as in what would bring back the most in a trade on the open market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted March 10, 2009 Author Share Posted March 10, 2009 How about the man that led the AFC in rushing, a probowler and is under the age of 30 in Thomas Jones. Damn, I know that I've gotten on dude kinda hard but its like he still doesnt get love to atleast be in the top 10. Bart Scott hasnt even played for us yet. And if you put our 1st rounder in front of TJ then why dont you just put Vernon Gholston in front of him to and make Gholston an "honorary mention" or something. Because right now I think Bart Scott would get us more back in a trade then Gholston or TJ. Although Gholston is debatable because he is so young and has the tools. While TJ is a very good player, his value on the market probably isn't that great due to his age and position. I'm not stopping you or anyone else from making their own list. This is just how I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Switch Brick and Mangold, delete Cotch and Harris, slide Scott to 10, Rhodes to 9, and put in Faneca at 7 with Pace at 6. Once you do that, great list. And keep in mind that Rhodes is going to be higher by the end of the upcoming season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergen Jet Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 How about the man that led the AFC in rushing, a probowler and is under the age of 30 in Thomas Jones. He will be 31 before the season starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaJetFan Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 # 1. BRAD SMITH!!!!! (just kidding. on to the real list) 1 & 2: Leon Washington / Darelle Revis (tie with slight edge to Leon) ** Remember, Leon is the Jets only pure All-Pro player. He is the Jets most explosive player and only dominant player. He has won at least four games the past three years by himself. Off Hand - K.C. 2008 (60 yd TD run), Patriots O.T. game 2008 (kick return for TD and Pass recption for TD) and Miami 2006 (70 Yd game winning screen pass reception.) Just watch the highlights. He can beat you returning kicks and punts, running the ball and catching passes and screens. It's a no-brainer. Revis is dominant...but not as dominant as Leon. 3. Mangold - Probowl player, better than D'Brick at this point. Also, he's young and has MANY years to go. 4. Rhodes - Should have already been 1 or 2 time probowler, but it's a popularity contest. 5. Dustin Keller - Too much upside. He had a fantastic rookie year last year and was just scratching the surface. Teams around the league would all go crazy for this guy right now. He's our best receiver and tight end (non-blocking). Will be a multi-year probowl player. Guaranteed to go higher than 30th overall if the draft were done over. 6. Faneca - Pro Bowler about a billion times. Second Best Lineman on team after Mangold. 7. D'brick. (combination of youth, potential and current abilities) 8. Bart Scott 9. Cotchery (combination of youth, potential and current abilities) 10. Harris (combination of youth, potential and current abilities) **Kris Jenkins is off the list because of his age and (IMO) inability to last an entire season. If he can make it the whole way this year, great! I hope he proves me wrong. But at his age and dramatic drop off in performance/ability last year...I don't see his demand being that high. He has had multiple injuries in the past as well. Also, he seems to be a split personality and takes many plays off (likely from Fatigue, but I don't care). I loved the guy (just as I loved Favre against my better judgement) until week 11! **TJ - Great work ethic and attitude. Just not that talented. He was running behind an elite O-line and with Favre behind center. Give me Leon and Any decent rookie or vet role player and we will dominate the run game. *Gholston, Pace, BT, Lito....uhhhh show me something and check back next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted March 10, 2009 Author Share Posted March 10, 2009 I was considering throwing the 2010 First Rounder in there as well, probably at 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaJetFan Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I completely leave out the 2009 first round pick and replace it with Dustin Keller (but I rank Keller higher than 17 overall). I would like to hear your argument on this, but I would take Keller with the 17th overall pick or HIGHER this year. He is a phenom and we've only seen the very tip of the iceberg in a breakout rookie year. So what would you rather part ways with: the 17th this year, or Dustin Keller? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted March 10, 2009 Author Share Posted March 10, 2009 1 & 2: Leon Washington / Darelle Revis (tie with slight edge to Leon) ** Remember, Leon is the Jets only pure All-Pro player. He is the Jets most explosive player and only dominant player. He has won at least four games the past three years by himself. Off Hand - K.C. 2008 (60 yd TD run), Patriots O.T. game 2008 (kick return for TD and Pass recption for TD) and Miami 2006 (70 Yd game winning screen pass reception.) Just watch the highlights. He can beat you returning kicks and punts, running the ball and catching passes and screens. It's a no-brainer. Revis is dominant...but not as dominant as Leon. I LOVE Leon, he does everything you want plus more but the fact is this, Revis is this teams most valuable commodity by a long shot. Revis is a Top 2-3 CB in the league right now, can you say that about Leon? RB's do not carry the weight that a shutdown corner does, even one as versatile as Leon. Hell we still don't know if he could carry the load as a number 1. I think Leon could fetch a late first rounder but Revis would get us a first and a second IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaJetFan Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 P.S. - Don't forget how priceless draft pics are as you are drooling (circa March 2008) over the prospect of picking up Gholston at 6th overall!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted March 10, 2009 Author Share Posted March 10, 2009 I completely leave out the 2009 first round pick and replace it with Dustin Keller (but I rank Keller higher than 17 overall). I would like to hear your argument on this, but I would take Keller with the 17th overall pick or HIGHER this year. He is a phenom and we've only seen the very tip of the iceberg in a breakout rookie year. So what would you rather part ways with: the 17th this year, or Dustin Keller? Actually I had forgotten about Keller when I made that list. I wouldn't leave off the 2009 first rounder but I would put Keller above it and knock off Cotch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaJetFan Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I can't argue with your reasoning regarding what Revis vs Leon would bring in trade. However, as a Jets fan...they are both priceless and equivalent. The loss of either would be 100% equally devastating. The only thing we can't say about Revis is that he has outright dominated games in big moments as Leon has. AND for the record, Leon is not a running back. He is an all-purpose back and athlete. He made all - pro as a special teams player correct?? I never argued that he can 'carry the load.' That's not the point. The point is how many game winning plays is the guy worth, and how much value on open market is the guy worth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted March 10, 2009 Author Share Posted March 10, 2009 P.S. - Don't forget how priceless draft pics are as you are drooling (circa March 2008) over the prospect of picking up Gholston at 6th overall!!! First round drat picks have value in this league, and pretty good value at that. Want proof? Just look at all the pro-bowlers who've been traded for less than a first rounder. Just because they don't always pan out does not mean that teams don't value them because I think it's clearly obvious that they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PaJetFan Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Seriously, now that hurts. Maybe this is me being a homer, but (this is just personal) I consider Cotch worth more than the 17 overall this year as well. How many catches for 70 yards (off his elbow in 06 regular season and again in the 06 playoffs) both against the pats does the guy have to make to get credit? Don't forget his game winning catch in the rain in Foxboro against the pats to seal the deal! Don't forget his off - the - helmet catch this year and him almost single handedly winning the season opener last year against the ravens. The guys is clutch and plays his best in the big moments against good opponents. I'll take Cotch over the random guy at 17 who might be a bust. Sure, this is a homer pick....but I like good attitude, hard working, clutch performers. To me Cotch is worth as much as Hines Ward or John Taylor in their prime. To me, that's at least an unproven #17 pick. It's proven value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted March 10, 2009 Author Share Posted March 10, 2009 Seriously, now that hurts. Maybe this is me being a homer, but (this is just personal) I consider Cotch worth more than the 17 overall this year as well. How many catches for 70 yards (off his elbow in 06 regular season and again in the 06 playoffs) both against the pats does the guy have to make to get credit? Don't forget his game winning catch in the rain in Foxboro against the pats to seal the deal! Don't forget his off - the - helmet catch this year and him almost single handedly winning the season opener last year against the ravens. The guys is clutch and plays his best in the big moments against good opponents. I'll take Cotch over the random guy at 17 who might be a bust. Sure, this is a homer pick....but I like good attitude, hard working, clutch performers. To me Cotch is worth as much as Hines Ward or John Taylor in their prime. To me, that's at least an unproven #17 pick. It's proven value. I think you're misunderstanding this thread somewhat. So just because I said Revis would be worth a 1st and a 2nd doesn't mean there'd be a chance in hell I'd be happy with that trade. In fact a team would have to cough up 3 first rounders for me not to kill Mike T. Cotchery would never get a first rounder in or player comparable to that in a trade. Nor would I really be happy with them trading Cotch for a mid first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Switch Brick and Mangold, delete Cotch and Harris, slide Scott to 10, Rhodes to 9, and put in Faneca at 7 with Pace at 6. Once you do that, great list. And keep in mind that Rhodes is going to be higher by the end of the upcoming season. Wow. I thought he had D'Brick listed too high at number three. I think he's pretty average for a LT. If there are other teams that rate him as highly as you guys, I'd like to hear their trade offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted March 10, 2009 Author Share Posted March 10, 2009 Wow. I thought he had D'Brick listed too high at number three. I think he's pretty average for a LT. If there are other teams that rate him as highly as you guys, I'd like to hear their trade offers. Good luck finding another 25 year old LT as good to replace him. For his age/ability I'd say if there was an open draft with the total pool of players available to be drafted there would maybe be only 2 or 3 LT's taken before him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 3) D'Brickashaw Ferguson Statistically, the Jets were the worst team in the NFL running off left-tackle in 2008. For a team that is going to be run-first on offense, I don't think Ferguson is the team's 3rd-best asset. He's a good left tackle overall due to good (though hardly shutdown) pass protection. But he's not the dominant player he was drafted to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 A first rounder for Leon? Are you guys serious? For purposes of this discussion I think almost every person has paid way too little attention to contract status. Leon is a FA after this season. They'd be lucky to get a fourth. The first rounder is worth way more than Bart Scott because the Jets paid Scott and if other teams wanted to pay him that much they could have, rather than pay him AND send something over. I remember everybody crying about Revis' holdout, but it looks like that extra year will be worth it now, doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 A first rounder for Leon? Are you guys serious? For purposes of this discussion I think almost every person has paid way too little attention to contract status. Leon is a FA after this season. They'd be lucky to get a fourth. The first rounder is worth way more than Bart Scott because the Jets paid Scott and if other teams wanted to pay him that much they could have, rather than pay him AND send something over. I remember everybody crying about Revis' holdout, but it looks like that extra year will be worth it now, doesn't it? I think Leon could bring back a 3rd. But that should be a non-issue, they should extend him anyhow. Also if you are talking Jets assets, I am not sure how the flight crew is not on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 1. Kris Jenkins 2. The Rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Pretty good list. I think Keller has to be on there. He has certainly shown enough potential to be more valuable at this point than whoever will be picked at #17. I am glad you show Harris fairly high on the list. I suspected last year that his injury nagged him all year (before and after the games he sat out). He was a beast in 2007 (even playing behind a slub like DRob). It was no fluke. Being healthly this year, with two years of experience, playing behind a hopefully healthy Jenkins and next to Scott in Ryan's aggressive defense, I expect big things from #52 in 09. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcord1786 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I don't think its even a question: KRIS JENKINS #1 & 1a, the most important part of our enitre defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Anyone remember after the got Kris Jenkins how I said he was the most important player to the defense? Yeah, I am smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Right now as a team there are a lot of important pieces put in place or are being put in place, but if you were the rest of the league what would you want to trade for most off of the Jets? 1) Darrelle Revis 2) Nick Mangold 3) D'Brickashaw Ferguson 4) Leon Washington 5) Kris Jenkins 6) David Harris 7) Kerry Rhodes 8) 2009 1st Round pick 9) Bart Scott 10) Jerricho Cotchery No Gholston? #3 for Ferguson? No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I remember everybody crying about Revis' holdout, but it looks like that extra year will be worth it now, doesn't it? Pretty sure Revis' last 2 years are voidable making his deal really a 4 year deal Revis will be gone in 2 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Pretty sure Revis' last 2 years are voidable making his deal really a 4 year deal Revis will be gone in 2 years Absolutely no chance of the Jets extending him? You are just the eternal optimist, aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Pretty sure Revis' last 2 years are voidable making his deal really a 4 year deal Revis will be gone in 2 years I don't think so. The contract voids, but I'm pretty sure the voided years can be bought back. The fifth year can be bought back for around $5M. The sixth year was for a ton of money based on some crazy analysis. He won't just walk after four. Depending on the new CBA (if there is one) even the $10-13M of year six may be a bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain_the_foe Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 He will be 31 before the season starts. if so then I'm corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 # 1. BRAD SMITH!!!!! (just kidding. on to the real list) 1 & 2: Leon Washington / Darelle Revis (tie with slight edge to Leon) ** Remember, Leon is the Jets only pure All-Pro player. He is the Jets most explosive player and only dominant player. He has won at least four games the past three years by himself. Off Hand - K.C. 2008 (60 yd TD run), Patriots O.T. game 2008 (kick return for TD and Pass recption for TD) and Miami 2006 (70 Yd game winning screen pass reception.) Just watch the highlights. He can beat you returning kicks and punts, running the ball and catching passes and screens. It's a no-brainer. Revis is dominant...but not as dominant as Leon. 3. Mangold - Probowl player, better than D'Brick at this point. Also, he's young and has MANY years to go. 4. Rhodes - Should have already been 1 or 2 time probowler, but it's a popularity contest. 5. Dustin Keller - Too much upside. He had a fantastic rookie year last year and was just scratching the surface. Teams around the league would all go crazy for this guy right now. He's our best receiver and tight end (non-blocking). Will be a multi-year probowl player. Guaranteed to go higher than 30th overall if the draft were done over. 6. Faneca - Pro Bowler about a billion times. Second Best Lineman on team after Mangold. 7. D'brick. (combination of youth, potential and current abilities) 8. Bart Scott 9. Cotchery (combination of youth, potential and current abilities) 10. Harris (combination of youth, potential and current abilities) **Kris Jenkins is off the list because of his age and (IMO) inability to last an entire season. If he can make it the whole way this year, great! I hope he proves me wrong. But at his age and dramatic drop off in performance/ability last year...I don't see his demand being that high. He has had multiple injuries in the past as well. Also, he seems to be a split personality and takes many plays off (likely from Fatigue, but I don't care). I loved the guy (just as I loved Favre against my better judgement) until week 11! **TJ - Great work ethic and attitude. Just not that talented. He was running behind an elite O-line and with Favre behind center. Give me Leon and Any decent rookie or vet role player and we will dominate the run game. *Gholston, Pace, BT, Lito....uhhhh show me something and check back next year. man you homers who think our o-line is elite are something else. our o-line is above-average....nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Good luck finding another 25 year old LT as good to replace him. For his age/ability I'd say if there was an open draft with the total pool of players available to be drafted there would maybe be only 2 or 3 LT's taken before him. Are you saying that he's the thrid or fourth best LT in the NFL? Okay... All I'm saying is that I'm willing to listen to offers if there are NFL execs who feel the same way. man you homers who think our o-line is elite are something else. our o-line is above-average....nothing else. +1 It's a good group, not elite. Pass protection could be better, and you can't run to the left behind them. I mean on a critical third & 1: Do you trust this unit to get that yard for you, or are you going to the air? I'm definitely thinking play action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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