TheMacExchange Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/13/rams-release-wr-holt/ Rams part ways with WR Holt Posted: News | Steve Wyche | Tags: St. Louis Rams, Torry Holt Torry Holt The St. Louis Rams have released veteran wide receiver Torry Holt, in a move that was expected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 So are we gonna sign him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Too bad the Jets are stupid and will not pursue him. No, instead we're going to bank 110% on a draft pick instead of bringing in Holt AND taking someone at 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiF Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Sign this beast!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Too bad the Jets are stupid and will not pursue him. No, instead we're going to bank 110% on a draft pick instead of bringing in Holt AND taking someone at 17. Your back at this again? Now the JETS are stupid again? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Your back at this again? Now the JETS are stupid again? lol Only for not pursuing Holt. I'm sorry that I'm not 110% in love with the Jets moves until they lose (like you) and then 110% hate every single thing they do once they lose two or three in a row (like you). I like some, I hate some. Them not going after Holt would be one of the moves I would absolutely hate. Scott? Awesome Leonhard? Even better Cut Moore? Stupid Resign Moore? Great Resign Richardson? Awesome Don't pursure Garcia, Leftwich? Stupid Don't pursure Galloway, Holt? Stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Only for not pursuing Holt. I'm sorry that I'm not 110% in love with the Jets moves until they lose (like you) and then 110% hate every single thing they do once they lose two or three in a row (like you). I like some, I hate some. Them not going after Holt would be one of the moves I would absolutely hate. Scott? Awesome Leonhard? Even better Cut Moore? Stupid Resign Moore? Great Resign Richardson? Awesome Don't pursure Garcia, Leftwich? Stupid Don't pursure Galloway, Holt? Stupid Your own reactions should help you understand the ones you do not like... they had a reason to cut Moore... and it worked out fine... They have a reason to keep 3 young QB's... and it will work out... By bringing in an old man who wants to start you automatically kill off one of the 3 young guns... and most likely put the other one or even 2 on the bench before they have a chance to shine... Same thing with WR... I wouldnt mind seeing Holt... but I can understand why if they like the young guys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Thats fine if this team wasn't built to win now with veterans in their late 20's and early 30's. They need answers NOW. They don't need question marks and what ifs because the majority of the time those what ifs and question marks never pan out. By bringing in Garcia for one year it does nothing to Clemens or Ratliff, they're both very young. By drafting someone at 17 you hope that they are one of the rare WR's who contributes in his rookie season. There is no problem at all in signing Garcia to a 1, 2 year deal and Holt to a 3 year deal. None. If Ratliff or Clemens is better than Garcia thats a GOOD THING, and they would start over him with him providing veteran depth. Same goes for the 17th overall, if he's better than Holt, Holt still provides veteran experience and depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Thats fine if this team wasn't built to win now with veterans in their late 20's and early 30's. They need answers NOW. They don't need question marks and what ifs because the majority of the time those what ifs and question marks never pan out. By bringing in Garcia for one year it does nothing to Clemens or Ratliff, they're both very young. By drafting someone at 17 you hope that they are one of the rare WR's who contributes in his rookie season. There is no problem at all in signing Garcia to a 1, 2 year deal and Holt to a 3 year deal. None. If Ratliff or Clemens is better than Garcia thats a GOOD THING, and they would start over him with him providing veteran depth. Same goes for the 17th overall, if he's better than Holt, Holt still provides veteran experience and depth. The problem is that they wont come here if they are not promised starting spots... no way Garcia comes to be judged by a rookie HC... same goes for Holt.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Thats fine if this team wasn't built to win now with veterans in their late 20's and early 30's. They need answers NOW. They don't need question marks and what ifs because the majority of the time those what ifs and question marks never pan out. By bringing in Garcia for one year it does nothing to Clemens or Ratliff, they're both very young. By drafting someone at 17 you hope that they are one of the rare WR's who contributes in his rookie season. There is no problem at all in signing Garcia to a 1, 2 year deal and Holt to a 3 year deal. None. If Ratliff or Clemens is better than Garcia thats a GOOD THING, and they would start over him with him providing veteran depth. Same goes for the 17th overall, if he's better than Holt, Holt still provides veteran experience and depth. You think we win the superbowl with Garcia and Holt? you think these over the hill and expensive has beens are gonna put us over the top? You're delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 You think we win the superbowl with Garcia and Holt? you think these over the hill and expensive has beens are gonna put us over the top? You're delusional. In the NFL... speed and youth wins it all... almost every time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 You think we win the superbowl with Garcia and Holt? you think these over the hill and expensive has beens are gonna put us over the top? You're delusional. We don't need a super star at QB, we need a game manager. Jeff Garcia can do that and has done that many times effectively before. Tory Holt is not over the hill, he was on a garbage time with zero Offensive Line and once the OLine goes down hill, so does the QB and the passing game meaning the recievers numbers are going to go down. He is still a #1 WR in this league. Is he Top 5 like he once was? Nope, but he's still a #1 and a major upgrade over anything we've had here in YEARS. Look how far Baltimore got last year with Joe Flacco mananging the offense. Take a look at that offense and how our offense would look like with Tory Holt and get back to me on who has the better offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 2008 Baltimore QB ~ Joe Flacco RB1 ~ Willis McGahee RB2 ~ LeRon McClain FB ~ Lorenzo Neal WR1 ~ Derrick Mason WR2 ~ Mark Clayton WR3 ~ Yamon Figurs TE ~ Todd Heap LT ~ Jared Gaither LG ~ Ben Grubbs C ~ Jason Brown RG ~ Chris Cooper (I believe I have the 1st name right) RT ~ Willie Anderson OR 2009 New York Jets -- with Holt QB ~ Kellen Clemens / Brett Ratliff RB1 ~ Thomas Jones RB2 ~ Leon Washington FB ~ Tony Richardson WR1 ~ Tory Holt WR2 ~ Jerricho Cotchery WR3 ~ Chansi Stuckey TE ~ Dustin Keller LT ~ D'Brickashaw Ferguson LG ~ Alan Faneca C ~ Nick Mangold RG ~ Brandon Moore RT ~ Damien Woody Flacco was a "big name" because he was a 1st round pick, but take at look at his numbers -- actually if you want to judge correctly take a look at Baltimore games, especially playoff games, and see how they won and how much he actually did. He game managed to the extreme. Thats all we need from KC or BR, if we can get that, we can win and compete for a title. But we need a #1 WR to rely on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 124... like I said... I would not midn the move... but I can understand if they dont do it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbia Jet Fan Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Would like to bring him in and draft a rookie but don't see it happening.... Would hope we could do a 2 year deal or something but don't think its gonna happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norway'sWaddlingMarmaloof Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 You think we win the superbowl with Garcia and Holt? you think these over the hill and expensive has beens are gonna put us over the top? You're delusional. + 1,117 If only the Jets weren't so danged stupid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Holt would help... but at what cost? he would just get in the way of a young WR... then your back to square one again in a year or two... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Holt would help... but at what cost? he would just get in the way of a young WR... then your back to square one again in a year or two... Must be because most Rookie WRs have instant and great success in this league..oh wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Must be because most Rookie WRs have instant and great success in this league..oh wait. Oh Bull****... all of these guys made instant impacts on offense... 2008 2nd round Donnie Avery - 674 yards Eddie Royal - 980 yards DeSean Jackson - 912 yards 2007 1st round Calvin Johnson - 756 yards Tedd Ginn - 420 yards Dwayne Bowe - 995 yards Anthony Gonzalez - 576 yards 2006 1st round Santonio Holmes - 824 yards 2nd round Gregg Jennings - 632 yards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 In the NFL... speed and youth wins it all... almost every time... Yet you prefer Nicks at WR because 40 times don't matter. They also don't lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Yet you prefer Nicks at WR because 40 times don't matter. They also don't lie. They dont lie... and they dont matter... 40 yards means nothing... how fast can you get off the line with a hadn in your chest pads??? Thats what matters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 They dont lie... and they dont matter... 40 yards means nothing... how fast can you get off the line with a hadn in your chest pads??? Thats what matters... side to side and cuttin ability is more important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 side to side and cuttin ability is more important and the ability to translate that ability into routes... all of which Hicks is good at... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 and the ability to translate that ability into routes... all of which Hicks is good at... Maybe I'll pay attention to you when you learn his name. For all the chatter about the 40 being meaningless, the fact is that fast is fast. I think it's fairly rare that a player has a 40 time that doesn't correllate to his shuttle times. Also, WR run close to 40 yards on a fairly regular basis. Nicks is fast enough that there is no question he can be a top WR. The size of his hands are what make him a good prospect from the numbers. OTOH, I think I'd prefer more of a home run hitter, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 It would be great to pick Holt up and a rookie via draft either round 1 or 2. He can tutor him and our young guys. I think Holt would be a great pick up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 It would be great to pick Holt up and a rookie via draft either round 1 or 2. He can tutor him and our young guys. I think Holt would be a great pick up. You shoot yourself in the foot before you type... "kobe>Jordan" Nobody can trust what you say... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 If you don't talk to Holt you aren't doing your job. I'm not saying sign him. I'm saying talk to him and see what he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 If you don't talk to Holt you aren't doing your job. I'm not saying sign him. I'm saying talk to him and see what he wants. Exactly. At least reach out and talk to him and his agent instead of just coming out with reports that "we are not interested". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 If you don't talk to Holt you aren't doing your job. I'm not saying sign him. I'm saying talk to him and see what he wants. I'm sure his agent has already called everyone... heck he most likely did "quietly" before they released him... Problem is... Coles set the bar way to high for old WR's with his silly contract,... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Exactly. At least reach out and talk to him and his agent instead of just coming out with reports that "we are not interested". Those reports most likely stem from the "insider"(office help who rats out Tanny) hearing Tanny scream at Holt's agent over the phone... "you want $xxx?!?!?!?" "GFY!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 In the NFL... speed and youth wins it all... almost every time... that statement could not be any more wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 that statement could not be any more wrong Really? Keep in mind we are talking about offense here... not defense... Even so... point out an old slow team that won it all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Really? Keep in mind we are talking about offense here... not defense... Even so... point out an old slow team that won it all? the point is not on bieng slow einstein. you can't play in the nfl if your slow, in your case that would be a two'fer my point is on age, and not to mention that in almost every offense in the nfl majority of the players are slow QB,OL,FB,TE. only WRs and RBs are fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 the point is not on bieng slow einstein. you can't play in the nfl if your slow, in your case that would be a two'fer my point is on age, and not to mention that in almost every offense in the nfl majority of the players are slow QB,OL,FB,TE. only WRs and RBs are fast Of course the big guys are gonna be "slow" duh! Look at the skill positions though... youth and speed are the key... not old and lost a step... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Of course the big guys are gonna be "slow" duh! Look at the skill positions though... youth and speed are the key... not old and lost a step... Yeah. Imagine if you had Derrick Mason as your #1 WR. Damn, that would suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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