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Are you f*ing kidding me??? Everyone is clamoring for the Jets to spend spend spend to get every FA (Matt Jones? Really?) and shop the biggest offer out there to get Jay Cutler.

You are missing the boat entirely. You get good by making good business decisions. You target your specific FA spends and lay out a plan for the offseason. Jets did that in Scott and Leonard and trading a low level pick and (what I hope is a NLTBE) incentive clause surroung next years pick for Lito.

Seeing every Matt, Jay and Torry and crying to everyone who will listen is not good strategy for the Jets to go out and basically mortgage their entire future on expiring, coked up or cancerous talent.

Instead how about staying the course and drafting BPA and getting an impactful player in the draft. How about doing that next year too. Also how about actually DEVELOPING, for once, the talent you have and not forcing yourself to go out the market to overpay for someone elses garbage.

What you don't need to do is deal a package to Denver that will make their Jaw drop and put the Jets future solely in the hands of a egomaniacal, selfish, arrogant jagoff that will get absolutely crucified in NYC. Not by the media, but by the fans who are now calling for him to be their savior. When this guy throws a multi pick game and then comes off smarmy and ****y to the media afterwards, let's see how many of you are still in his corner. When the media questions him about his decision making and he scoffs them off with the "You're so smart, you tell me how to play QB" answer after blowing a big game, you will be kicking yourself for paying 2 1st round draft picks and claiming the FO is so stupid for doing that because everybody knows that draft picks are the lifeblood of any good organization.

You also need to laugh off the idea of getting Matt Jones entirely. No sorry, we don't need a coked up washout who is already in the NFL abuse program. And unless Torry holt throws us a bone and plays for the vet minimum, we don't need to have him in here hindering the development of our young players.

Now the concept of a falling QB in Sanchez or Josh Freeman is going to be the hot topic next week about how the JETS absoultely positively NEED to go get one of them in the draft because they will be our savior. Meanwhile neither of them are elite QB prospects and we are making them out to be more than they are because they can potential be on the board for us in a very weak QB class. (Remember Alex Smith's year? Yeah every QB class is not created equal.)

Maybe we should be pulling for the FO to show some intelligence and business savvy and stick to a LONG TERM plan and not look to placate the NY Post and all of the mouth breathing imbeciles reading their garbage and then regurgitating it all over the AM airwaves for once.

Yes consider Cutler, if the relationship b/w Denver and him falls apart and the situation gets out of hand and the asking cost drops significantly, you make them an offer to take advantage of the situation. You don't go over there with your pants down grasping your ankles. Offering them any package of picks for their problem child is doing exactly that.

Do things intelligently and in the best interest of the franchise. No more knee jerk idiotic moves that have defined and defiled this franchise for decades.

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Great effort, problem is, we are not the Steelers.

So then we hould just accept playing the part of perennial losers? Let's jump at the chance to overpay and get bent over for other peoples problems?

No thanks. I'd rather see a FO decide to take one step back short term to be a stronger program in the future and a sustainable one.

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So then we hould just accept playing the part of perennial losers? Let's jump at the chance to overpay and get bent over for other peoples problems?

No thanks. I'd rather see a FO decide to take one step back short term to be a stronger program in the future and a sustainable one.

I hear ya and I agree with almost everything you posted.

Its just easier said than done.

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Fine than consider yourself part of the classification of "no one". :rim:

Maybe you should read the thread before making outrageous statements. This is a pretty educated group of posters here and I am sure they are aware of the best way to build a team as your post correctly points out for the most part. The Jones statement though is not backed at all by what has been posted here.... a few people want him on the cheap while others want nothing to do with him.

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It starts with an strong FO and an intelligent fanbase who understands it's not a quick fix scenario every offseason.

Are you part of the intelligent fanbase that can make the Jets a winner?

If so, when will you smarties start making a difference in wins / losses :yawn:

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It starts with an strong FO and an intelligent fanbase who understands it's not a quick fix scenario every offseason.

An "intelligent fanbase"....really? LOL ...that has absolutely nothing to do with the sucess of a team.

Have you ever met any Steelers or Pats fans?

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An "intelligent fanbase"....really? LOL ...that has absolutely nothing to do with the sucess of a team.

Have you ever met any Steelers or Pats fans?

LOL. True, but I think it does matters. If the fanbase isn't buying the garbage they are selling, the team is forced to adjust their business model - assuming your owner is someone with half a brain.

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Are you f*ing kidding me??? Everyone is clamoring for the Jets to spend spend spend to get every FA (Matt Jones? Really?) and shop the biggest offer out there to get Jay Cutler.

You are missing the boat entirely. You get good by making good business decisions. You target your specific FA spends and lay out a plan for the offseason. Jets did that in Scott and Leonard and trading a low level pick and (what I hope is a NLTBE) incentive clause surroung next years pick for Lito.

Seeing every Matt, Jay and Torry and crying to everyone who will listen is not good strategy for the Jets to go out and basically mortgage their entire future on expiring, coked up or cancerous talent.

Instead how about staying the course and drafting BPA and getting an impactful player in the draft. How about doing that next year too. Also how about actually DEVELOPING, for once, the talent you have and not forcing yourself to go out the market to overpay for someone elses garbage.

What you don't need to do is deal a package to Denver that will make their Jaw drop and put the Jets future solely in the hands of a egomaniacal, selfish, arrogant jagoff that will get absolutely crucified in NYC. Not by the media, but by the fans who are now calling for him to be their savior. When this guy throws a multi pick game and then comes off smarmy and ****y to the media afterwards, let's see how many of you are still in his corner. When the media questions him about his decision making and he scoffs them off with the "You're so smart, you tell me how to play QB" answer after blowing a big game, you will be kicking yourself for paying 2 1st round draft picks and claiming the FO is so stupid for doing that because everybody knows that draft picks are the lifeblood of any good organization.

You also need to laugh off the idea of getting Matt Jones entirely. No sorry, we don't need a coked up washout who is already in the NFL abuse program. And unless Torry holt throws us a bone and plays for the vet minimum, we don't need to have him in here hindering the development of our young players.

Now the concept of a falling QB in Sanchez or Josh Freeman is going to be the hot topic next week about how the JETS absoultely positively NEED to go get one of them in the draft because they will be our savior. Meanwhile neither of them are elite QB prospects and we are making them out to be more than they are because they can potential be on the board for us in a very weak QB class. (Remember Alex Smith's year? Yeah every QB class is not created equal.)

Maybe we should be pulling for the FO to show some intelligence and business savvy and stick to a LONG TERM plan and not look to placate the NY Post and all of the mouth breathing imbeciles reading their garbage and then regurgitating it all over the AM airwaves for once.

Yes consider Cutler, if the relationship b/w Denver and him falls apart and the situation gets out of hand and the asking cost drops significantly, you make them an offer to take advantage of the situation. You don't go over there with your pants down grasping your ankles. Offering them any package of picks for their problem child is doing exactly that.

Do things intelligently and in the best interest of the franchise. No more knee jerk idiotic moves that have defined and defiled this franchise for decades.

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Whatcha talkin bout, Willis?

If you are criticizing the fanbase and the media ... fine. But what does that have to do with what the Jets organization is going to do?

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An "intelligent fanbase"....really? LOL ...that has absolutely nothing to do with the sucess of a team.

Have you ever met any Steelers or Pats fans?

Yep, LOL at "intelligent fanbase" contention.

It's like when fans say, "let's not get ahead of ourselves ..." or "let's take it one game at a time" as if the fans have an impact on the mindset of the players and FO.

By many accounts, Detriot Lions fans are a very knowledgeable fanbase. How has that helped the team win?

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LOL. True, but I think it does matters. If the fanbase isn't buying the garbage they are selling, the team is forced to adjust their business model - assuming your owner is someone with half a brain.

Uhm ... no.

Most NFL teams have season sellouts. All NFL teams share in the billion dollar television deals. Fans have no impact on causing teams to change their business model.

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So intelligent they buy a ticket to go to the game in protest.

Vote with your dollars. Only way you will be heard.

Then there is no such thing as an intelligent NFL fanbase based under your criteria because no fanbase has done that.

Fans will never be heard in the NFL because of revenue sharing deals and the TV deal and the season sellouts.

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Are you f*ing kidding me??? Everyone is clamoring for the Jets to spend spend spend to get every FA (Matt Jones? Really?) and shop the biggest offer out there to get Jay Cutler.

You are missing the boat entirely. You get good by making good business decisions. You target your specific FA spends and lay out a plan for the offseason. Jets did that in Scott and Leonard and trading a low level pick and (what I hope is a NLTBE) incentive clause surroung next years pick for Lito.

Seeing every Matt, Jay and Torry and crying to everyone who will listen is not good strategy for the Jets to go out and basically mortgage their entire future on expiring, coked up or cancerous talent.

Instead how about staying the course and drafting BPA and getting an impactful player in the draft. How about doing that next year too. Also how about actually DEVELOPING, for once, the talent you have and not forcing yourself to go out the market to overpay for someone elses garbage.

What you don't need to do is deal a package to Denver that will make their Jaw drop and put the Jets future solely in the hands of a egomaniacal, selfish, arrogant jagoff that will get absolutely crucified in NYC. Not by the media, but by the fans who are now calling for him to be their savior. When this guy throws a multi pick game and then comes off smarmy and ****y to the media afterwards, let's see how many of you are still in his corner. When the media questions him about his decision making and he scoffs them off with the "You're so smart, you tell me how to play QB" answer after blowing a big game, you will be kicking yourself for paying 2 1st round draft picks and claiming the FO is so stupid for doing that because everybody knows that draft picks are the lifeblood of any good organization.

You also need to laugh off the idea of getting Matt Jones entirely. No sorry, we don't need a coked up washout who is already in the NFL abuse program. And unless Torry holt throws us a bone and plays for the vet minimum, we don't need to have him in here hindering the development of our young players.

Now the concept of a falling QB in Sanchez or Josh Freeman is going to be the hot topic next week about how the JETS absoultely positively NEED to go get one of them in the draft because they will be our savior. Meanwhile neither of them are elite QB prospects and we are making them out to be more than they are because they can potential be on the board for us in a very weak QB class. (Remember Alex Smith's year? Yeah every QB class is not created equal.)

Maybe we should be pulling for the FO to show some intelligence and business savvy and stick to a LONG TERM plan and not look to placate the NY Post and all of the mouth breathing imbeciles reading their garbage and then regurgitating it all over the AM airwaves for once.

Yes consider Cutler, if the relationship b/w Denver and him falls apart and the situation gets out of hand and the asking cost drops significantly, you make them an offer to take advantage of the situation. You don't go over there with your pants down grasping your ankles. Offering them any package of picks for their problem child is doing exactly that.

Do things intelligently and in the best interest of the franchise. No more knee jerk idiotic moves that have defined and defiled this franchise for decades.

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your the stupid one..... yeah get an impact player in the draft...like vernon gholsten... I want a player that is laready a proven talent..and lock up a young qb for the next 10 years... we seem to always have needed a qb.... you give away the farm for cutler... if u need too...

2 first round picks can get it done..

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your the stupid one..... yeah get an impact player in the draft...like vernon gholsten... I want a player that is laready a proven talent..and lock up a young qb for the next 10 years... we seem to always have needed a qb.... you give away the farm for cutler... if u need too...

2 first round picks can get it done..

Exactly. Look at how many 1st round QBs have been busts or mediocre. An already proven franchise QB who is still young? You give away the farm including that cute lamb who has been playing hard to get.

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Exactly. Look at how many 1st round QBs have been busts or mediocre. An already proven franchise QB who is still young? You give away the farm including that cute lamb who has been playing hard to get.

And what happens 2 years from now when you don't have any semblance of a DLine and a gaping hole again at LG and RT and still no #1 WR. Do we then bet the farm again for someone elses garbage yet again. Maybe we can give our #1 for Roy Williams on his second go around? And spend top dollar again on guys deemed not good enough to resign from their old team on our Oline. And we can have a good offense but no defense. And we can load up the Dline with 5th and 6th round picks and hope that they can deliver us a SB.

It's a cyclical problem to ship off your picks for other teams players. And Jay Cutler is definitely not the type of leader you go put yourself in that hole for. So far he's still lost more than he's won, INTs on the uptick, has diabetes which could shorten his career, and a massive ego to get in the way of being a good leader and captain.

Denver and he keep going down this path and he's available for a 2nd round pick, then yeah go nuts. But getting raped by Denver for a strong armed douchebag that hates his coach and took it public doesn't seem to make good business sense.

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jay cutler isn't just someone ele's garbage though. he's a young franchise caliber quarterback, who could be a fixture behind center for any team for the next 10 years.

He's not proven, he could be a franchise QB. He could also continue to be a cancer and set the team back after we paid the premium for the opportunity.

Make the price realistic for a guy with Diabetes, who has a losing record and is throwing INTs more and mroe recently. He seems to throw the ball into triple coverage with regularity and has the Favre mentality of "hitting on 20" (thx Eric). So yeah, conifdence is good, arrogance is not. I'll offer this guy for a 2nd rounder and another lower pick next year. Fine with taking the risk on him cause the upside is there, but so is the chance for massive failure.

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And what happens 2 years from now when you don't have any semblance of a DLine and a gaping hole again at LG and RT and still no #1 WR. Do we then bet the farm again for someone elses garbage yet again. Maybe we can give our #1 for Roy Williams on his second go around? And spend top dollar again on guys deemed not good enough to resign from their old team on our Oline. And we can have a good offense but no defense. And we can load up the Dline with 5th and 6th round picks and hope that they can deliver us a SB.

It's a cyclical problem to ship off your picks for other teams players. And Jay Cutler is definitely not the type of leader you go put yourself in that hole for. So far he's still lost more than he's won, INTs on the uptick, has diabetes which could shorten his career, and a massive ego to get in the way of being a good leader and captain.

Denver and he keep going down this path and he's available for a 2nd round pick, then yeah go nuts. But getting raped by Denver for a strong armed douchebag that hates his coach and took it public doesn't seem to make good business sense.

This Jets team with a Jay Cutler - good chance for a SB. The Jets are a win now team without a proven QB. If you have the chance to get a Cutler, you do it. And of course you try to negotiate to give up as little as you have to. But in this case, and in the Jets situation, I would have no problem if they end up giving up a lot. I don't care about 2 years from now. It is all about the championship.

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