BroadwayJoe12 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2408 Thomas Jones did not show up to the first day of Jets offseason conditioning. According to the NY Daily News, Jones is "believed" to want a new contract. It isn't surprising if he does. Jones led the AFC in rushing last season and has only two years left on his deal, with just a $900K salary in '09. Jones turns 31 in August, though, and the Jets are more likely to extend Leon Washington. They could also draft Jones' eventual replacement in April. Source: New York Daily News Not at all surprising, but fairly aggravating nonetheless. I'm never one for giving a new contract to players on the wrong side of 30, especially RBs. Granted he has less wear on his tires than most backs his age, but I don't see the smarts in extending him at least until we give Leon a new contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Not at all surprising, but fairly aggravating nonetheless. I'm never one for giving a new contract to players on the wrong side of 30, especially RBs. Granted he has less wear on his tires than most backs his age, but I don't see the smarts in extending him at least until we give Leon a new contract. If he forces the Jets' hand, he could wind up on the bench earning that same $900K, with little opportunity to make more in 2010. Another big year this season could get him one last decent payday, though. This doesn't seem smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 1. I can understand Jones wanting a new contract (although I don't agree with it) 2. Jones really doesn't need the voluntary offseason conditioning program because he'll still be the most fit player on the team when mandatory workouts begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebabyny Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2408 Thomas Jones did not show up to the first day of Jets offseason conditioning. According to the NY Daily News, Jones is "believed" to want a new contract. It isn't surprising if he does. Jones led the AFC in rushing last season and has only two years left on his deal, with just a $900K salary in '09. Jones turns 31 in August, though, and the Jets are more likely to extend Leon Washington. They could also draft Jones' eventual replacement in April. Source: New York Daily News Not at all surprising, but fairly aggravating nonetheless. I'm never one for giving a new contract to players on the wrong side of 30, especially RBs. Granted he has less wear on his tires than most backs his age, but I don't see the smarts in extending him at least until we give Leon a new contract. dumbass, baker did this right before the draft last year and what did the jets do? Traded up and drafted his replacement. Sorry TJ, but if you are going to pull this than extend leon, trade Jones, and pick up an rb, this draft is full of them this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebabyny Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 1. I can understand Jones wanting a new contract (although I don't agree with it) 2. Jones really doesn't need the voluntary offseason conditioning program because he'll still be the most fit player on the team when mandatory workouts begin. Whatever, he had a great year in 08, but let's talk about 07, did he give the jets any money back after that travesty of a year? Let him run his mouth and he can play for cinci, good luck with that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 1. I can understand Jones wanting a new contract (although I don't agree with it) 2. Jones really doesn't need the voluntary offseason conditioning program because he'll still be the most fit player on the team when mandatory workouts begin. Exactly and the way this has played out, I see no reason to criticize the guy. Hell, anything regarding him even wanting a new contract is 100% speculation at this point. Even if true, he hasn't opened his mouth and said a single peep about a new contract at any point. So far, all he's done is not show up on time for voluntary workouts. Until there's anything more to it than that, I think this is a non-issue. The guys a quality veteran player who's always been in tip top shape. His presence there is the least of the Jets issues right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebabyny Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Exactly and the way this has played out, I see no reason to criticize the guy. Hell, anything regarding him even wanting a new contract is 100% speculation at this point. Even if true, he hasn't opened his mouth and said a single peep about a new contract at any point. So far, all he's done is not show up on time for voluntary workouts. Until there's anything more to it than that, I think this is a non-issue. The guys a quality veteran player who's always been in tip top shape. His presence there is the least of the Jets issues right now. Yeah, but it would have been a good move to be there being that there is a new coach and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2408 Thomas Jones did not show up to the first day of Jets offseason conditioning. According to the NY Daily News, Jones is "believed" to want a new contract. It isn't surprising if he does. Jones led the AFC in rushing last season and has only two years left on his deal, with just a $900K salary in '09. Jones turns 31 in August, though, and the Jets are more likely to extend Leon Washington. They could also draft Jones' eventual replacement in April. Source: New York Daily News Not at all surprising, but fairly aggravating nonetheless. I'm never one for giving a new contract to players on the wrong side of 30, especially RBs. Granted he has less wear on his tires than most backs his age, but I don't see the smarts in extending him at least until we give Leon a new contract. HERE WE GO, it figures. ONE GOOD year, now he wants his money. I was just starting to like him. I was willing to put his mediocre career behind him just for what he did for us last year and he blew it. Screw him. If wants to hold out, let him, let him EARN his money. Two good years in a row. If we give him his $ now, you could forget it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Sucks anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Never a favorite player of mine. I wouldn't mind seeing him leave as long as we can replace him. Is Derek Ward still on our practice squad? He could be good some day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Pay the man. He is worth it, unlike Concussion Coles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistalava Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Oh, *hell* no! Trade his ass to the Cardinals as part of a package for Boldin and pick up a RB in the draft. His performance was juiced with the much improved OL. With a go-to WR in the fold, I would not mind burning a pick on the best available RB somewhere in the first/early second (if we trade down and get more picks). Give Leon the ball! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I'm perfectly fine with a new contract for Thomas Jones. Just as long as it's offered by one of the 31 other teams that aren't the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 You should never offer an older running back a new contract. Just ask the Seattle Seahawks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 FWIW A lot of RB's have their own programs (Curtis did) and dont show up for this very early offseason stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 dumbass, baker did this right before the draft last year and what did the jets do? Traded up and drafted his replacement. Sorry TJ, but if you are going to pull this than extend leon, trade Jones, and pick up an rb, this draft is full of them this year. Agreed. TJ, you are good, but not that good. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Ridiculous. The only thing that made his contract palatable is the cheap 2009 salary & cap number. I didn't see him offer to give any money back after his 2007 season when he got paid $9M. That's the thing with his salary. He was pre-paid for this season. If the Jets had it in mind to pay him $13M for 2007-2008 and then give him a new contract, then we would have offered that. We offered him a contract, that he signed, that paid $9M after year 1, $13M total by year 2's end, and $14M by year 3's end. Given his body of work from 2006 and prior, and given his age, that was pretty damn good compensation. If his attitude now is "I'll take those first 2 years & then hold out" he can eff-off. His salary is cheap enough that he can be kept unused for '09 and then released. He really has very little leverage & I hope Tannenbaum realizes this. We'll see if this alleged story has any teeth (that the reason he's not there is totally because of his contract instead of a desire to just work out on his own & not attend non-mandatory team conditioning program in the off-season). Of all the criticisms of Thomas Jones, his conditioning was not among them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Ridiculous. The only thing that made his contract palatable is the cheap 2009 salary & cap number. I didn't see him offer to give any money back after his 2007 season when he got paid $9M. That's the thing with his salary. He was pre-paid for this season. If the Jets had it in mind to pay him $13M for 2007-2008 and then give him a new contract, then we would have offered that. We offered him a contract, that he signed, that paid $9M after year 1, $13M total by year 2's end, and $14M by year 3's end. Given his body of work from 2006 and prior, and given his age, that was pretty damn good compensation. If his attitude now is "I'll take those first 2 years & then hold out" he can eff-off. His salary is cheap enough that he can be kept unused for '09 and then released. He really has very little leverage & I hope Tannenbaum realizes this. We'll see if this alleged story has any teeth (that the reason he's not there is totally because of his contract instead of a desire to just work out on his own & not attend non-mandatory team conditioning program in the off-season). Of all the criticisms of Thomas Jones, his conditioning was not among them. Exactly. If this turns into a legit holdout I will gladly criticize the guy, but at this point I'm not ready to buy into it. Even if he is hoping for a new contract, it doesn't mean he'll hold out or do anything beyond skipping a voluntary workout. If it comes to that its a whole other issue, but until then I'm willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 goodbye thomas jones hello knowshon moreno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damaged89 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I really can't wait until we replace him with someone who can actually break tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebabyny Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Ridiculous. The only thing that made his contract palatable is the cheap 2009 salary & cap number. I didn't see him offer to give any money back after his 2007 season when he got paid $9M. That's the thing with his salary. He was pre-paid for this season. If the Jets had it in mind to pay him $13M for 2007-2008 and then give him a new contract, then we would have offered that. We offered him a contract, that he signed, that paid $9M after year 1, $13M total by year 2's end, and $14M by year 3's end. Given his body of work from 2006 and prior, and given his age, that was pretty damn good compensation. If his attitude now is "I'll take those first 2 years & then hold out" he can eff-off. His salary is cheap enough that he can be kept unused for '09 and then released. He really has very little leverage & I hope Tannenbaum realizes this. We'll see if this alleged story has any teeth (that the reason he's not there is totally because of his contract instead of a desire to just work out on his own & not attend non-mandatory team conditioning program in the off-season). Of all the criticisms of Thomas Jones, his conditioning was not among them. Correct me if i am wrong, but either in 07 or 08 didn't he start off the year slow due to a preseason injury? A lot of these guys do their own thing in the pre season and end up starting off slow due to injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Correct me if i am wrong, but either in 07 or 08 didn't he start off the year slow due to a preseason injury? A lot of these guys do their own thing in the pre season and end up starting off slow due to injuries. Thomas Jones was not and is not worth $6-7M per year. It was borderline that he was worth the pick we gave up to get him plus $20M over 4 years. Since roughly $6M of that $20M is in 2010 salary/RB when he's 32 years old, his current contract was effectively for 3 years/$12.6M and a 4th year dead cap hit of $1.5M, which is/was fine. But if he gets new money at age 31 then it's dumb. You can let a difference-maker RB count $6-7M on your cap. And while he's solid, Jones is just not a difference-maker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetkid94 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Thomas Jones was not and is not worth $6-7M per year. It was borderline that he was worth the pick we gave up to get him plus $20M over 4 years. Since roughly $6M of that $20M is in 2010 salary/RB when he's 32 years old, his current contract was effectively for 3 years/$12.6M and a 4th year dead cap hit of $1.5M, which is/was fine. But if he gets new money at age 31 then it's dumb. You can let a difference-maker RB count $6-7M on your cap. And while he's solid, Jones is just not a difference-maker. I dont get it. how is he not a difference-maker if he lead the AFC in rushing?????? what makes you guys think he cant have another couple good seasons? we have the same line as last year, plus we will be running more this season. and a lot of us complained when he didnt get carries last year. when that happens it means hes a difference-maker and now everyone is just forgetting that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Damn 30+ RBs wanting new contracts... I want him to stay but I do not want him to get a new deal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I dont get it. how is he not a difference-maker if he lead the AFC in rushing?????? what makes you guys think he cant have another couple good seasons? we have the same line as last year, plus we will be running more this season. and a lot of us complained when he didnt get carries last year. when that happens it means hes a difference-maker and now everyone is just forgetting that? Because he's not a better RB than he was a year earlier when he was crap. The line got better. Meaning many non-difference-maker RB's who stayed healthy would have 1200 yards. A difference-maker who only gets yards when there's a nice hole to run through isn't a difference-maker. Now he DID stay healthy and that's why I said he's a solid RB. But he led the AFC in rushing largely because there weren't any dominant RB's in the AFC compared to the NFC who had as many carries as Jones. He had a very good season. But let's not make it out like he was amazing. I actually watched the games. He was not an amazing difference-maker. And he has been paid enough to not deserve a raise in the one year of his contract when his salary is lower than the other three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Because he's not a better RB than he was a year earlier when he was crap. The line got better. Meaning many non-difference-maker RB's who stayed healthy would have 1200 yards. A difference-maker who only gets yards when there's a nice hole to run through isn't a difference-maker. Now he DID stay healthy and that's why I said he's a solid RB. But he led the AFC in rushing largely because there weren't any dominant RB's in the AFC compared to the NFC who had as many carries as Jones. He had a very good season. But let's not make it out like he was amazing. I actually watched the games. He was not an amazing difference-maker. And he has been paid enough to not deserve a raise in the one year of his contract when his salary is lower than the other three. I like posting in threads with you, i can just agree with you rather then take the time to type all that out. Just say no to more guaranteed money for TJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I like posting in threads with you, i can just agree with you rather then take the time to type all that out. Just say no to more guaranteed money for TJ Thats the key... I guess if they really have to... add some incentives... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Thats the key... I guess if they really have to... add some incentives... Absolutely not. The last thing we need is a RB lobbying for more carries to meet incentives. If he's on the active roster all season & post-season & we win a superbowl give him a $3M bonus and a kiss from GOB with tongue. Final offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Absolutely not. The last thing we need is a RB lobbying for more carries to meet incentives. If he's on the active roster all season & post-season & we win a superbowl give him a $3M bonus and a kiss from GOB with tongue. Final offer. LOL! Thats fine with me... if he plays in all 16 games he gets a bonus... this way if he breaks down... he does not cost more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 MORE ON THE THOMAS JONES DEAL Posted by Mike Florio on March 18, 2009, 11:00 a.m. EDT As reported by Rich Cimini of the New York Daily News, Jets running back Thomas Jones is believed to be boycotting offseason workouts because of displeasure with a contract that pays him a base salary of only (only?) $900,000 in 2009. As we pointed out, Jones already has pocketed $13.1 million in the first two years of a four-season deal signed in 2007. So we decided to take a closer look at the deal, in an effort to understand why Jones might be looking for a new contract. Of his four-year, $20 million deal, the remaining $6 million in the comes from a 2009 workout bonus of $100,000 (which he is putting in jeopardy by not working out), a 2010 base salary of $2.8 million, a 2010 workout bonus of $100,000, and a 2010 roster bonus in the amount of $3 million, payable on the fifth day of the league year. But the $5.9 million Jones is due to earn in 2010 carries with it no guarantees. If he tears an ACL in 2009, the Jets simply will cut him before the $3 million payment comes due. Likewise, if the Jets think they Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebabyny Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 MORE ON THE THOMAS JONES DEAL Posted by Mike Florio on March 18, 2009, 11:00 a.m. EDT As reported by Rich Cimini of the New York Daily News, Jets running back Thomas Jones is believed to be boycotting offseason workouts because of displeasure with a contract that pays him a base salary of only (only?) $900,000 in 2009. As we pointed out, Jones already has pocketed $13.1 million in the first two years of a four-season deal signed in 2007. So we decided to take a closer look at the deal, in an effort to understand why Jones might be looking for a new contract. Of his four-year, $20 million deal, the remaining $6 million in the comes from a 2009 workout bonus of $100,000 (which he is putting in jeopardy by not working out), a 2010 base salary of $2.8 million, a 2010 workout bonus of $100,000, and a 2010 roster bonus in the amount of $3 million, payable on the fifth day of the league year. But the $5.9 million Jones is due to earn in 2010 carries with it no guarantees. If he tears an ACL in 2009, the Jets simply will cut him before the $3 million payment comes due. Likewise, if the Jets think they Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Dont let the door hit you on the way out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alk Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Not all that surprising. He's watched the franchise throw money away like it was going out of style with all of these free agents the past two seasons. Can't forget to take care of the guys already in house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Not all that surprising. He's watched the franchise throw money away like it was going out of style with all of these free agents the past two seasons. Can't forget to take care of the guys already in house. He has been more than taken care of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiF Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 See TJ. The market isnt friendly to 30+ Rb's. Plenty of talent in this draft and just look at the success rookie has last year in the NFL. I dont think his agent is giving him the best advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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