SoFlaJets Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 zqf1ut893xE&feature=related I always have to mute the stupid music they play with these videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 He looks great but I just have one problem with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=65150&draftyear=2009&genpos=QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 He looks great but I just have one problem with him. which is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 which is? I'm not racist at all Jim but when was the last time an African-American QB won a SB? I think his name was Williams or something like that. Again, I want this guy. He's more talented then ever and I think he'll be good here. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawngnome o-line Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I'm not gonna lie, he looks pretty damn good. I don't want to draft him at 17, but he definitely looks like he has all the skills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I'm not gonna lie, he looks pretty damn good. I don't want to draft him at 17, but he definitely looks like he has all the skills I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 I'm not racist at all Jim but when was the last time an African-American QB won a SB? I think his name was Williams or something like that. Again, I want this guy. He's more talented then ever and I think he'll be good here. I guess we'll have to wait and see. hey in hindsight, I'm STILL pissed we didn't draft Steve McNair with that same kind of thinking (by me). I think that is a misnomer these days Ghost, I really do...the game has changed a lot from when I was growing up, QB's don't have to think as much. Also, there's a guy who was almost a Rhodes Scholar playing QB for us and he couldn't win squat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 his father Ron played LBer in the USFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 hey in hindsight, I'm STILL pissed we didn't draft Steve McNair with that same kind of thinking (by me). I think that is a misnomer these days Ghost, I really do...the game has changed a lot from when I was growing up, QB's don't have to think as much. Also, there's a guy who was almost a Rhodes Scholar playing QB for us and he couldn't win squat. Yeah I tend to agree but I just thought I'd put it out there. A lot of African-American QBs have never lived up to their expectations, Vince Young is one of them. He had everything, the arm, the legs, absolutely everything. Now, he's playing behind a 54 Year old man. Again, I like Freeman, I hope we do take a deep look at him but I think at 17 would be a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 Yeah I tend to agree but I just thought I'd put it out there. A lot of African-American QBs have never lived up to their expectations, Vince Young is one of them. He had everything, the arm, the legs, absolutely everything. Now, he's playing behind a 54 Year old man. Again, I like Freeman, I hope we do take a deep look at him but I think at 17 would be a bad idea. hey who ever thought an African American could be President? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SMC Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 He started 32 games in college which is the same number of starts for Clemens and Ryan. His career compl. % is kinda low at 59.1, which is a yellow flag. According to reports, Shanny was suppose to have a chalk board session with him on Monday. I wonder how that went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I'm not racist at all Jim but when was the last time an African-American QB won a SB? What's the ratio of black to white QB's in the NFL? Not too many QB's ever get to the Super Bowl, much less win it. From a relatively small field, I'd say McNabb and McNair have done pretty well for themselves on the NFL level. ...the game has changed a lot from when I was growing up, QB's don't have to think as much. Geez... what exactly are you implying here? My concerns about this guy would be the same I'd have for anyone shooting up the charts late: Is he that good, or is there just a run on him because of his ideal size? I'm concerned about the brains of any QB prospect. Tennessee overlooked a terrible Wonderlic score with Young. That was a mistake I'm sure they regret. But I think our new African-American President is a shining example that the ability to think comes in all colors. The Jets really have to investigate him thoroughly if they're really thinking about taking him at #17. Not because he's black, but because he's a junior and his stock is rising late. Junior QB's almost always struggle in the NFL, and late risers often aren't up to the hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alk Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Lets try to keep things in perspective here. That was the vaunted Oklahoma St. defense that "Legend" was shredding there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 What's the ratio of black to white QB's in the NFL? Not too many QB's ever get to the Super Bowl, much less win it. From a relatively small field, I'd say McNabb and McNair have done pretty well for themselves on the NFL level. And I completely agree with you, but none of which have won SBs. McNabb was close and McNair was about a yard shy but each haven't won a SB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alk Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 hey who ever thought an African American could be President? He's half. Now lock this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 He's half. Now lock this. What does that mean? You knew there was never going to be a ful/half African-American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Yeah I tend to agree but I just thought I'd put it out there. A lot of African-American QBs have never lived up to their expectations, Vince Young is one of them. He had everything, the arm, the legs, absolutely everything. Now, he's playing behind a 54 Year old man. Again, I like Freeman, I hope we do take a deep look at him but I think at 17 would be a bad idea. Guys like Young and Vick were not coached to be pro-style QBs in college. They were so superior athletically that they were encouraged to tuck and run rather than go through all the progressions. When they get to the pros they are a bit behind system-wise. And everybody else is faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 He's half. Now lock this. I agree we need more Patriots news to talk about here at JN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alk Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I agree we need more Patriots news to talk about here at JN Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLs StepChild Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Agreed! Nah. That just invites more loser patriot sheeple to chime in. Seems to be a bit of a problem with that here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn31 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I'm a black man who tries his HARDEST to stay away from pulling the race card, but some of the comments that I read at the beginning of this thread are extremely appalling. Black QBs don't win Super Bowls? Well out of all the white starters there have been, only a HANDFUL have ever been to a Super Bowl, much less win one. Considering we didn't start getting legit and consistent opportunities to be starters until well into the Super Bowl era, well you do the math. Not too mention that for far too long, many high school and college coaches took young black QBs and decided to use them as an "athlete" instead of grooming them to be QBs at the next level. They were confined to option systems, half read systems, anything but pro-style systems. And why? Because they could run a little faster or were a little more athletic than their white couterparts? Or was it because the powers that be felt, like someone stated, that black QBs aren't smart enough to run a full read system? And what is that supposed to mean, that current QBs "don't have to be as smart"? Is that why more recent black QBs like McNair and McNabb have been successful? I got news for ya'll: As NFL defenses get more complex, so do the offenses, and therefore, so do the QBs reads. It's funny that a pocket passer like Moon, when finally given a chance, was able to be successful, and I know he never even got to a SB, but again, how many (especially 20 years ago) got the chance to lead a team completely like Moon. Oh yeah, Doug Williams did, who only took over for Jay Schroeder, and won a SB. Trust me, I'm no fan of guys like Vick or Young, cause I view them as extensions of that past racist "black QB = athletic QB who'll beat you with their legs, not arms and brains" mentality. Both McNair and McNabb came into the league as "athletes" and reinvented themselves as pocket passers. How amazing, they also made it to the SB? I always like to think that since the media no longer has to attach that "black" part to QBs who are indeed black, the general public could be a little more enlightened as well. Reading what I just did is VERY sobering and depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alk Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I'm a black man who tries his HARDEST to stay away from pulling the race card, but some of the comments that I read at the beginning of this thread are extremely appalling. Black QBs don't win Super Bowls? Well out of all the white starters there have been, only a HANDFUL have ever been to a Super Bowl, much less win one. Considering we didn't start getting legit and consistent opportunities to be starters until well into the Super Bowl era, well you do the math. Not too mention that for far too long, many high school and college coaches took young black QBs and decided to use them as an "athlete" instead of grooming them to be QBs at the next level. They were confined to option systems, half read systems, anything but pro-style systems. And why? Because they could run a little faster or were a little more athletic than their white couterparts? Or was it because the powers that be felt, like someone stated, that black QBs aren't smart enough to run a full read system? And what is that supposed to mean, that current QBs "don't have to be as smart"? Is that why more recent black QBs like McNair and McNabb have been successful? I got news for ya'll: As NFL defenses get more complex, so do the offenses, and therefore, so do the QBs reads. It's funny that a pocket passer like Moon, when finally given a chance, was able to be successful, and I know he never even got to a SB, but again, how many (especially 20 years ago) got the chance to lead a team completely like Moon. Oh yeah, Doug Williams did, who only took over for Jay Schroeder, and won a SB. Trust me, I'm no fan of guys like Vick or Young, cause I view them as extensions of that past racist "black QB = athletic QB who'll beat you with their legs, not arms and brains" mentality. Both McNair and McNabb came into the league as "athletes" and reinvented themselves as pocket passers. How amazing, they also made it to the SB? I always like to think that since the media no longer has to attach that "black" part to QBs who are indeed black, the general public could be a little more enlightened as well. Reading what I just did is VERY sobering and depressing. Leave it to sofla to always start some $hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 Leave it to sofla to always start some $hit. and leave it to Alk to have no idea of which he writes-I'm the guy who started the thread saying we should look at getting this guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLs StepChild Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Not too mention that for far too long, many high school and college coaches took young black QBs and decided to use them as an "athlete" instead of grooming them to be QBs at the next level. They were confined to option systems, half read systems, anything but pro-style systems. And why? Because they could run a little faster or were a little more athletic than their white couterparts? Or was it because the powers that be felt, like someone stated, that black QBs aren't smart enough to run a full read system? I'd agree there. Currently I'd put it more on coaches wanting to win immediately rather than the powers that be dictating they are not smart enough to grasp a system. The cold truth about it is there is no reason for a program to develop a kid long term. One of the guys on the JA board put it best once, he said something to the point of - It's not the race thing that hurts developemnt of college QBs, it's the fact that coaches can use their natural ability against them. Meaning you have a kid who can play QB well, but is agile and fast. You can spend time developing him as an elite pro style QB and build up a program or you can win now. But since your job is based only on winning program and not style points, implementing a prostyle offense isn't a priority. So why bother? You can win with a kid playing entirely from the gun in a spread offense and use him as a dual running threat. Hell sometimes not even a dual threat, just a runner...(see Wild Hog) The ability to cover the rest of the field and close up running lanes is not that great in college so a fast athletic kid under center creates huge matchup problems. So where is the need to build a pro stle offense. I mean unless you are trying to build one so that you get a shot at being an NFL OC. The colleges use these kids to benefit their system and have zero invested in their future success. So anyone viewed as an "athletic QB" gets put into a position where there is not a priority to have them do anything but go be a facsimile of Mike Vick out there. Seperately, Young I thought had developed well as a true dual threat in college. He came in as an ahletic QB but really came on strong and becme a very accurate passer. He was what you want to see happen, a truly athletic QB who can beat you either way with ease. It didn't translate to the NFL, but I thought that was more b/c he wasn't strong enough mentally to deal with the scrutiny and hype...and of course he made poor decisions with the ball. But I thought the decision making was something to easily improve, the collapse under the pressure thing and talk of suicide and what not was unfortunate and I think irrelevant to the whole arguement here. Regardless I loved him in college, he was what you wanted to see as far as an evolution of the position from a "mobile QB" - working off your definition of athletic QB. This would be a guy who can beat you with his legs and speed but also with his head and accuracy. I think if he would have stayed on at UT, he would have put the final pieces of his game together and could have been elite, they could have added multiple reads to his plays and he could have further improved his accuracy and decision making. Not that I could fault him for leaving after that Rose Bowl performance. But what he might have been had he stayed in school and developed further...who knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Call me when you find a clip where he looks off a safety. I'll even settle for one where he doesn't bird-dog every single one of his passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alk Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 and leave it to Alk to have no idea of which he writes-I'm the guy who started the thread saying we should look at getting this guy Wait a second...you say I have no idea what I write and I said the same thing about you about a week ago...who are your parents again? Hmmm....this is more than just a coincidence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alk Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Call me when you find a clip where he looks off a safety. I'll even settle for one where he doesn't bird-dog every single one of his passes. Wait...you actually thinks he knows what a safety is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 Wait a second...you say I have no idea what I write and I said the same thing about you about a week ago...who are your parents again? Hmmm....this is more than just a coincidence... can someone who understand a-holian please explain to me what this means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alk Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 can someone who understand a-holian please explain to me what this means? It means Einhorn is Finkel...Finkel is Einhorn...EINHORN IS A MAN!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLs StepChild Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 can someone who understand a-holian please explain to me what this means? It means you should make better use of your "ignore" function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alk Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 It means you should make better use of your "ignore" function. Oh don't mind us. We just like to give eachother a hard time...oh wait, I think that only applies when he's the one giving me a hard time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLs StepChild Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Oh don't mind us. We just like to give eachother a hard time...oh wait, I think that only applies when he's the one giving me a hard time. No worries - you banter is your own business troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Babe Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 His stock rose, and I think that taking him at 17 will not be a big reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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