YJF Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 All of this stuff is good in theory and saying it and executing it are two different things. It all depends how much cap room The Jets have. Here's what I would do. Sign Fred Smoot or Ty Law.(That takes care of CB for atleast the next 3 years) Trade your 2nd and 4th next year for Albert Haynesworth ( The Jets are going to get a bunch of compensatory picks next year, No need to worry about future picks. Haynesworth under Donnie gets whipped into shape and he and D-Rob wreck havoc for the next 5 years) Draft the best available OT or Safety at 26. Hopefully, Denver doesn't match Jeb's offer sheet. Now we can go with war with any team in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 YJF!!!! That is crazy, you crazy bastard! 1) Haynesworth is synonymous with "dog" in Tennessee. We're desperate for a DT, but not THAT desperate, IMO. 2) I think Denver matching Putier's sheet is a formality. $2.5 mil for their only (per: Rigs) real TE is not too much, considering what the TE means to Shanahan's offense. 3) I'm with you on Ty or Smoot. Who would you rather have? I'm on the Ty train, myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 Yeah well I'm from the Smoot side biatch............. Joking aside it depends on thier contract demands. Ty is the better short term fix though. But Smoot is better long term. jmo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 Yeah well I'm from the Smoot side biatch............. Me too. Tom best stay outta our side o da tracks, homes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 Me too. Tom best stay outta our side o da tracks, homes. Word up money....talk like that on this side of the Smoot tracks will get a motherf!cker shanked. You feel me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 You guys are missing the big thing here. "Ty Law" is a much cooler name than "Fred Smoot." Deny THAT, homeys! All up in y'inz grill, hustlaz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 Yeah lets get as many Old Ex Pat players so Cumar feels all warm and cozy when he gets back to basics with 1150 yd's a 3 TD's next year!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 You guys are missing the big thing here. "Ty Law" is a much cooler name than "Fred Smoot." Deny THAT, homeys! All up in y'inz grill, hustlaz. How much does cool cost these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YJF Posted March 5, 2005 Author Share Posted March 5, 2005 YJF!!!! That is crazy, you crazy bastard! 1) Haynesworth is synonymous with "dog" in Tennessee. We're desperate for a DT, but not THAT desperate, IMO. 2) I think Denver matching Putier's sheet is a formality. $2.5 mil for their only (per: Rigs) real TE is not too much, considering what the TE means to Shanahan's offense. 3) I'm with you on Ty or Smoot. Who would you rather have? I'm on the Ty train, myself. I'll take either one. Ty is the better player. Smoot is younger. I'd be happy with either one. We can go the young route in the draft but if we address one of our needs now. We have less to worry about heading into the draft. I agree with you in calling Haynesworth a "DOG". You are right but I think a change of scenery might do him good. Nothing against Jeff Fisher and Schwartz. They are two fine defensive minds but they are little too soft with players. They can be a little too cordial. Give Haynesworth to Donnie and we will see how much he dogs it. If Donnie was around when McGlockton was here. Chester would have been thrown into Herm's BBQ grill. He would have been greased and cooked.LOL I love Donnie Henderson. My favorite Jet coach of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 You guys are missing the big thing here. "Ty Law" is a much cooler name than "Fred Smoot." Deny THAT, homeys! All up in y'inz grill, hustlaz. And Derrick be pointing a Dagger Strait at your Heart!! :twisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YJF Posted March 5, 2005 Author Share Posted March 5, 2005 Yeah lets get as many Old Ex Pat players so Cumar feels all warm and cozy when he gets back to basics with 1150 yd's a 3 TD's next year!! Those are pretty decent numbers.LOL I'll take em. It won't be as good as Jordan's 8,000 yards rushing and 74 tds next year in Oakland but it's still respectable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 YJF, did I not predict that you'd come over to the dark side of the Herm debate? :twisted: Welcome, my evil minion. MUUHUUHAHAHAAAA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 The Jets MUST become Smoot-a-liscious in 2005! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YJF Posted March 6, 2005 Author Share Posted March 6, 2005 YJF, did I not predict that you'd come over to the dark side of the Herm debate? :twisted: Welcome, my evil minion. MUUHUUHAHAHAAAA! LOL. I still support Herm. Think he's a great leader. Love the Good Cop, Bad Cop element on The Jets now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 The Jets MUST become Smoot-a-liscious in 2005! Is that a word? I'm checkin, homey. I'M CHECKIN!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Those are pretty decent numbers.LOL I'll take em. It won't be as good as Jordan's 8,000 yards rushing and 74 tds next year in Oakland but it's still respectable. Your problem YJF is you get caught up in the "Cumar is such a Class Guy act" I have no idea what Jordan can do..I just wanted him to get a shot! I know what Martin can't do..And that's run against tough Teams! 42 yd's in the Pats Super Bowl and 14 yd's on 13 carries in the Jets AFC Championship game in 98! Pathetic.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Your problem YJF is you get caught up in the "Cumar is such a Class Guy act" I have no idea what Jordan can do..I just wanted him to get a shot! I know what Martin can't do..And that's run against tough Teams! 42 yd's in the Pats Super Bowl and 14 yd's on 13 carries in the Jets AFC Championship game in 98! Pathetic.. Savage, you're forgetting that he also can not run for more than 25 yards on a single play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YJF Posted March 6, 2005 Author Share Posted March 6, 2005 Your problem YJF is you get caught up in the "Cumar is such a Class Guy act" I have no idea what Jordan can do..I just wanted him to get a shot! I know what Martin can't do..And that's run against tough Teams! 42 yd's in the Pats Super Bowl and 14 yd's on 13 carries in the Jets AFC Championship game in 98! Pathetic.. It has nothing to do with class guy. Kevin Swayne was a class guy but you didn't see me clamoring for him to stay. Martin produces. That's all I care about is production. Martin has struggled against some great defensive teams. I'll agree with you on that. Although, I remember Curtis Martin running for 120 yards and 2tds against Baltimore last year and Jordan making like Browning Nagle and throwing up a duck to Ed "Bradway" Reed. Not trying to diss Jordan. I love the player and appreciate what he gave us. He should be a starter in The NFL and he will thrive in Oakland next year. Rather than appreciate Martin for what he is or what he does bring. We focus on what he isn't or can't do. Martin is a great football player period. That jersey #28 will be retired in our new home in Conneticut or LA in 2012.LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Savage, you're forgetting that he also can not run for more than 25 yards on a single play. Actually I think they called a Timeout for some oxygen and a Foot massage Specialist to come out and help him before he completed the whole 25 yds! :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Hey Sav.... You fought the good fight my friend. But you (and perhaps the Jets) lost out. What point is there being bitter and angry (masked by humour of course) about it all now. Martin and (*cough*) Jolene Blaylock are our RB's now. Well, maybe Askew'sme too. Isn't it time to move on yet? After all, THIS is the Jets NEW #2 Runningback....JOLENE BLAYLOCK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 It has nothing to do with class guy. Kevin Swayne was a class guy but you didn't see me clamoring for him to stay. Martin produces. That's all I care about is production. Martin has struggled against some great defensive teams. I'll agree with you on that. Although, I remember Curtis Martin running for 120 yards and 2tds against Baltimore last year and Jordan making like Browning Nagle and throwing up a duck to Ed "Bradway" Reed. Not trying to diss Jordan. I love the player and appreciate what he gave us. He should be a starter in The NFL and he will thrive in Oakland next year. Rather than appreciate Martin for what he is or what he does bring. We focus on what he isn't or can't do. Martin is a great football player period. That jersey #28 will be retired in our new home in Conneticut or LA in 2012.LOL 119 yd's not 120!!LOL Martin is not a Great Back! You want to say excellent..Extremly Durable?? I'll give you that! I've seen great Backs..And he ain't one of them!! In your lifetime(I know since the Womb) who are the greatest 3 that you have ever seen?? PS Funny you diss Jordan on Passing not running!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YJF Posted March 6, 2005 Author Share Posted March 6, 2005 119 yd's not 120!!LOL Martin is not a Great Back! You want to say excellent..Extremly Durable?? I'll give you that! I've seen great Backs..And he ain't one of them!! In your lifetime(I know since the Womb) who are the greatest 3 that you have ever seen?? PS Funny you diss Jordan on Passing not running!! I'm 24 years old now. Just turned. Watching football since I was about 5 or 6. So I don't have the years of experience like you but I do follow history. Jim Brown is the greatest back of all time. Players, I have seen. Walter Payton, Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith. Martin is alot like Smith. Bo Jackson is the most talented RB, I have ever seen. Sanders was the most fun to watch. Smith wasn't pretty. He wasn't very fast or very strong but he had great vision and balance and was a complete player at the position. Doesn't get enough respect in my opinion. Martin is a great back. Part of being great is being dependable, reliable and being consistently good for a long time. That's how you become great. Martin has only one flaw. He doesn't have breakaway speed. Other than that, He's good to very good in every other area. I guarantee that is Lamont goes on to have a similar type career to Martin. Lamont is going to credit Martin for showing him what it meant to be a star NFL RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Walter Payton, Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith. Emmitt is borderline to me..Your 100% correct on Bo Jackson though! For pure Talent,he's one of the Best I've ever seen..And I saw Brown play at Manhasset HS!! I said that on the JI Board to bad you weren't around that day! So you contend that being ""dependable, reliable and being consistently good for a long time." Makes one great?? No that's longevity..Great is Talent! Bo had that!What Martin has is Durability and Longevity and playing with Coaches like the Tuna and Hackett that put him before the good of the Team..That is being in the right place at the right Time..And that's Luck! Something Jordan didn't have! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YJF Posted March 6, 2005 Author Share Posted March 6, 2005 Savage, you're forgetting that he also can not run for more than 25 yards on a single play. Glad you brought this up. I agree, Martin's one weakness is his inability to break the long run. Martin doesn't have breakaway speed. It's his one weakness.That's why they signed Blaylock. But here's some interesting stats from last year. These are all backs that had nearly the same amount of carries. These guys all had over 300 carries. RUNS OVER 20 YARDS Curtis Martin- 7 Ladainian Tomlinson-6 Edgerrin James- 6 Clinton Portis- 5 Corey Dillon-8 There are a ton of backs who had less than 300 carries. I didn't include them in this mix and they had 7 runs over 20 or less. Ahman Green had 6, Duece McAlister had 5 etc etc etc The two best in this category were Shaun Alexander who had 15 runs over 20 (Very impressive) and Tiki Barber who had 11. He's a boom or bust type back. He'll get stopped for a few losses and then break a nice gainer. I like Tiki. Anyway. Fred Taylor who may be the most explosive back next to Tomlinson had 9 last year but as usual he ended up injured. Just a sidenote and it's not fair to Lamont Jordan because he didn't have enough carries to even be compared on this list. Jordan's longest run last year was 33 yards. In the last two years, His longest run from scrimmage has been 39 yards. He only had 3 plays over 20 last year but he didn't have nowhere near the carries that Martin had and he's way more of a big play threat than Martin is. I'm just trying to show you that The "long runs" issue is not as big of a factor as one would think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Savage, you're forgetting that he also can not run for more than 25 yards on a single play. Glad you brought this up. I agree, Martin's one weakness is his inability to break the long run. Martin doesn't have breakaway speed. It's his one weakness.That's why they signed Blaylock. But here's some interesting stats from last year. These are all backs that had nearly the same amount of carries. These guys all had over 300 carries. RUNS OVER 20 YARDS Curtis Martin- 7 Ladainian Tomlinson-6 Edgerrin James- 6 Clinton Portis- 5 Corey Dillon-8 There are a ton of backs who had less than 300 carries. I didn't include them in this mix and they had 7 runs over 20 or less. Ahman Green had 6, Duece McAlister had 5 etc etc etc The two best in this category were Shaun Alexander who had 15 runs over 20 (Very impressive) and Tiki Barber who had 11. He's a boom or bust type back. He'll get stopped for a few losses and then break a nice gainer. I like Tiki. Anyway. Fred Taylor who may be the most explosive back next to Tomlinson had 9 last year but as usual he ended up injured. Just a sidenote and it's not fair to Lamont Jordan because he didn't have enough carries to even be compared on this list. Jordan's longest run last year was 33 years. In the last two years, His longest run from scrimmage has been 39 yards. He only had 3 plays over 20 last year but he didn't have nowhere near the carries that Martin had and he's way more of a big play threat than Martin is. I'm just trying to show you that The "long runs" issue is not as big of a factor as one would think. Well if Jordan can run for 33 years!! He is a HOF'er in my Book!!LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YJF Posted March 6, 2005 Author Share Posted March 6, 2005 I just edited that.LOL I laughed when I read it. It's interesting though looking at the numbers. I figured Martin would be on the bottom of the pile on that list. He's right there with everybody else in long runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 I just edited that.LOL I laughed when I read it. It's interesting though looking at the numbers. I figured Martin would be on the bottom of the pile on that list. He's right there with everybody else in long runs. Good stat, YJ. I can't believe Martin busted more that LaDanian. That's just freaky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Good stat, YJ. I can't believe Martin busted more that LaDanian. That's just freaky. Wow that's bugged out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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