ZachEY Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Quite possibly, and that's a scary thought. Hopefully Ratliff can step up and establish himself, but I'm not banking on it. He has the size, tools, and performed admirably during the last preseason, but he has much to prove and a long way to go. One thing that leaves me optimistic is that he is a guy who always seems to overachieve. He went from undrafted free agent to practice squad QB to outshining Chad and Clemens during TC (from most reports I've read) to leading the league in QB rating in the preseason. Not bad for a player of his type during the short time he's been in the league. I hope he can continue to build on it. That would be great. But the reality is, most of these guys fade back into obscurity when faced with real competition. Could he be the next Romo? The next Brady? Of course. But smart money is with him maintaining his current stat of 0 official NFL pass attempts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 I'm with JMJ & CTM on this issue. The only and I mean ONLY reason I'm rooting for Ratliff to seize the day and be the starter is because of salary cap ramifications. I don't like the idea of Clemens winning the job and then holding the Jets over a barrel for a contract extension. Of course, if 2010 is uncapped then Clemens would not be an UFA. Clemens real height is 6' 1 5/8" so I'm not worried about him being too short. I like Ratliff for his height and strong arm, but Clemens has a nice release and strong arm as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 That would be great. But the reality is, most of these guys fade back into obscurity when faced with real competition. Could he be the next Romo? The next Brady? Of course. But smart money is with him maintaining his current stat of 0 official NFL pass attempts. I was about to say that he's in a situation where he has NOTHING to lose. All he can do is go in there and do the best he can. As a fan one can hope these things happen but the spotlight will be directly on him and Clemens this TC and that can change things greatly. As great as Ratliffs arm is, I don't know what his accuracy is like and I'm thinking if we don't get a WR in the draft with speed that's gonna be the most important thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 the stats prove it, in the regular season when he gets to the playoffs... Easily a top 10 means he's at least 7th or 8th. Here are a list of QBs better than him, regardless of preseason, regular season, post season, global warming shortened winter season. Tom Brady Peyton Manning Carson Palmer Philip Rivers Drew Brees Jay Cutler Ben Rothelisberger Eli Manning Tony Romo Kurt Warner Aaron Rodgers Donovan McNabb Matt Ryan There's 13 that are easily better than him. Then we could talk about guys like Flacco, Garrard, Collins, Cassell, and Delihomme who you could make arguments for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 I'm with JMJ & CTM on this issue. The only and I mean ONLY reason I'm rooting for Ratliff to seize the day and be the starter is because of salary cap ramifications. I don't like the idea of Clemens winning the job and then holding the Jets over a barrel for a contract extension. Of course, if 2010 is uncapped then Clemens would not be an UFA. Clemens real height is 6' 1 5/8" so I'm not worried about him being too short. I like Ratliff for his height and strong arm, but Clemens has a nice release and strong arm as well. Part of my concern with Clemens is he scrambled a lot over here. I think that conditions QB's to have that happy feet issue. My hope is that with the time he's spent in the NFL now he'll get rid of that but sometimes it's an instinct that just kicks in for these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted March 26, 2009 Author Share Posted March 26, 2009 thanks for leaving me out dickhead. look Chad is easily a top 10 QB when healthy, always has been. you really think he's gonna make it easy for some 2nd year kid to beat him. Chad doesn't do spectacular things at QB but he's efficient and rarely makes mistakes. so it make it very hard for a coach to not play chad agreed. But then I'm a chad lover, you see, ahhhhh the life of LM on the JN board. It's like having a son who hates you. I love it here and I'm getting guys from PA with 200 posts calling me an idiot.lol (in his own passive agressive way, using EY as a shield,left him out ,too) Sorry for leaving you out, my man. It's actually not only a GREAT place for the most insightful Jets news ANYWHERE, it's a great microcosm of life. It became a "fad" to call LM an idiot without even reading a single post. No disrespect to the originals who disagreed with me so much that their passion began spewing hatred(I think it was the Chad support), I respect ur opinion, but it's the fools who see I started a thread that is disagreed with so they use the opportunity to be funny at my expense. It's natural to our species and I find it interesting and humorous. EX: "does it hurt when you think?" is neither funny nor does it contribute to a football discussion, but, hey, it's the "in" thing to do. I hear acid wash is coming back, check it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJ667 Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 agreed. But then I'm a chad lover, you see, ahhhhh the life of LM on the JN board. It's like having a son who hates you. I love it here and I'm getting guys from PA with 200 posts calling me an idiot.lol (in his own passive agressive way, using EY as a shield,left him out ,too) Sorry for leaving you out, my man. It's actually not only a GREAT place for the most insightful Jets news ANYWHERE, it's a great microcosm of life. It became a "fad" to call LM an idiot without even reading a single post. No disrespect to the originals who disagreed with me so much that their passion began spewing hatred(I think it was the Chad support), I respect ur opinion, but it's the fools who see I started a thread that is disagreed with so they use the opportunity to be funny at my expense. It's natural to our species and I find it interesting and humorous. EX: "does it hurt when you think?" is neither funny nor does it contribute to a football discussion, but, hey, it's the "in" thing to do. I hear acid wash is coming back, check it out. no prob i was just busting your balls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted March 26, 2009 Author Share Posted March 26, 2009 In '07, he got in the games at the same time Ratliff came in in '08 - a man amongst scrubs. In '08, he played against actual competition. which tells me Clemens is not that good against better competition and the jury is still out on Rat, we'll soon find out. Funny thing, it could be Sanchez or Cutler or some other wild card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted March 26, 2009 Author Share Posted March 26, 2009 Why is it a good post? Because you agree with it? how do you determine a good post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 which tells me Clemens is not that good against better competition and the jury is still out on Rat, we'll soon find out. Funny thing, it could be Sanchez or Cutler or some other wild card. Are you judging Clemens on his play during the season or the pre-season here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Part of my concern with Clemens is he scrambled a lot over here. I think that conditions QB's to have that happy feet issue. My hope is that with the time he's spent in the NFL now he'll get rid of that but sometimes it's an instinct that just kicks in for these guys. I hear ya, but it's not a David Carr situation where he got bombarded for four straight years. Working with a better OL and running game, I think he has the potential to settle in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Quite possibly, and that's a scary thought. Hopefully Ratliff can step up and establish himself, but I'm not banking on it. He has the size, tools, and performed admirably during the last preseason, but he has much to prove and a long way to go. One thing that leaves me optimistic is that he is a guy who always seems to overachieve. He went from undrafted free agent to practice squad QB to outshining Chad and Clemens during TC (from most reports I've read) to leading the league in QB rating in the preseason. Not bad for a player of his type during the short time he's been in the league. I hope he can continue to build on it. It deems mentioning, that the only thing preventing us from having the worst QB situation in the NFL is we don't have money tied up in an overpaid vet or 1st round bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 I hear ya, but it's not a David Carr situation where he got bombarded for four straight years. Working with a better OL and running game, I think he has the potential to settle in. That's my hope. That situation for Clemens was horrid. I mean it was just a terrible year for our QB's so bad that Chad Pennington could win COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR again. People sometimes forget that both our QB's looked atrocious behind that abomination of a line. Seriously, if we don't get Cutler may the best man win. That's what's best for our team, we dont' know who's going to be better, the sample size is too small or tainted IMO for either candidate to be a clear contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted March 26, 2009 Author Share Posted March 26, 2009 Believe in who you want to believe in, but it's disingenuous to suggest it's anything more than fan-boy faith right now. Have I ever suggested otherwise? I saw what everyone else saw and I am hoping there's more like it, so call it what you want. EY, I think ur spending too much time trying to bash me. You're a knowledgeable fan, I'd like to know what you think we should do regarding the most important player on the field. and saying Clemens is the EXACT same thing,different hair color and Jersey. I really want to hear your input, if it makes you feel better, say something about my mother at the end of the post, but please give me something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Easily a top 10 means he's at least 7th or 8th. Here are a list of QBs better than him, regardless of preseason, regular season, post season, global warming shortened winter season. Tom Brady Peyton Manning Carson Palmer Philip Rivers Drew Brees Jay Cutler Ben Rothelisberger Eli Manning Tony Romo Kurt Warner Aaron Rodgers Donovan McNabb Matt Ryan There's 13 that are easily better than him. Then we could talk about guys like Flacco, Garrard, Collins, Cassell, and Delihomme who you could make arguments for. Whoa...slow down there, professor. How many of those guys can claim to be a 2-time Wild Card Game runner-up and a 2-time Divisional Game runner-up? Thought so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Whoa...slow down there, professor. How many of those guys can claim to be a 2-time Wild Card Game runner-up and a 2-time Divisional Game runner-up? Thought so. And ahem, 2 time Comeback Player of the Year. which means he had to suck terribly the year before or get injured but no one cares about details! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 It deems mentioning, that the only thing preventing us from having the worst QB situation in the NFL is we don't have money tied up in an overpaid vet or 1st round bust. Maybe, maybe not. In terms of proven QB's, we are definitely bottom 5. In terms of money and young talent, we are in decent shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Have I ever suggested otherwise? I saw what everyone else saw and I am hoping there's more like it, so call it what you want. Hope's fine. But I think we both know you've expressed more than that. EY, I think ur spending too much time trying to bash me. You're a knowledgeable fan, I'd like to know what you think we should do regarding the most important player on the field. and saying Clemens is the EXACT same thing,different hair color and Jersey. I really want to hear your input, if it makes you feel better, say something about my mother at the end of the post, but please give me something. I'm just pointing out inconsistencies in what you post. No different than any one else who I disagree with. As to your question, I think we should improve the position. I don't have the answer as to how, because I'm not a big NCAA guy, so I don't know how good Stafford is or can be. I'd love to get Cutler, but I don't think it's realistic. Right now, sad as it may be, and on the evidence we currently (note: currently can change quickly) have, Clemens is our best option. If we're going to be a good team, we'll need one of these guys to step up bigtime, or replace them. There's not much more to say about it. As far as the 'mother comment', I don't think I've made anything personal with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 And ahem, 2 time Comeback Player of the Year. How could I forget? I feel like such a heel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Matt Ryan Probably, and probably soon, but not yet. Unless some sort of scheduling disaster has you playing more top ten defenses than road games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Probably, and probably soon, but not yet. Unless some sort of scheduling disaster has you playing more top ten defenses than road games. I didn't see a ton of Ryan, but all indications have him as a young star. I know he's overvalued a bit by Turner, but you think going into the 2009 season, for one season, you'd rather have Teh Noodlez than Ryan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Well, at least I got to catch a Horatio Alger reference in taking the time to scan through some of these. On that note, 1,400 bonus points if someone can squeeze a John Stuart Mill reference in somewhere, but you have to do it so that it doesn't sound forced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Well, at least I got to catch a Horatio Alger reference in taking the time to scan through some of these. On that note, 1,400 bonus points if someone can squeeze a John Stuart Mill reference in somewhere, but you have to do it so that it doesn't sound forced. Will you accept Jon Stewart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 I didn't see a ton of Ryan, but all indications have him as a young star. I know he's overvalued a bit by Turner, but you think going into the 2009 season, for one season, you'd rather have Teh Noodlez than Ryan? Probably. Obviously that's academic because you have to be able to both beat good defenses and win on the road to have any kind of real success over a season. One road game against a top defense, I guess I take Ryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 You know whats funny? The fact that GREAT Brett Ratliff has been on the roster 2 years and hasn't jumped Clemens on the Depth Chart and going into this his 3rd year with the Jets, he STILL hasn't. And yeah, Clemens sucks because he didn't win a QB competition with Pennington in his rookie season. That makes total sense. There was no way Mangini was going with anyone but Chad in 2007 after he took the team to the playoffs, and then preceeded to **** the bed as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Part of my concern with Clemens is he scrambled a lot over here. I think that conditions QB's to have that happy feet issue. My hope is that with the time he's spent in the NFL now he'll get rid of that but sometimes it's an instinct that just kicks in for these guys. It's not just the scrambling. IMO he simply looks like he takes too many steps and hops around back there. He never seems still. You'd think a QB coach like Schottenheimer would have been able to better develop his footwork, but so far I have not seen it. It deems mentioning, that the only thing preventing us from having the worst QB situation in the NFL is we don't have money tied up in an overpaid vet or 1st round bust. If it makes you feel any better, they are still on the hook to the tune of $3,000,000 for Pennington this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 There's another QB who never sits still in the pocket? Peyton Manning Just sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagsFanJif Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 You know whats funny? The fact that GREAT Brett Ratliff has been on the roster 2 years and hasn't jumped Clemens on the Depth Chart and going into this his 3rd year with the Jets, he STILL hasn't. And yeah, Clemens sucks because he didn't win a QB competition with Pennington in his rookie season. That makes total sense. There was no way Mangini was going with anyone but Chad in 2007 after he took the team to the playoffs, and then preceeded to **** the bed as always. Yep. Thats really where its at. Maybe that will change with the new regime, maybe they see more in Ratliff, but for now Kellen has obviously been winning the battle for number 2. Whether its because Kellen was a 2nd round pick or not, Brett has still yet to beat him out. So for those who say Kellen couldnt beat out Chadwick so he sucks, what does that say about Ratliff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 You know whats funny? The fact that GREAT Brett Ratliff has been on the roster 2 years and hasn't jumped Clemens on the Depth Chart and going into this his 3rd year with the Jets, he STILL hasn't. And yeah, Clemens sucks because he didn't win a QB competition with Pennington in his rookie season. That makes total sense. There was no way Mangini was going with anyone but Chad in 2007 after he took the team to the playoffs, and then preceeded to **** the bed as always. LOL. I don't have some overwhelming optimism regarding Clemens. But if part of the argument with Clemens was the people he couldn't leapfrog on the depth chart, what does it say about Ratliff that he hasn't leapfrogged Clemens for 2 seasons? For the record, I don't care who wins the job. As long as someone wins it instead of simply the other guy losing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagsFanJif Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 LOL. I don't have some overwhelming optimism regarding Clemens. But if part of the argument with Clemens was the people he couldn't leapfrog on the depth chart, what does it say about Ratliff that he hasn't leapfrogged Clemens for 2 seasons? For the record, I don't care who wins the job. As long as someone wins it instead of simply the other guy losing it. LOL, we must have been posting at the same time. But as for the bold part, I agree 100%. I would hate to thrust any of our Qb's in as a starter because of how poorly the others played. That would be bad news. Overall, I dont care who our QB is at the end of the day, just as long as he can get us wins and at seem to have what it takes to get us to the promise land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted March 27, 2009 Author Share Posted March 27, 2009 There are people on this board who want a Young Jet QB to fail so they could be the smarter message board poster. Pretty sick if you ask me, but noone did. yes, pretty sick and far from a jet fan, more like a "me on the internet" fan. I hope Kellen Clemens is the best QB the game has ever seen! and Ratliff, and Ainge. I hope Lowery becomes the next Champ Bailey. I hope Rex Ryan is the next Bill Parcells. Is this a board for jet fans or wanna be sports analysts? We have a kid who has shown nothing but positives, yes, against fireman lol(i love that one) 3rd string NFL players are all fireman and truck drivers lol, but still he's shown positives, he has great size and a JET FAN drags him through the mud. What parallel dimension am i in? Thank God for Brady he was never a Jet. Actually that's probably why we never have any Brady's or Romo's. We had a pretty good one named Pennington, but the fans tore him to shreds. We even had a HOF running back but JET FANS called him a stat compiler, whatever that is, Curtis F%$king Martin got dissed by Jet Fans. I'm actually ashamed right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 There are people on this board who want a Young Jet QB to fail so they could be the smarter message board poster. Can you name one such person? Just one. That's all I ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I skipped the part where everybody who's for Clemens has to equivocate because he has an actual track record and you declare victory because you're not under the same constraint. which tells me Clemens is not that good against better competition and the jury is still out on Rat, we'll soon find out. Yup, that's it right there. Worst part is we have to keep hearing it because Ratliff is gonna remain an unknown quantity for another year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Yup, that's it right there. Worst part is we have to keep hearing it because Ratliff is gonna remain an unknown quantity for another year. Nah, the first time he enters a preseason game as a starter and throws a pick the wheels will come off the bandwagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted March 27, 2009 Author Share Posted March 27, 2009 Can you name one such person? Just one. That's all I ask. you're kidding, read the posts all around you. Aten says Ratliff starting would be me "declaring victory" LOL you think he wants Ratliff to do well, ask him. or Klecko, read his posts, Hey, Klecko, do you want Ratliff to be the starter and play great? How about you, 124? Didn't you actually say you hope he fails one day. It's the Jets message board way, did we not do it to Pennington, or Curtis Martin. Now Lowery is a bust, he started as a fourth round pick, but he's a bust.LOL I wish I had a research team, I would flood this thread with posts DBates, but you'll just have to pay attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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