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He didn't average 4 yards a carry that one season, not for his career. In one year he could get a disproportionate amount of his carries in short-yardage. In one year he could have a nagging injury that doesn't affect his power but does affect his moves or shiftiness (if he had any to begin with). In one year his run-blocking could be pathetic. In one year the playcalling couldn't be more obvious. Or he could just be nothing special which, while I'd absolutely like him to work out & wanted us to draft him late before we picked him up as a UDFA last year, is probably the most likely thing.

It wasn't just one year, it was his junior and senior seasons....oh and Javon Ringer had no problem averaging close to 6 yards a carry behind the same line and in the same offense. Ringer will be a 4th round pick this year.

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We'll see what this guy can do. As for a RB with size I'd love to see us draft Blount from Oregon next year. Dude has got speed, power, and agility.

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This guy actually does remind me of Jacobs and Steven Jackson. He's pretty much the ideal guy to pair with Leon. They don't make too many bruisers with that kind of speed.

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EY, I love the he-man thing, and i like your posts, but the attacking with no substance just because it's me is dying, if you'll notice, heck even JiF and irish Jet are actuallt having civil football discussions, of course they mostly disagree and call me insane, which is fine...i think we all are.

But seeit's only you, ECURB and a couple others that do "drive by" posts, it just got old man, it's cool. I noticed a guy on our team who I like, I ,in fact, think he's good. His college career shows it, and I'm simply throwing it out there, this is ADVANCED jet talk, right. Or should i just say "well the Jets need a Qb,right?' "why yes they do"

Some peolpe like this guy, and yes I like Mangold, he's good. I also like Leon , he's pretty good.

I wonder what you would have said years back after Cotch's first year with the team if I said, "i like this kid, Jerricho Cotchery. " hmmmm I just wonder would you have agreed with lancemehl? (GASP!)

say something I can debate in football land, that's why we come here, not for you witty oneliners, though you may think.

Talk about a player worth talking about, and we can debate. There's really not much to say in response to a long winded diatribe on an undrafted RB who spent the whole year on the practice squad.

Further, comparing him, or Ratliff, to Cotchery is nonsensical, as Cotchery was a 4th round pick, a round where you still find many viable players. While he may not have been a starter, he was not either on the practice squad, or burried on the depth chart.

Oh, and Danny Woodhead had an impressive college career. I can't wait to see him out there as a #1 Back.

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as a short yardage specialist, backup FB and special teams guy. His senior year he had 21 TDs!

also about the senior year he split it with Javon Ringer and he still got 21 tds, hes a beast. I like him and It dont make sense not to have him on the roster. He can easily be just like Jacobs and i think he can be better.

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Its diff Caulcrick played for MSU they play great defensive teams where alot of nfl players come from

Oh... Well in that case...

Not only was he not drafted. He was cut, not signed by anyone else, then put on the practice squad, where any team could have picked him up. No one did. Then he was waived from the practice squad, then resigned to the practice squad, then waived again the next day. He was signed to a 'future contract' after the season ended.

Yeah, that's a guy I spend a lot of time thinking about. :rolleyes:

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Oh... Well in that case...

Not only was he not drafted. He was cut, not signed by anyone else, then put on the practice squad, where any team could have picked him up. No one did. Then he was waived from the practice squad, then resigned to the practice squad, then waived again the next day. He was signed to a 'future contract' after the season ended.

Yeah, that's a guy I spend a lot of time thinking about. :rolleyes:

o yea because ware and ward didnt sit on pratice squad either.

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It wasn't just one year, it was his junior and senior seasons....oh and Javon Ringer had no problem averaging close to 6 yards a carry behind the same line and in the same offense. Ringer will be a 4th round pick this year.

How often did they pull him to insert Caulcrick in short-yardage situations. It does increase (or decrease) one's ypc if done enough.

If you get pulled every time your offense gets inside the opponent's 5, it's a lot easier to keep that ypc from decreasing. What's more valuable - a 9 yard run on 3rd & 15 or a 1-yard TD?

I didn't watch their games week in & week out so I really can't speak to their relative use. I have nothing for or against Caulcrick. I hope he would be useful in short yardage & goal line stuff. If he isn't then he isn't. But scoring a touchdown on 10% of his carries suggests he was not used the same.

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o yea because ware and ward didnt sit on pratice squad either.

Yes, and Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Once again, Jets fans love the once in a blue moon player who is the absolute statistical anomaly.

Do we even want to discuss why Jehuu and Ward are different? First and foremost being a team, one with a great offensive line, signed Jehuu off the Jets practice squad, meaning they wanted him. I've listed a dozen opportunities where another team could have picked up Caulcrick, and no one bit.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why though, NFLDraftScout.com had him listed as the 9th best fullback coming out of college that year. :rolleyes:

Oh, and do you actually expect Ward to be worth his contract when he's not running for the Giants, behind Jacobs?

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Yes, and Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Once again, Jets fans love the once in a blue moon player who is the absolute statistical anomaly.

Do we even want to discuss why Jehuu and Ward are different? First and foremost being a team, one with a great offensive line, signed Jehuu off the Jets practice squad, meaning they wanted him. I've listed a dozen opportunities where another team could have picked up Caulcrick, and no one bit.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why though, NFLDraftScout.com had him listed as the 9th best fullback coming out of college that year. :rolleyes:

Oh, and do you actually expect Ward to be worth his contract when he's not running for the Giants, behind Jacobs?

I'm confused. You think Caulcrick is crap because he's on the practice squad, but anybody could run behind the Giants line and Jacobs? There isn't much reason to think Caulcrick is any worse of a prospect than Ware. It's possible that his problem is that he is not a pure HB and he's not a blocking FB, so it will take him time to learn the position. Maybe he never will, but Mangini supposedly wasn't the type to use guys if they couldn't understand every nuance of a position.

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Yes, and Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Once again, Jets fans love the once in a blue moon player who is the absolute statistical anomaly.

Do we even want to discuss why Jehuu and Ward are different? First and foremost being a team, one with a great offensive line, signed Jehuu off the Jets practice squad, meaning they wanted him. I've listed a dozen opportunities where another team could have picked up Caulcrick, and no one bit.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why though, NFLDraftScout.com had him listed as the 9th best fullback coming out of college that year. :rolleyes:

Oh, and do you actually expect Ward to be worth his contract when he's not running for the Giants, behind Jacobs?

im not saying he will be like the best just saying hes a good guy to have on roster and to use here and there. Hes a good player and will be great for those short yards or a change of pace. Also I like what lancemehl said that he is also a good guy from special teams.

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I'm confused. You think Caulcrick is crap because he's on the practice squad, but anybody could run behind the Giants line and Jacobs? There isn't much reason to think Caulcrick is any worse of a prospect than Ware. It's possible that his problem is that he is not a pure HB and he's not a blocking FB, so it will take him time to learn the position. Maybe he never will, but Mangini supposedly wasn't the type to use guys if they couldn't understand every nuance of a position.

One guy was taken off of our practice squad, and put on an active roster...

Another was cut from our team and signed to a future contract...

One guy was actually drafted as well... One guy actually projected to be a RB, and not a FB halfback tweener... the 9th best one at that.

Jehuu Caulcrick=Manny Collins

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I didn't watch their games week in & week out so I really can't speak to their relative use. I have nothing for or against Caulcrick. I hope he would be useful in short yardage & goal line stuff. If he isn't then he isn't. But scoring a touchdown on 10% of his carries suggests he was not used the same.

You could have saved yourself a lot of time by leading with this statement...I did see him play alot and he is not an NFL caliber back. I guess MSU is saving their stud runner from having to get those bothersome yards in the middle of the field. Could it be that they were saving the wear and tear on their good back and using this meat whistle to take the pounding during short yardage? Why argue about a guy you didn't see play other than a highlight package against the weak ND team?

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One guy was taken off of our practice squad, and put on an active roster...

Another was cut from our team and signed to a future contract...

One guy was actually drafted as well... One guy actually projected to be a RB, and not a FB halfback tweener... the 9th best one at that.

Jehuu Caulcrick=Manny Collins

I don't think you get it. I'm comparing him to Ware, not Ward. Ware was not drafted and the line between 7th round pick (Ward) and UDFA is pretty thin. Ware was on our practice squad for almost all of '07 before the Giants had injury problems and snapped him up. IIRC, he's been on the active roster of that team ever since and got himself a ring. Neither Ward, nor Ware had real contracts before this off-season.

Of course Caulcrick was cut from our team. So were Ward and Ware. You have to be to get on the practice squad. To be signed off the practice squad the player has to go on the active roster. A project that hasn't seen much preseason action, like Caulcrick or Ratliff, is one of the few things that are usually safe.

The guy will probably amount to nothing. OTOH, for all the guys that think you can find any RB under a rock to perform with a decent line, he's as good a candidate as most. I'm talking to you Sperm Edwards! I tend to think a good RB is worth more than most around here, but even as a JAG, Caulcrick has potential to do something the Jets have been needed for years-the ability to score from the one.

FWIW, Woodhead has a slightly bigger contract which probably means more teams were interested.

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Oh, and Danny Woodhead had an impressive college career. I can't wait to see him out there as a #1 Back.

Woodhead played nobody in college, like michigan state does and he is not a physical freak. I'm not mrentioning any schmuck off the PS, I'm talking about a guy who weighs 250 lbs at 6'(that's LBer size, a converted FB to halfback, who had 21 TDS as a senior in the BIG TEN.

He also averaged 4.5 ypc in college.

This is no woodhead. This is Jerald Sowell-like. Short Yardage Guy, backup FB,specials at first with ABSOLUTELY the chance to be a Brandon Jacobs..

Right, why would i talk about him?? When we have one or two years max with a guy who played way over his head last year.

let's talk soccer.

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So he is too slow to be a RB and not strong enough to be a FB... lol... Lance your a mess buddy...

There are thousands of these scouting reports, i like the facts

21 TDs in the big ten. 250 lbs. If he turns into a short yardage specialist, special teams guy, and backup FB, that's good enough, 2 tds a game, obviously, he can get in the endzone.

Oh and he averaged 4.5 ypc in college. I deal with facts, scouting reports are interesting reads, but like astrology reports.

We have at the least a 250lb rb, that intriques me, at worst we have a 250lb rb, that intriques me.

Have you noticed the personal jabs are no more, even my pal Irish jet is actually debating me with, get this, football facts and no insults. It was a fad and you're all that's left.LOLOLOL

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also about the senior year he split it with Javon Ringer and he still got 21 tds, hes a beast. I like him and It dont make sense not to have him on the roster. He can easily be just like Jacobs and i think he can be better.

I'm with you, bro. People love to plat Devil's advocate that's all, plus my name alone start ECURB to disagree without knowing what the topic is.

WE see what we see a 250lb monster who ,like you said,splitting time, barreled into the endzone 21 times in a running conference.

BEST CASE: Brandon Jacobs/Jerome Bettis

But, I will absolutely keep a roster spot for a guy that I know can punch in a 1st and goal from the 5. Sure, maybe he can't but all indicators point to yes he can.

a punch in guy is worthy of a ropster spot, 3rd and one,goalline,playaction,throw in specials and backup to T-RICH, he's on my 52.

imagine you need a yard and you got faneca brick and mangold pushing for T-rich to bulldoze for Caulcrick 250(as i call him), I say we get that yard or we go home.

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Woodhead played nobody in college, like michigan state does and he is not a physical freak. I'm not mrentioning any schmuck off the PS, I'm talking about a guy who weighs 250 lbs at 6'(that's LBer size, a converted FB to halfback, who had 21 TDS as a senior in the BIG TEN.

He also averaged 4.5 ypc in college.

This is no woodhead. This is Jerald Sowell-like. Short Yardage Guy, backup FB,specials at first with ABSOLUTELY the chance to be a Brandon Jacobs..

Right, why would i talk about him?? When we have one or two years max with a guy who played way over his head last year.

let's talk soccer.

Just because the guy's the same size, doesn't mean he's as good. That's nonesense and if he had that kind of potential, he'd have been on the roster, not cut from the practice squad 3 times signed to a 'future contract'.

But hey, my dad's 6'4, 240... do you have a position for him?

As for Sowell, maybe you're right. He's averages 1.6 ypg on the ground with 1 TD since 1997. I'd say that might be a bit more reasonable than your absurd Brandon Jacobs/Jerome Bettis garbage.

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I don't think you get it. I'm comparing him to Ware, not Ward. Ware was not drafted and the line between 7th round pick (Ward) and UDFA is pretty thin. Ware was on our practice squad for almost all of '07 before the Giants had injury problems and snapped him up. IIRC, he's been on the active roster of that team ever since and got himself a ring. Neither Ward, nor Ware had real contracts before this off-season.

Of course Caulcrick was cut from our team. So were Ward and Ware. You have to be to get on the practice squad. To be signed off the practice squad the player has to go on the active roster. A project that hasn't seen much preseason action, like Caulcrick or Ratliff, is one of the few things that are usually safe.

The guy will probably amount to nothing. OTOH, for all the guys that think you can find any RB under a rock to perform with a decent line, he's as good a candidate as most. I'm talking to you Sperm Edwards! I tend to think a good RB is worth more than most around here, but even as a JAG, Caulcrick has potential to do something the Jets have been needed for years-the ability to score from the one.

FWIW, Woodhead has a slightly bigger contract which probably means more teams were interested.

Yes, everyone needs to be cut from the team to be on the practice squad. But how many are cut from the practice squad 3 times without finding another team.

The word on him is that he's too slow to be a RB, and too weak to be a fullback. All he has is his size, and plenty of guys in the world have that size, it takes something more than that.

At the end of the day, it seems we agree. "The guy will probably amount to nothing".

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Just because the guy's the same size, doesn't mean he's as good. That's nonesense and if he had that kind of potential, he'd have been on the roster, not cut from the practice squad 3 times signed to a 'future contract'.

But hey, my dad's 6'4, 240... do you have a position for him?

As for Sowell, maybe you're right. He's averages 1.6 ypg on the ground with 1 TD since 1997. I'd say that might be a bit more reasonable than your absurd Brandon Jacobs/Jerome Bettis garbage.

I'm sure the JN mods have a "position" in mind for a man of such stature, if you know what I mean...

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Yes, everyone needs to be cut from the team to be on the practice squad. But how many are cut from the practice squad 3 times without finding another team.

The word on him is that he's too slow to be a RB, and too weak to be a fullback. All he has is his size, and plenty of guys in the world have that size, it takes something more than that.

At the end of the day, it seems we agree. "The guy will probably amount to nothing".

When was Caulcrick cut 3 times from the practice squad? He was cut at the end of camp and placed on the practice squad. At the end of the season there is no practice squad and the Jets offered him a futures contract which they did pretty much ASAP as far as I can tell. If he was cut during the season, there is no shame in not being picked up, he is a project. The same thing happened to Danny Ware and he's had a steady job in the NFL.

I don't blame you for fighting Lance and his 250 lbs = NFL monster theory. My point is that if you are going to be one of those "any RB can do it behind a good line" guys, there is no reason to discount the guys potential. This is a guy many of us were interested in during the UDFA signing period.

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How often did they pull him to insert Caulcrick in short-yardage situations. It does increase (or decrease) one's ypc if done enough.

If you get pulled every time your offense gets inside the opponent's 5, it's a lot easier to keep that ypc from decreasing. What's more valuable - a 9 yard run on 3rd & 15 or a 1-yard TD?

I didn't watch their games week in & week out so I really can't speak to their relative use. I have nothing for or against Caulcrick. I hope he would be useful in short yardage & goal line stuff. If he isn't then he isn't. But scoring a touchdown on 10% of his carries suggests he was not used the same.

Sperm, perfectly delivered. Your arguments are always sharp,and this one time I agree. lol

it makes perfect sense. and isn't this the time of year to talk about guys like this?

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One guy was taken off of our practice squad, and put on an active roster...

Another was cut from our team and signed to a future contract...

One guy was actually drafted as well... One guy actually projected to be a RB, and not a FB halfback tweener... the 9th best one at that.

Jehuu Caulcrick=Manny Collins

ever the optimist. Now , honestly, do you want Caulcrick to be the next Jacobs, the next Bettis and admit you were wrong or do you want Caulcrick to fail so will be a more credible poster and have "told u so" rights"? Honestly.

Honestly, no, think about it, honestly.

I believe you if you say you want him to succeed we all have the right to criticize, but i have a feeling......

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When was Caulcrick cut 3 times from the practice squad? He was cut at the end of camp and placed on the practice squad. At the end of the season there is no practice squad and the Jets offered him a futures contract which they did pretty much ASAP as far as I can tell. If he was cut during the season, there is no shame in not being picked up, he is a project. The same thing happened to Danny Ware and he's had a steady job in the NFL.

I don't blame you for fighting Lance and his 250 lbs = NFL monster theory. My point is that if you are going to be one of those "any RB can do it behind a good line" guys, there is no reason to discount the guys potential. This is a guy many of us were interested in during the UDFA signing period.

I don't believe that 'Any running back can do it behind a great line', but I do believe that it can improve a player greatly.

This is from wikipedia:

After he was not selected in the 2008 NFL Draft, Caulcrick was signed as a free agent by the Jets.[11] He was waived during final cuts on August 30 and subsequently re-signed to the team's practice squad.[12] On December 23, 2008, He was waived from the practice squad. On December 26, 2008 he was re-signed to the practice squad, only to be waived again a day later. He was then resigned to a future contract following the end of the season.

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Just because the guy's the same size, doesn't mean he's as good. That's nonesense and if he had that kind of potential, he'd have been on the roster, not cut from the practice squad 3 times signed to a 'future contract'.

But hey, my dad's 6'4, 240... do you have a position for him?

As for Sowell, maybe you're right. He's averages 1.6 ypg on the ground with 1 TD since 1997. I'd say that might be a bit more reasonable than your absurd Brandon Jacobs/Jerome Bettis garbage.

He's on our roster now.He spent one year on our PS. It just seems that you either hate underdogs(like Chrebet) ,which i doubt, hate Caulcrick, who had a great career at Mich state and can be compared to Ware or Ward easily, or disagree with anything I say.

He's on our roster though, and he scored 21 TD's in one season in the Big Ten, not Hofstra.

I see no reason to NOT get behind this guy. Do you hate young prospects or young prospects I like. LOL

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ever the optimist. Now , honestly, do you want Caulcrick to be the next Jacobs, the next Bettis and admit you were wrong or do you want Caulcrick to fail so will be a more credible poster and have "told u so" rights"? Honestly.

Honestly, no, think about it, honestly.

I believe you if you say you want him to succeed we all have the right to criticize, but i have a feeling......

I'd love it if he were the bastard lovechild of Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith, but to even put him in the same sentence as them, or a guy like Bettis/Jacobs.

It's not about rooting against a guy. That's simply your defense mechanism, as in reality, you have absolutely no defense of this player besides he's big... There's a lot of big people in the world. My family has been in the Big & Tall Menswear business for a long time... I've seen them... Many of them suck at sports... Most do.

And frankly, if I'm wrong about him, I wont be the least bit embarrassed, as there's 0 reason to go 'cuckoo for the caulcrick cocoa-puffs' as you are. I'm using logic, you are not. That's ok. But don't go attacking those who use it just because you don't, and don't expect me to root against a player just because if he were a fluke (yes, that's what he'd be), I'd be wrong in my obvious and easy assesment that he's untalented.

And no, I don't get off on saying 'told you so' about irrelevant players. No one's going to remember his name in the not too distant future. On the other hand, why don't you look at yourself. You're like the kid in high school that loves every band you've never heard of... is it because you actually think they're good, or that you want to be the guy that gets to say, 'I liked them before they hit it big'. :rolleyes:

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He's on our roster now.He spent one year on our PS. It just seems that you either hate underdogs(like Chrebet) ,which i doubt, hate Caulcrick, who had a great career at Mich state and can be compared to Ware or Ward easily, or disagree with anything I say.

He's on our roster though, and he scored 21 TD's in one season in the Big Ten, not Hofstra.

I see no reason to NOT get behind this guy. Do you hate young prospects or young prospects I like. LOL

You haven't demonstrated anything that makes him comparable to either of these guys. And yes, he's technically on our roster now, but that's because we have a bloated roster right now. He's definitely not one of the top 53 on our roster right now, and that's without the draft.

I don't HATE anything, I just think just about everything you say is patently absurd, and enjoy pointing it out.

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I don't believe that 'Any running back can do it behind a great line', but I do believe that it can improve a player greatly.

This is from wikipedia:

After he was not selected in the 2008 NFL Draft, Caulcrick was signed as a free agent by the Jets.[11] He was waived during final cuts on August 30 and subsequently re-signed to the team's practice squad.[12] On December 23, 2008, He was waived from the practice squad. On December 26, 2008 he was re-signed to the practice squad, only to be waived again a day later. He was then resigned to a future contract following the end of the season.

You act like the guy is unwanted. Sure he wasn't on a 53, but he's at the next level. He spent what? 3 days out of work? The Jets cut him on December 27 and the season ended on December 28. I'm pretty sure that just amounted to not adding him to the active roster since I don't think you get to carry a PS once the season ends. Why should he sign with another team when the Jets signed him to a futures contract? He spent the whole season with the team and probably has some comfort level.

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I don't blame you for fighting Lance and his 250 lbs = NFL monster theory.

LOL I like the guy because a 250lb RB can be a monster. But the 4.5 ypc and 21 TDs senior year helped. Nobody minds fightin Lance, cool, but I like him for the same reason the jets like him, not because of his weight alone.(ridiculous, but the tide is turning)

If he is nothing but a guy who can punch it in from 1st and goal at the 5, I'm ecstatic.

He could be as good as Clemens or Ratliff can be.We seen even less of him though.

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It's not about rooting against a guy. That's simply your defense mechanism, as in reality, you have absolutely no defense of this player besides he's big... There's a lot of big people in the world. My family has been in the Big & Tall Menswear business for a long time... I've seen them... Many of them suck at sports... Most do.

. :rolleyes:

Plus his 4.5 ypc and his 21 TDs as a senior in the big ten that and his weight, yes. No not just his weight.

He put it in the endzone twice a game. any of our guys do that?

don't act like he's a fireman i found who weighs 250, dude played in the big ten. seriously, NO seriously.

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LOL I like the guy because a 250lb RB can be a monster. But the 4.5 ypc and 21 TDs senior year helped. Nobody minds fightin Lance, cool, but I like him for the same reason the jets like him, not because of his weight alone.(ridiculous, but the tide is turning)

If he is nothing but a guy who can punch it in from 1st and goal at the 5, I'm ecstatic.

He could be as good as Clemens or Ratliff can be.We seen even less of him though.

4.5 ypc in the Big 10 does not = 4.5 ypc in the NFL. You like him for more than his weight? Maybe you should read the guy's bio. There are some serious reasons to root for him, but they don't have much to do with football.

He can be as good as Clemens or Ratliff? Whoopty Damn Doo. He can be as bad as them too.

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4.5 ypc in the Big 10 does not = 4.5 ypc in the NFL. You like him for more than his weight? Maybe you should read the guy's bio. There are some serious reasons to root for him, but they don't have much to do with football.

He can be as good as Clemens or Ratliff? Whoopty Damn Doo. He can be as bad as them too.

Big 10s not what it used to be... and most good RBs score less TDs in college because most good RBs don't want to put the extra milage of a 4th year in college.

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You act like the guy is unwanted. Sure he wasn't on a 53, but he's at the next level. He spent what? 3 days out of work? The Jets cut him on December 27 and the season ended on December 28. I'm pretty sure that just amounted to not adding him to the active roster since I don't think you get to carry a PS once the season ends. Why should he sign with another team when the Jets signed him to a futures contract? He spent the whole season with the team and probably has some comfort level.

Not 'unwanted', but not exactly highly sought after either.

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Plus his 4.5 ypc and his 21 TDs as a senior in the big ten that and his weight, yes. No not just his weight.

He put it in the endzone twice a game. any of our guys do that?

don't act like he's a fireman i found who weighs 250, dude played in the big ten. seriously, NO seriously.

Repeating 'honestly' and 'seriously' doesn't actually help you make points. It just repeats the words 'honestly' and 'seriously'.

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