Worst QBs to hoist a Super Bowl trophy

[Jets Babe]

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And the nominees for the worst quarterbacks to win the Super Bowl:

Trent Dilfer: The Ravens' starting QB in a 34-7 win over the Giants in Super Bowl XXV threw more interceptions (129) than touchdown passes (113) over a 13-year career that included stops in Tampa, Baltimore, Seattle, Cleveland and San Francisco. He's better in Bristol than he was in any of those cities.

Doug Williams: His MVP performance in leading the Redskins to a 42-10 victory over Denver in Super Bowl XXII was as much a fluke as a great story. Williams remains the only black QB to win a Super Bowl. He is also one of two starting QBs in a Super Bowl -- Daryle Lamonica was the other -- to complete less than 50 percent of his career passes.

Jim Plunkett: Of the eight quarterbacks who won at least two Super Bowls, Plunkett is the only one not in the Hall of Fame. He resurrected his career with the Raiders, going 8-2 in the postseason that included victories in Super Bowls XV and XVIII. But he threw 164 touchdown passes and 198 interceptions, and his 67.5 quarterback rating was the second lowest by a QB who won a Super Bowl, just behind the next guy.

Joe Namath: Regarded by many as the most overrated QB ever, Broadway Joe was more style than substance. He barely completed 50 percent of his passes and threw more interceptions (220) than touchdown passes (173). And his career QB rating of 65.5 was the lowest by a signal caller who won a Super Bowl.

Jeff Hostetler: He was a backup when he filled in for the injured Phil Simms in Super Bowl XXV. The following season, Giants coach Ray Handley named Hostetler his starter over Simms. But Hostetler couldn't stay healthy and the Giants missed the playoffs two years.

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[Jets Babe]

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[Thai Jet]

This article should go over real well with you guys!

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Doug Williams gets my vote. Talk about being lucky.

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[The Gun Of Bavaria]

What about Tom Brady?

[afosomf]

the worst was dilfer by far

namath on list had to be a poor joke

the rest were all serviceable QB's

[Garb]

I never saw Joe Namath play - all I can go by are his stats - and they suck. However, stats do not tell an entire story - so I will defer to the people that actually saw the man play. Unless it's Assmop - he appears to have lost his mind over the past few months.

[Alk]

Holy $hit!! I never realized how bad Namath actually was. Still seems like a cool guy though.

[Garb]

Holy $hit!! I never realized how bad Namath actually was. Still seems like a cool guy though.

Yup. He made a guarantee (interestingly enough the same year that Rozelle was pushing for the merge), partied like a rock star, was a man-whore, wore full length mink coats, became an icon.....and his legend keeps growing.... with people that never, ever saw the man play.

[ECURB]

What about Tom Brady?

Beat me to it...

[afosomf]

Yup. He made a guarantee (interestingly enough the same year that Rozelle was pushing for the merge), partied like a rock star, was a man-whore, wore full length mink coats, became an icon.....and his legend keeps growing.... with people that never, ever saw the man play.

I would have had more respect for Brady ...if upon hearing Plax's

comments if he said.."'Plax said 17 puts huh, well we are going to kick

his arse and go undefeated"

Cindy couldn't wear JWN's jockstrap

He played his whole career with not a bit of cartilage in his knees.

I doubt he had an ACL either

Be worried by JC...your ride is soon ovah

[Klecko73isGod]

The reason Namath is on that list is because they are basing it purely on raw numbers.

What the idiots don't take into account in Namath and to a lesser extent, Jim Plunkett's case are rules changes that led to wholesale changes in statistical measurements.

For example, in Namath's day, a cornerback had to essentially anally rape a receiver in order to be flagged for pass interference. Rules changes that greatly benefitted the passing game were put in place after Namath retired and for a gunslinging QBs like him and Plunkett, the old rules led to significantly higher INT numbers.

[afosomf]

The reason Namath is on that list is because they are basing it purely on raw numbers.

What the idiots don't take into account in Namath and to a lesser extent, Jim Plunkett's case are rules changes that led to wholesale changes in statistical measurements.

For example, in Namath's day, a cornerback had to essentially anally rape a receiver in order to be flagged for pass interference. Rules changes that greatly benefitted the passing game were put in place after Namath retired and for a gunslinging QBs like him and Plunkett, the old rules led to significantly higher INT numbers.

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000

[Garb]

I would have had more respect for Brady ...if upon hearing Plax's

comments if he said.."'Plax said 17 puts huh, well we are going to kick

his arse and go undefeated"

Cindy couldn't wear JWN's jockstrap

He played his whole career with not a bit of cartilage in his knees.

I doubt he had an ACL either

Be worried by JC...your ride is soon ovah

I agree! Yup, all the "experts" are completely wrong and you, as always are completely right.

Did someone hit you over the head with a baseball bat a few hundred times recently? You are acting quite loon-like. Just sayin'.

[ECURB]

I agree! Yup, all the "experts" are completely wrong and you, as always are completely right.

Did someone hit you over the head with a baseball bat a few hundred times recently? You are acting quite loon-like. Just sayin'.

Namath > Brady

[afosomf]

Originally Posted by Garb

I agree! Yup, all the "experts" are completely wrong and you, as always are completely right.

Did someone hit you over the head with a baseball bat a few hundred times recently? You are acting quite loon-like. Just sayin'.

Cause I am always right...gawd given

Namath > Brady

Yep not even close

[SMC]

The reason Namath is on that list is because they are basing it purely on raw numbers.

What the idiots don't take into account in Namath and to a lesser extent, Jim Plunkett's case are rules changes that led to wholesale changes in statistical measurements.

For example, in Namath's day, a cornerback had to essentially anally rape a receiver in order to be flagged for pass interference. Rules changes that greatly benefitted the passing game were put in place after Namath retired and for a gunslinging QBs like him and Plunkett, the old rules led to significantly higher INT numbers.

Yep.

And every QB needed a cannon arm because there was no West Coast Offense. As such, passes were thrown deeper on a regular basis than today which increased the chance of an INT and a lower completion %.

If Peyton Manning had to throw 20+ yards on every drop back he'd have a ton of INTs too. It was simply a different game.

[PatriotReign37]

Yup. He made a guarantee (interestingly enough the same year that Rozelle was pushing for the merge), partied like a rock star, was a man-whore, wore full length mink coats, became an icon.....and his legend keeps growing.... with people that never, ever saw the man play.

IIRC, He made the prediction the evening prior to the SB at a sports banquet.

Back then, the SB wasnt near the big deal it is today and news traveled at a snails pace.Hardly anyone was aware of Namath talking $hit until after the game. Namath didnt throw a TD in the SB.

[afosomf]

Yep.

And every QB needed a cannon arm because there was no West Coast Offense. As such, passes were thrown deeper on a regular basis than today which increased the chance of an INT and a lower completion %.

If Peyton Manning had to throw 20+ yards on every drop back he'd have a ton of INTs too. It was simply a different game.

smoke screen wasn't even invented yet

heh we agree on something

[Jets Babe]

The reason Namath is on that list is because they are basing it purely on raw numbers.

What the idiots don't take into account in Namath and to a lesser extent, Jim Plunkett's case are rules changes that led to wholesale changes in statistical measurements.

For example, in Namath's day, a cornerback had to essentially anally rape a receiver in order to be flagged for pass interference. Rules changes that greatly benefitted the passing game were put in place after Namath retired and for a gunslinging QBs like him and Plunkett, the old rules led to significantly higher INT numbers.

Yep.

And every QB needed a cannon arm because there was no West Coast Offense. As such, passes were thrown deeper on a regular basis than today which increased the chance of an INT and a lower completion %.

If Peyton Manning had to throw 20+ yards on every drop back he'd have a ton of INTs too. It was simply a different game.

Both of you are 100% correct.

[Garb]

Interesting....

So explain the QB's of that era that did not throw nearly as many picks, had a higher completion percentage, yards per throw, etc. For example, Fran Tarkenton. Oh - I know, nimble feet. LOL@!

Joe Namath became an NY icon because NY Jets fans - and NY'ers - forced it. You guys are rude like that.

He's 'gotta be one of the most over-rated QB's of all time....on paper. Like I said, never saw him play and neither did most you.

[afosomf]

Interesting....

So explain the QB's of that era that did not throw nearly as many picks, had a higher completion percentage, yards per throw, etc. For example, Fran Tarkenton. Oh - I know, nimble feet.

LOL How many SB's did Frannie win??

Good one garb..well done

[PatriotReign37]

I would have had more respect for Brady ...if upon hearing Plax's

comments if he said.."'Plax said 17 puts huh, well we are going to kick

his arse and go undefeated"

But, youre fine with Namath running his gums. Namath was a loose cannon. However, none of the Colts said $hit either. They had too much class.

Secondly, Brady didnt say NE would kick any teams axx and go undefeated.

[Garb]

LOL How many SB's did Frannie win??

Good one garb..well done

Tarkenton wasn't a young, good looking dude playing in the media capital of the world who's personality could help sell Rozelle's vision of a merger and the NFL as the world class business. Just sayin'.

I know you love Joe Namath.....as much as I love Troy Brown. I get it. I do.

[JoeWillie]

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Namath?

Obviously written by another "video game generation" knownothing who determines quality from a statsheet and never saw the man play.

From 1967 to 1972, even with two bad knees, he was the BEST QB in the game, hands down.

Ask Vince Lombardi, Bill Walsh, Don Shula, or John Madden.

[afosomf]

Tarkenton wasn't a young, good looking dude playing in the media capital of the world who's personality could help sell Rozelle's vision of a merger and the NFL as the world class business. Just sayin'.

I know you love Joe Namath.....as much as I love Troy Brown. I get it. I do.

get a better google will ya before you blindly post

Frannie played in NY for Gints b4 Minn

[PatriotReign37]

Yep.

And every QB needed a cannon arm because there was no West Coast Offense. As such, passes were thrown deeper on a regular basis than today which increased the chance of an INT and a lower completion %.

If Peyton Manning had to throw 20+ yards on every drop back he'd have a ton of INTs too. It was simply a different game.

Yes, it was a different game.

Defenses werent as complex as they are today. A team lined up in 1 defense the entire game. If Namath played today he would be Clemens.

[afosomf]

Yes, it was a different game.

Defenses werent as complex as they are today. A team lined up in 1 defense the entire game. If Namath played today he would be Clemens.

you can't be serious.........

[ECURB]

Yes, it was a different game.

Defenses werent as complex as they are today. A team lined up in 1 defense the entire game. If Namath played today he would be Clemens.

Actually the HGH and such available would have helped heal his knees and extended his career...

[JoeWillie]

Interesting....

So explain the QB's of that era that did not throw nearly as many picks, had a higher completion percentage, yards per throw, etc. For example, Fran Tarkenton. Oh - I know, nimble feet. LOL@!

Joe Namath became an NY icon because NY Jets fans - and NY'ers - forced it. You guys are rude like that.

He's 'gotta be one of the most over-rated QB's of all time....on paper. Like I said, never saw him play and neither did most you.

I saw him play.

I've said this before in a past thread, so I'll paste it in here.

An appreciation for how good Joe Namath really was can not be found in any statistics.

It really is very difficult to appreciate what kind of player he was and what he meant to football if you didn't live through that period and actually get to see him play.

First of all, he played in a period where it was much more difficult to throw the ball. Pass defense rules for defensive backs back in the 60's and 70's were much more in favor of the defense than it is now. It was much more difficult for receivers to "get open" and as a result, there were more interceptions per pass attempt, period.

There were also no rules preventing QB's from being hit, like there are now.

There were no domes or turf fields in those days, so games were played under much more adverse conditions.

There was no systematic short passing system like the West Coast offense, so most of Namath's attempts were of the "downfield variety". In fact, Namath averaged about 14.6 yards per completion, which is one of the highest, if not the highest, in the history of the league. Check out this stat compared to other Namath contemporaries:

Namath - 14.6

Unitas - 14.2

Dawson - 13.9

Starr - 13.6

And a few other more modern guys ...

Marino - 12.3

Manning - 12.0

Montana - 11.8

I'm not a big stat guy, but I'm just using this particular statistic to help illustrate how the passing game was different back then and why that style did open up quarterbacks of that era to more interceptions than the one's that play today. In fact, if you go back and compare QB's of that era to today's QB's and look at the ATT/TD/INT ratios of both, you'll notice that the quarterbacks of the 60's and 70's threw more interceptions in general, mostly due to some of what I describe above.

Now, couple all that with the fact that Namath played for the entire second half of his career on two of the worst legs ever and because of the Jet's cheapness in the early 70's, on some of the worst teams ever. I'm not talking bad teams, I'm talking terrible teams, who's only real offensive threat was Namath. When you found yourself down 3 touchdowns at the half, as the Jets frequently did back in those days, it's alot easier to play pass defense.

Also bear in mind that Namath played in one of the worst stadiums in the league for his entire career. Shea Stadium holds alot of great memories for Jet fans, but for a QB, with it's high swirling winds, it was not a place conducive to passing the football.

Lastly, keep in mind that Namath played his ENTIRE career without a great running back at his disposal. Now Matt Snell and Emerson Boozer were good players, but let's face it, you'd be hardpressed to find fans outside of NY that have even heard of these guys.

Roger Staubach had Tony Dorsett, Tony Hill, and Drew Pearson.

Terry Bradshaw had Franco Harris, Lynn Swann, John Stallworth.

Joe Montana had Roger Craig, Jerry Rice and John Taylor.

Peyton Manning had Edgerrin James along with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne.

Namath had Maynard for about 8 seasons and that's it.

True you can say the same for Brady, Marino, Elway, and Favre, none of which had great RB's either, but these are possibly 4 of the top 5 QB's to ever play, in any era.

As I said, it's tough to find the beauty of Namath in statistics. It was a different game back then.

Was he the best QB of all-time over the course of his career compared to others? No.

But in his prime, over a period of about 5 seasons, he was the most prolific, exciting player in the game, and if I could take any QB in their prime for one game to win, it would be him.

It's also been written that Vince Lomdardi told some that he would loved to have had the opportunity to coach Namath. Called him the best passer of his time.

Bill Walsh called Namath the most beautiful, stylish passer with the quickest release he's ever seen.

John Madden said he was the only opposing QB he ever feared as a coach, and that when the Raiders played the Jets, the entire defensive game plan revolved around stopping Namath and Namath only. Also called him one of the most courageous PLAYERS he's ever seen.

Al Davis was awed by Namath's talent. Said the "sucker plays like he's always going down hill".

Don Shula said Namath had the quickest release of any quarterback who's ever played and also called him one of the top 3 smartest quarterbacks of all-time.

Bear Bryant called Namath the "the greatest athlete he ever coached".

And other quarterbacks like Terry Bradshaw, Jim Kelly, Vinny Testaverde, and Joe Montana all say Namath was their boyhood idol.

I'll stop there.

But I think we all get the picture ... he was pretty darn good.

[PatriotReign37]

you can't be serious.........

Yup, the players are better today too.

Bigger, smarter, stronger, et al.

[afosomf]

Yup, the players are better today too.

Bigger, smarter, stronger, et al.

the rules today have favored the O in every way possible

do you watch football?or do you just do poor google searches like garb?

[PatriotReign37]

Lastly, keep in mind that Namath played his ENTIRE career without a great running back at his disposal. Now Matt Snell and Emerson Boozer were good players, but let's face it, you'd be hardpressed to find fans outside of NY that have even heard of these guys.

I have.

Namath played with John Riggins too. All those RB's went to Pro Bowls, so they couldnt have been too bad. Rich Caster went to Pro Bowls and George Sauer was a good player too.

[Irish Jet]

Yup, the players are better today too.

Bigger, smarter, stronger, et al.

What? Only on the defensive side of the ball?

This also applies to RB's, WR's, OL etc. Namath would have been in a better situation for QB's nowadays. Rule changes have favoured offenses more than defenses to a much greater extent over the years.