Jet Moses Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 GOODNESS GRACIOUS!!! Bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Yep. Santana > Sabathia and it isn't even close. As of right now, no one is close to Santana other than Greinke down in KC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 GOODNESS GRACIOUS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 I said right from the start of this thread-this comparison was a joke! Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 But you know if CC was 3-1 Omar bashers would be saying "we should have signed him" instead of saying "we should have signed Lowe". Hindsight is 20/20 and so convenient. th ereaosn you don't hear me ranting that omar shoudl have signed cc is because i'm realistic and i know there was no way we had 2 pitchers maming that much money for that length of time on our roster. not because i wouldn't have wanted him........i say lowe because it is actually realistic. so quit crying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 FINALLY. Bout time us Yankee fans could say something good about CC. Looking forward to posting in this thread again in 5 days. Go Yanx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 FINALLY. Bout time us Yankee fans could say something good about CC. Looking forward to posting in this thread again in 5 days. Go Yanx. Agreed. Although Johan is still the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Agreed. Although Johan is still the man. I don't think anyone is doubting that. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 I don't think anyone is doubting that. lol Where's TD with some obscure stat? BUT CC IS BETTER HIS WHIP AND VORP WARP SPEED DRIVE IS LOWER THEN SANTANA'S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 FINALLY. Bout time us Yankee fans could say something good about CC. Looking forward to posting in this thread again in 5 days. Go Yanx. CC was awesome tonight. Let's hope he keeps it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Where's TD with some obscure stat? BUT CC IS BETTER HIS WHIP AND VORP WARP SPEED DRIVE IS LOWER THEN SANTANA'S Umm...yeah, no. Sabathia is obviously better than Santana, and if you think otherwise, you are stupid. Sabathia's career numbers on May 8th are head and shoulders better than Santana. So you're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeebers Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Where's TD with some obscure stat? BUT CC IS BETTER HIS WHIP AND VORP WARP SPEED DRIVE IS LOWER THEN SANTANA'S I doubt TD is coming back. He left JN for the same reason he left JI to come here in the first place. Anyway, welcome to the discussion CC. The O's are a ****ty team but have an excellent offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 I doubt TD is coming back. He left JN for the same reason he left JI to come here in the first place. Anyway, welcome to the discussion CC. The O's are a ****ty team but have an excellent offense. Jones and Markakis are there to stay. I think the Orioles want those two to be the face(s) of the franchise for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Santana > CC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 I think it is closer than people in this thread are making it seem. The career stats are pretty even. Johan is having a better year so far and is the better pitcher imo but not by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 I think it is closer than people in this thread are making it seem. The career stats are pretty even. Johan is having a better year so far and is the better pitcher imo but not by far. actually it's really not that close to even....santana has the better career numbers by a good margin. santana: wins - 113 era - 3.06 win % - .685 k - 1641 era+ - 147 whip - 1.098 h/9 - 7.4 k/9 - 9.3 k/bb - 3.74 johan has won 2 cy youngs and has also won the triple crown (which is quite an accomplishment). sabathia: wins - 119 era - 3.66 win% - .610 k - 1425 era+ - 121 whip - 1.243 h/9 - 8.3 k/9 - 7.5 k/bb - 2.64 sabathia has won the cy young once. more than a half run better era is significant. actually the difference in every category but total wins is significant. so only thing close is wins.....but sabathia has started 261 games compared to johans 215...and has also pitched 1707.1 innings compared to johan's 1582.2 which makes the discrepency in k's even more dominating....given that if innings and games started were even the numbers for johan would look more like this: wins: 179 k - 1771 which is again not even close. sabathia has been very good.....santana has been alot better and it's not really even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 actually it's really not that close to even....santana has the better career numbers by a good margin. santana: wins - 113 era - 3.06 win % - .685 k - 1641 era+ - 147 whip - 1.098 h/9 - 7.4 k/9 - 9.3 k/bb - 3.74 johan has won 2 cy youngs and has also won the triple crown (which is quite an accomplishment). sabathia: wins - 119 era - 3.66 win% - .610 k - 1425 era+ - 121 whip - 1.243 h/9 - 8.3 k/9 - 7.5 k/bb - 2.64 sabathia has won the cy young once. more than a half run better era is significant. actually the difference in every category but total wins is significant. so only thing close is wins.....but sabathia has started 261 games compared to johans 215...and has also pitched 1707.1 innings compared to johan's 1582.2 which makes the discrepency in k's even more dominating....given that if innings and games started were even the numbers for johan would look more like this: wins: 179 k - 1771 which is again not even close. sabathia has been very good.....santana has been alot better and it's not really even close. Johan has always played in 291 games. In which he did not start. In which he got those extra 200 k's over sabatthia. C.C. has more inning pitched and more complete games by far. 28 to 9. Shutout's 11-6. Johan is a better pitcher. I just think it is closer than you think. Johan is having the better year by far. I will give you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Umm...yeah, no. Sabathia is obviously better than Santana, and if you think otherwise, you are stupid. Sabathia's career numbers on May 8th are head and shoulders better than Santana. So you're wrong. I'm a Yankee fan and I'm disagreeing with you, big time. C.C. Sabathia Games (Started): 261 Wins: 119 Losses: 76 IP: 1707.1 Earned Runs: 695 ERA: 3.66 Johan Santana Games (Started): 215 Wins: 113 Losses: 52 IP: 1582.2 Earned Runs: 538 ERA: 3.06 Where as Johan has dominated both the AL & NL, C.C. has still continued to find 10x better the success in the NL. Take out the NL stats for both and C.C. has over a 4 ERA, ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 124- My comment was a joke. I was pretending to be Tyler Durden lol. I know Johan is better than CC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Johan has always played in 291 games. In which he did not start. In which he got those extra 200 k's over sabatthia. C.C. has more inning pitched and more complete games by far. 28 to 9. Shutout's 11-6. Johan is a better pitcher. I just think it is closer than you think. Johan is having the better year by far. I will give you that. this logic is kinda flawed. only reason johan was in more "games" is because he was a relief pitcher early on. games started is a much better comparison... or win % and era/whip. k/9 and k/bb are a good measaure of hitter dominance....also baa. it's not really close. complete games and shut outs are nice i guess....but are relatively meaningless. it's ok to "think" it's closer but show me the numbers to prove it otherwise it's just a biased opinion. the numbers don't lie. johan is just a more dominant pitcher than sabathia. it's nothing against sabathia.....johan is just the best pitcher in mlb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 this logic is kinda flawed. only reason johan was in more "games" is because he was a relief pitcher early on. games started is a much better comparison... or win % and era/whip. k/9 and k/bb are a good measaure of hitter dominance....also baa. it's not really close. complete games and shut outs are nice i guess....but are relatively meaningless. it's ok to "think" it's closer but show me the numbers to prove it otherwise it's just a biased opinion. the numbers don't lie. johan is just a more dominant pitcher than sabathia. it's nothing against sabathia.....johan is just the best pitcher in mlb. I agree with you that he is. Johan is the best. C.C. is still up there in the top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeebers Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 I agree with you that he is. Johan is the best. C.C. is still up there in the top 10. Top 10 for sure, just not in Johan's class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Johan last night: 6.1 IP 7H 1BB 6K's 0ER and a loss to boot. Pitched very well on a night he did not have his best fastball. Defense was horrific. I thought Manuel pulled him too soon but after listening to him today on his reasoning I can't kill him. 0.78 ERA , 60K's in 46 IP with 4ER allowed for the season yet he's only 4-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Johan last night: 6.1 IP 7H 1BB 6K's 0ER and a loss to boot. Pitched very well on a night he did not have his best fastball. Defense was horrific. I thought Manuel pulled him too soon but after listening to him today on his reasoning I can't kill him. 0.78 ERA , 60K's in 46 IP with 4ER allowed for the season yet he's only 4-2. That just shows how wins are a useless stat for pitchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Monzino Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 That just shows how wins are a useless stat for pitchers. I wouldn't say useless. That's a strong word. Not as powerful a stat as many believe, but not useless. Bad pitchers don't win 20 games in a season. Or 300 in a career. Those numbers tell you how often a guy puts his team in position to win, which is obviously the most important thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergen Jet Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 CC had another good start. ERA down to 3.70 and his WHIP down to 1.21. He is still not putting up the strikeouts and is still walking too many batters. He is starting to look like the pitcher the Yankees thought they signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 CC had another good start. ERA down to 3.70 and his WHIP down to 1.21. He is still not putting up the strikeouts and is still walking too many batters. He is starting to look like the pitcher the Yankees thought they signed. the guy is just a slow starter......the laws of inertia are not in his favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 4ER for Johan in a rough start but gets the W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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