Chiefs reject Falcons trade offer for Gonzalez

[Irish Jet]

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/4...cons-offer-for

Frank Boal of FOX4 in Kansas City is reporting the Kansas City Chiefs have rejected a trade offer from the Atlanta Falcons for tight end Tony Gonzalez. The offer was for the Falcons' 55th overall pick according to Michael Lombardi of the National Football Post.

*Boal rarely breaks news about the Chiefs and the rest of the mainstream media hasn't picked up on this yet so we're certainly going to continue following this story until we can get another confirmation.

I think this trade will go through eventually. It would be a good pickup for the Falcons and I would not look forward to playing them next season.

[afosomf]

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/4...cons-offer-for

I think this trade will go through eventually. It would be a good pickup for the Falcons and I would not look forward to playing them next season.

you have to be kidding me

chefs tuned that down for an Old TE?

Peeoli...oh my

[Irish Jet]

you have to be kidding me

chefs tuned that down for an Old TE?

Peeoli...oh my

The Chiefs are mess IMO.

I'm not buying the BS that they're going to improve drastically now that they have Cassell on board. Cassell is overrated and he's going to find that playing for KC is a whole lot different than playing for the Patriots.

Turning down a 2nd rounder for Gonzo is a bad move. Maybe they're holding out for a higher offer, which if they get I'll admit will be impressive. Tony G does not want to play for the Chiefs anymore though, the guy wants to win.

[afosomf]

The Chiefs are mess IMO.

I'm not buying the BS that they're going to improve drastically now that they have Cassell on board. Cassell is overrated and he's going to find that playing for KC is a whole lot different than playing for the Patriots.

Turning down a 2nd rounder for Gonzo is a bad move. Maybe they're holding out for a higher offer, which if they get I'll admit will be impressive. Tony G does not want to play for the Chiefs anymore though, the guy wants to win.

No one will trade a #1 pick for an Old TE

maybe they have a deal with NE in place.....favor for cassel trade

[PatriotReign37]

No one will trade a #1 pick for an Old TE

maybe they have a deal with NE in place.....favor for cassel trade

Thats what I think.

[Ghost]

you have to be kidding me

chefs tuned that down for an Old TE?

Peeoli...oh my

KC might be in rebuilding mode but they probably think they have a chance to make the playoffs.

[Irish Jet]

Thats what I think.

There's absolutely no way that Pioli is that stupid.

You're seriously telling me they'd accept a lesser offer from an AFC TEAM to repay a favor?

Get a ****ing clue!

[afosomf]

KC might be in rebuilding mode but they probably think they have a chance to make the playoffs.

LOL good one

[Ghost]

LOL good one

That's what people said about the Falcons.

[Vengeful Odin]

That's pretty good value for an aging HOF TE, really ... it's a second round pick ... mid-to-late round, but still second round.

It's basically identical compensation to what Washington gave up last year in the Jason Taylor trade ... a guy similar in terms of where he was at in his career.

I dunno ... if I'm KC I find it hard to not make this deal.

[Sperm Edwards]

KC has too many young guys as it is - they drafted a dozen guys last year alone (in addition to the UDFA's and other teams' castoffs that all teams scoop up here & there). That team needs veterans - GOOD ones - more than a shot at a single late 2nd-rounder at #55.

Rebuilding doesn't mean purge your roster of every veteran player when they can be flipped for a draft pick. Do that & you'll be rebuilding for a lot longer.

At some point you have to start filling holes instead of digging new ones.

[PatriotReign37]

There's absolutely no way that Pioli is that stupid.

You're seriously telling me they'd accept a lesser offer from an AFC TEAM to repay a favor?

Get a ****ing clue!

How do you know that there isnt a deal in stone with NE and KC is just doing its due diligence?

The 55th pick is only valued @ 350. http://www.jetnation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74142&highlight=draft+value+chartYou dont know if NE has offered more than 1 pick that exceeds the value of 350.

But keep talking outa your Irish Arse.

[PatriotReign37]

KC has too many young guys as it is - they drafted a dozen guys last year alone (in addition to the UDFA's and other teams' castoffs that all teams scoop up here & there). That team needs veterans - GOOD ones - more than a shot at a single late 2nd-rounder at #55.

Rebuilding doesn't mean purge your roster of every veteran player when they can be flipped for a draft pick. Do that & you'll be rebuilding for a lot longer.

At some point you have to start filling holes instead of digging new ones.

A lifelong Chiefs fan just called me and said "Gonzalez wants the F out of KC." The fans are sick of him as well.

[Thai Jet]

No one will trade a #1 pick for an Old TE

maybe they have a deal with NE in place.....favor for cassel trade

I doubt they can do better than a 2nd rounder. Time will tell.

[Irish Jet]

How do you know that there isnt a deal in stone with NE and KC is just doing its due diligence?

The 55th pick is only valued @ 350. http://www.jetnation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74142&highlight=draft+value+chartYou dont know if NE has offered more than 1 pick that exceeds the value of 350.

But keep talking outa your Irish Arse.

No, in that case the reason that they'd be trading him is because NE would be offering more whether it's a higher pick or more picks. No way do they accept it out of a "favor" like your earlier post implied.

The fact of the matter is this: KC will not accept a lesser offer from New England. No chance!

If they do, Pioli should be shot.

[Thai Jet]

How do you know that there isnt a deal in stone with NE and KC is just doing its due diligence?

The 55th pick is only valued @ 350. http://www.jetnation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74142&highlight=draft+value+chartYou dont know if NE has offered more than 1 pick that exceeds the value of 350.

But keep talking outa your Irish Arse.

No wonder you're so popular around here.

[Thai Jet]

No, in that case the reason that they'd be trading him is because NE would be offering more whether it's a higher pick or more picks. No way do they accept it out of a "favor" like your earlier post implied.

The fact of the matter is this: KC will not accept a lesser offer from New England. No chance!

If they do, Pioli should be shot.

Never say never when the Cheaters are involved IJ.

[Sperm Edwards]

A lifelong Chiefs fan just called me and said "Gonzalez wants the F out of KC." The fans are sick of him as well.

If your goal was to get a ring, and Herm Edwards was your coach for 3 years, followed by what appears to be another rebuilding year, wouldn't you want out also?

He's been to 3 playoff games, all losses, in the 12 seasons since he got drafted. Now compound that with the way Carl Peterson dicked around with him with Green Bay last year.

That being said, at least his screams are not for more money type of garbage that makes the average fan nauseas. He sees 25 year-old veteran star talent that the team developed, like Jared Allen, moved for draft picks. There isn't any better example of a franchise saying, "We are not contenders and are not going to pretend to be."

I think he just wants to play for a winner more than he wants out of KC per se. If KC was a legit contender here in the '09 preseason he likely wouldn't want to go anywhere.

Then there's that other thing: your friend just might not speak for all Chiefs fans, even if it's the opinion shared by thousands of others.

[PFSIKH]

KC has too many young guys as it is - they drafted a dozen guys last year alone (in addition to the UDFA's and other teams' castoffs that all teams scoop up here & there). That team needs veterans - GOOD ones - more than a shot at a single late 2nd-rounder at #55.

Rebuilding doesn't mean purge your roster of every veteran player when they can be flipped for a draft pick. Do that & you'll be rebuilding for a lot longer.

At some point you have to start filling holes instead of digging new ones.

I think you are spot on.

I would think the Chiefs want a player that can actually play. Not even a great one, but someone with a track record. A solid veteran. Versus a late second that might on a chance be good.

[Thai Jet]

I think he just wants to play for a winner more than he wants out of KC per se. If KC was a legit contender here in the '09 preseason he likely wouldn't want to go anywhere.

Then there's that other thing: your friend just might not speak for all Chiefs fans, even if it's the opinion shared by thousands of others.

Wouldn't you ? He knows he's on borrowed time here for getting a ring.

[PatriotReign37]

If your goal was to get a ring, and Herm Edwards was your coach for 3 years, followed by what appears to be another rebuilding year, wouldn't you want out also?

Yup

He's been to 3 playoff games, all losses, in the 12 seasons since he got drafted. Now compound that with the way Carl Peterson dicked around with him with Green Bay last year.

That being said, at least his screams are not for more money type of garbage that makes the average fan nauseas. He sees 25 year-old veteran star talent that the team developed, like Jared Allen, moved for draft picks. There isn't any better example of a franchise saying, "We are not contenders and are not going to pretend to be."

But, Jared Allen wanted more money in a big contract after at least 2 DUI's. IIRC, he is still 1 more offense away from a 1 year long suspension. Allen demanded a trade after not getting his way.

I think he just wants to play for a winner more than he wants out of KC per se. If KC was a legit contender here in the '09 preseason he likely wouldn't want to go anywhere.

Haley and Pioli are proving to be Pricks. The days of player axx kissing by the KC coaching staff and FO are gone.

Haley told Bryan Waters 5 minutes into meeting him that "22 guys of the street could win 2 games." Pioli took away L Johnsons future bonus money away.

Then there's that other thing: your friend just might not speak for all Chiefs fans, even if it's the opinion shared by thousands of others.

I get the feeling that the majority of KC fans wouldnt care if he was gone.

After winning 2 games last season with Carl Peterson, KC fans are ready to move on. During the whole miserable season Gonzalez complained that Herm didnt let him break Shannons Sharpes record at KC vs Denver. That rubbed a lot of fans the wrong way as well as wanting to be traded.

[Sperm Edwards]

I'm not even saying they were wrong for moving Allen, given his contract size. $12M per year for a DE with two strikes against him is absurd. I'm merely putting out there how Gonzo might be seeing things.

Whether it was overpaying or not, when a team wins 3 games & then trades away a player of his caliber for draft picks, the remaining players on the roster see what is on the horizon for the next year or two.

What I am not saying is that I feel sympathy for him. No one held a gun to his head & made him sign an extension with Kansas City 3 days after Herm was officially in as the KC head coach. He has 3 years left on his 5 year contract extension. If he wants to return 60% of his current contract's bonus money, I'm sure KC will accommodate his request and trade him to Atlanta or Green Bay or wherever.

[Jet Moses]

I have nothing to add, I'm just postwhoring for VCASH.

[PFSIKH]

I'm not even saying they were wrong for moving Allen, given his contract size. $12M per year for a DE with two strikes against him is absurd. I'm merely putting out there how Gonzo might be seeing things.

Whether it was overpaying or not, when a team wins 3 games & then trades away a player of his caliber for draft picks, the remaining players on the roster see what is on the horizon for the next year or two.

What I am not saying is that I feel sympathy for him. No one held a gun to his head & made him sign an extension with Kansas City 3 days after Herm was officially in as the KC head coach. He has 3 years left on his 5 year contract extension. If he wants to return 60% of his current contract's bonus money, I'm sure KC will accommodate his request and trade him to Atlanta or Green Bay or wherever.

The salary cap is not an issue for the Chiefs. They have like 35 million to play with. I think it is more to the point covered earlier. They probably want a body.

Again, getting rid of Gonzalez for a draft pick benefits Gonzalez and his new team, but does nothing for the Chiefs now. Especially seeing they traded for a young QB to build around.

I could see him being moved, but in return they would want a young receiver that is proven and can be paired with Bowe.

[Blackout]

smart move

[green_blood]

id just keep gonzo. they need at least one offensive playmaker and Cassel will need all the help he can get.

[Thai Jet]

I have nothing to add, I'm just postwhoring for VCASH.

[Blackout]

post whores

[Klecko73isGod]

you have to be kidding me

chefs tuned that down for an Old TE?

Peeoli...oh my

Well, Pioli has a track record of loving really old players.

Which makes it somewhat surprising that he got rid of Herm as they share a love for incredible ancient players.

[afosomf]

Well, Pioli has a track record of loving really old players.

Which makes it somewhat surprising that he got rid of Herm as they share a love for incredible ancient players.

did u see chefs schedule

he needs to get young fast...they are not winning with Gonzo

Peeoli is an arseclown IMO

[PFSIKH]

did u see chefs schedule

he needs to get young fast...they are not winning with Gonzo

Peeoli is an arseclown IMO

It is a hard schedule.

Which is more reason to not sabotage one investment (Cassell) by trading one of your few offensive assets for a draft pick.

How does getting young by acquiring a late 2nd round pick and trading your best offensive asset improve your winning chances? It does not.

Maybe if the Chiefs were in salary cap trouble they could justify getting rid of him. They have about 35 million to play with.

Pioli is approaching it right. Hold out until Gonzalez comes back or you get a deal favorable to your team which will include a proven veteran. If the Falcons gave up Michael Jenkins and a later draft pick it would make sense to the Chiefs.

[afosomf]

It is a hard schedule.

Which is more reason to not sabotage one investment (Cassell) by trading one of your few offensive assets for a draft pick.

How does getting young by acquiring a late 2nd round pick and trading your best offensive asset improve your winning chances? It does not.

Maybe if the Chiefs were in salary cap trouble they could justify getting rid of him. They have about 35 million to play with.

Pioli is approaching it right. Hold out until Gonzalez comes back or you get a deal favorable to your team which will include a proven veteran. If the Falcons gave up Michael Jenkins and a later draft pick it would make sense to the Chiefs.

Tony G is 33, he will not command that type of compensation, a 2nd rd pick

is a steal for chefs...they need to get young...with or without him 4-12 at

best.

[PatriotReign37]

Tony G is 33, he will not command that type of compensation, a 2nd rd pick

is a steal for chefs...they need to get young...with or without him 4-12 at

best.

KC will do better than 4 - 12.

The last 6 games of the KC schedule: SD, Denver x 2, Cin, Buffalo and Cleveland. 3 of those games are at home. 3 - 4 of those games are winnable.

Hopefully, a deal is already in place for TG to land in NE.

[PFSIKH]

Tony G is 33, he will not command that type of compensation, a 2nd rd pick

is a steal for chefs...they need to get young...with or without him 4-12 at

best.

Really?

The Jets gave up a 3rd rounder for a 39yo QB. It could have been a first rounder.

The Chiefs do not need to get younger. They are young. They have 39 players 25yo or younger. They need veterans.

The Chiefs deal from the position of strength. They have cap room and Tony G has three years remaining on his contract.

Getting only a 2nd rounder does nothing for the Chiefs and makes them significantly weaker. Unless they get a decent player in return it is a stupid move.

[afosomf]

Really?

The Jets gave up a 3rd rounder for a 39yo QB. It could have been a first rounder.

The Chiefs do not need to get younger. They are young. They have 39 players 25yo or younger. They need veterans.

The Chiefs deal from the position of strength. They have cap room and Tony G has three years remaining on his contract.

Getting only a 2nd rounder does nothing for the Chiefs and makes them significantly weaker. Unless they get a decent player in return it is a stupid move.

you think this team will contend in next 3 years.....

lol