nycdan Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Just the NY games or every game? Don't laugh but I really believe what Craig Carton had to say about this. His thought was that the Giants called and got their request but the Jets never realized it so they never called and hence, they didn't get it. Just think about it for a second. As much as the NFL may have a bias against the Jets they still do not want to make one of their top owners look like a dope that didn't realize how many Jews make up his fan base. Plus the explanation, what was it... the call "didn't go through"? WTF is that supposed to mean? What the hell did the Jets do, they only called once, got a busy signal and never bothered to call again? There's only 32 teams in the league that could call him last time I checked, we couldn't get in touch? I'm not a season ticket guy so I don't know how this works, I'm not sure whether people already forked over the cash for their tickets but if they did then yeah that sucks. Observant Jews should not have to pay for those tickets or they should work something special out with them. That's definitely not cool. Absolutely, 1 and 1 that's fine. What I'm confused about is that the NFL never realized on its own that this could be a problem. They should have seen it coming. But now because the schedule has been released it makes it so much harder to work around this. And don't forget there are Jews in places besides New York! If we're gonna consider the NY ones we should at least take the others into consideration. Carton's stirring up sh!t wherever he can to keep us from realizing he's a waste of airtime. But I digress... This isn't and should never have been a Jewish vs. Catholic thing. This is a Jets vs. Giants thing. There is no secret about this stuff, and the NFL schedulers should have absolutely split the home games. Now they get to say 'oops - too late!'. Jets organization and fans who are affected have every right to be pissed. If I were forced to pay for something only to find out I can't use 25% of it, I'd be pissed too. If the NFL moves the second game to 1pm, there will be a whole load of idiots screaming about "Jews get preference" when really, it's absolutely the least the NFL should (and probably the most they can) do. I am appalled by some of the attitudes I have seen regarding this issue when really, the NFL deserves the bad rap on this....not the Jets, and not the Jewish fans who complained. By the way....I heard the Giants "requested both weeks to be away games". Doesn't that smack of being a little f-cking arrogant as opposed to agreeing to split them with their co-tenants? How come nobody has called out the Giants for that? At least we should all be able to agree on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillie Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 I'm not Jewish and I'm not terribly effected by the two home games during these holidays. However, I think many here are missing the point and frankly the ignorance and lack of respect from many on this board is somewhat disturbing. It's not a question of whos' right or who's wrong, even though clearly it's the NFL that screwed this up. Bottom line is that the NFL and it's franchises, like all professional sports, are in the ENTERTAINMENT business. Their industry exists and they are as successful as they are because it thrives on people WATCHING their product and they've done an exceptional job marketing their product. If you're selling a product, you want to make it as "available " as you can to as many people as you can. You don't want to make it impossible for a large portion of your constituency to buy (watch) it, especially in the league's biggest city. It's called "good business". It just so happens that New York is more effected by this decision because it has, by far, the largest population of Jews in the country and this particular religion is a bit more prohibitive on this particular holiday than say the Catholic religion on Christmas Day. It's astonishing to me how many people on this board just don't get it. It's not that complicated, folks. As I said, I think, in this one case, considering the circumstances, they should "bite the bullet", and schedule both the Giants and Jets for 1:00pm that day. At the end of the day, I'd be surprised if that didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Lew Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 The biggest possible change the NFL could do is to switch the Tennessee game from 4:15pm to 1pm, thats it. That is the only thing Woody Johnson requested in his letter to the Commish tonight as well. We'll see what happens. I for one hope nothing changes 124, Why do you hope that nothing changes? It is because some people are trying to benefit from something that doesnt directly benefit you? Obviously I dont know who you go to the games with, but if one of your boys was Jewish and couldnt go to the game unless it was switched to 1 would you hope that it changed then? Whether you realized it or not your post is innocent example of a much bigger problem. When it come to religion people become so competitive for no reason at all. If one religion is getting a break it becomes a battle to see who can get more and people who have no real reason to have a preference decide stand in the way. Yom Kippur is the highest holy day in Judism. It is comparable to Easter yet on Easter everything is closed (unike Yom Kippur) I dont go around yelling in opposition of everything being closed because I understand it and more importantly I respect it. The disappointing thing is that most people agree with your sentiments 124.... and that leads to much bigger issues than missing Jets games.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Just the NY games or every game? What I'm confused about is that the NFL never realized on its own that this could be a problem. They should have seen it coming. But now because the schedule has been released it makes it so much harder to work around this. And don't forget there are Jews in places besides New York! If we're gonna consider the NY ones we should at least take the others into consideration. NY has the largest Jewish population in the US. Its an issue since you will be impacting a lot of their customers. In New England or Kansas City the Jewish community is much smaller so the impact will be less, and quite honestly, it doesnt matter if you upset them. And I agree. Its too late to make a real change. Hopefully next time they will keep this in mind. Of course if we had our own stadium we wouldnt have this problem as both teams could be on the road at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Boy what a astonishing revelation. You got to draw a line in the sand and stand up for what you believe in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 You got to draw a line in the sand and stand up for what you believe in. Sometimes I like to sit on my hand until it gets warm and give myself a stranger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Sometimes I like to sit on my hand until it gets warm and give myself a stranger. Me? I visit my girlfriend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Me? I visit my girlfriend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I just can't help but laugh at the irony of people not wating to sacrifice on a religious holiday that calls for......sacrifice lol. The NFL knows full well all impacts financially of scheduling games when they do. They only factor monetary considerations, not religious ones. That's the way it should be. If they felt it was really gonna hit them in their wallet to schedule games on Jewish, Christian, Muslim, or any other religious holiday then they wouldn't do so. The NFL can't please everyone all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Lew Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I just can't help but laugh at the irony of people not wating to sacrifice on a religious holiday that calls for......sacrifice lol. Boozer, Not sure if youve seen this already but Yom Kippur doesnt begin until sundown on sunday night. I agree that if you feel strongly enough about it you can begin early, but thats not what is expected. If it was on Saturday you would be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I just can't help but laugh at the irony of people not wating to sacrifice on a religious holiday that calls for......sacrifice lol. The NFL knows full well all impacts financially of scheduling games when they do. They only factor monetary considerations, not religious ones. That's the way it should be. If they felt it was really gonna hit them in their wallet to schedule games on Jewish, Christian, Muslim, or any other religious holiday then they wouldn't do so. The NFL can't please everyone all the time. Just something else to bitch about. Im sure most Jewish Jets fans just went Meh and will deal with it. Its a small minority who wants to be heard and be pissed about it-and the media making a big deal out of it-just google it and the amount of articles & blogs about this is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I'll make sure she sees this before you come and visit in July. BTW, she has much less fur. I sheared her last weekend before I brought her to NY to meet the family for Easter (where I shunned all sports!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris66 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Just the NY games or every game? Don't laugh but I really believe what Craig Carton had to say about this. His thought was that the Giants called and got their request but the Jets never realized it so they never called and hence, they didn't get it. Just think about it for a second. As much as the NFL may have a bias against the Jets they still do not want to make one of their top owners look like a dope that didn't realize how many Jews make up his fan base. Plus the explanation, what was it... the call "didn't go through"? WTF is that supposed to mean? What the hell did the Jets do, they only called once, got a busy signal and never bothered to call again? There's only 32 teams in the league that could call him last time I checked, we couldn't get in touch? I'm not a season ticket guy so I don't know how this works, I'm not sure whether people already forked over the cash for their tickets but if they did then yeah that sucks. Observant Jews should not have to pay for those tickets or they should work something special out with them. That's definitely not cool. Absolutely, 1 and 1 that's fine. What I'm confused about is that the NFL never realized on its own that this could be a problem. They should have seen it coming. But now because the schedule has been released it makes it so much harder to work around this. And don't forget there are Jews in places besides New York! If we're gonna consider the NY ones we should at least take the others into consideration. See. now if Bob Kraft was your owner there wouldn't be an issue right now. Pats have a home 1pm game on the 27th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsJetsJets Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Yom Kippur is the equivalent of Midnight Mass in the Christian Religion, do you think Christians would be outraged if the NFL scheduled the Jets or any team to play at 11PM on Christmas eve? well considering New York is the largest Jewish sports market and probably 10-25 percent of all season ticket holders are Jewish, I dont think it is a horrible request to ask to change the game from 4PM to 1PM, this is especially true since a week before you have the 2nd holiest day in the Jewish religion which many Jews wont be attending because of it yes religion is nuts and in a few hundred years they will laugh at our practices, but now since people are brainwashed you should accomodate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
war ensemble Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Yom Kippur is the equivalent of Midnight Mass in the Christian Religion, do you think Christians would be outraged if the NFL scheduled the Jets or any team to play at 11PM on Christmas eve? well considering New York is the largest Jewish sports market and probably 10-25 percent of all season ticket holders are Jewish, I dont think it is a horrible request to ask to change the game from 4PM to 1PM, this is especially true since a week before you have the 2nd holiest day in the Jewish religion which many Jews wont be attending because of it yes religion is nuts and in a few hundred years they will laugh at our practices, but now since people are brainwashed you should accomodate In fairness to the Jews, Yom Kippur is a much bigger time commitment than just Midnight Mass. Mass is a one hour thing, while during Yom Kippur Jews can't use any electronics for 24 hours, must fast for that whole time, etc. atoning for sins. It requires much more discipline than any Christian holiday--most consist of feasts anyways. That's why Christians don't mind Christmas football while Jews might mind the Tom Kippur game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Its a small minority who wants to be heard and be pissed about it-and the media making a big deal out of it-just google it and the amount of articles & blogs about this is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebabyny Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I understand that, but @ the same time... The NFL should not schedule games because of religious belief because if thats the case...They should play the games on Saturdays because Sunday is a religious day here in America. One time I had to go to Church from 10-4 with my family and guess what? I missed a Jets game and I spent over 200 for the NFL Season ticket...Cry me a river Sunday is NOT a religious day in the United States, this country was founded by people running away from state sponsored religion. Sunday is a christian day of religion. How is that latvian whore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Boozer, Not sure if youve seen this already but Yom Kippur doesnt begin until sundown on sunday night. I agree that if you feel strongly enough about it you can begin early, but thats not what is expected. If it was on Saturday you would be correct. So leave the game early and sacrifice before sundown. Now you're only sacrificing part of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Is that AEC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Can we stop the back and forth with this- if you are not part of a religion you are not a authority on it is the only comment I will make on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaumerJet Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Carton's stirring up sh!t wherever he can to keep us from realizing he's a waste of airtime. But I digress... This isn't and should never have been a Jewish vs. Catholic thing. This is a Jets vs. Giants thing. There is no secret about this stuff, and the NFL schedulers should have absolutely split the home games. Now they get to say 'oops - too late!'. Jets organization and fans who are affected have every right to be pissed. If I were forced to pay for something only to find out I can't use 25% of it, I'd be pissed too. If the NFL moves the second game to 1pm, there will be a whole load of idiots screaming about "Jews get preference" when really, it's absolutely the least the NFL should (and probably the most they can) do. I am appalled by some of the attitudes I have seen regarding this issue when really, the NFL deserves the bad rap on this....not the Jets, and not the Jewish fans who complained. By the way....I heard the Giants "requested both weeks to be away games". Doesn't that smack of being a little f-cking arrogant as opposed to agreeing to split them with their co-tenants? How come nobody has called out the Giants for that? At least we should all be able to agree on that. Um, I did - After It was part of my rant yesterday - And I like many other Jews have agreed that there is nothing wrong with the Patriots game being played in the last few hours of Rosh Hashanah. The Rant, just like with everyone deals with both Yom Kippur & the following - and I Quote: The issue at hand is that the NFL did not think & instead of making arrangements with JETS, GIANTS and the largest Jewish Community in the United States, they made adjustment only to the Giants - Leaving the Jewish fans of the New York Jets feeling the way that most Giants Fans treat all JETS fans - As their “Bastard Step-Child.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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