The way I see it...the Jets have two 1st Rd Picks

[GangGreen82]

No sadly I don't literally mean two 1st round draft picks but ...... We do have the 17th pick in the draft & many people are forgetting we also have last years 1st round pick Vernon Gholston (Bust so far).

If this guy does ANYTHING it'll be an added bonus to a defense that should be both impressive & very physical. Gholston was labeled as a 8-10 sack guy. Did he even have that many tackles last year ?

So if, big IF , Rex Ryan can work his magic the way he did with Terrell Suggs in Baltimore, then Gang Green should be in great shape. Again if Gholston does anything at all....it's just a bonus. I mean come on we took this guy 6th overall. I just realllyyyyy hope he turns into what we all wished for !

[gsnts725]

i like optimism

[DMaynard]

No sadly I don't literally mean two 1st round draft picks but ...... We do have the 17th pick in the draft & many people are forgetting we also have last years 1st round pick Vernon Gholston (Bust so far).

If this guy does ANYTHING it'll be an added bonus to a defense that should be both impressive & very physical. Gholston was labeled as a 8-10 sack guy. Did he even have that many tackles last year ?

So if, big IF , Rex Ryan can work his magic the way he did with Terrell Suggs in Baltimore, then Gang Green should be in great shape. Again if Gholston does anything at all....it's just a bonus. I mean come on we took this guy 6th overall. I just realllyyyyy hope he turns into what we all wished for !

That is a very good way to look at it. No first round pick is a sure thing. And Gholston is even more of a risk because he has done nothing so far. But if he comes on, big if, he could be the X factor in stopping Brady enough to beat them.

[Blackout]

LOL @ the spin

[StillerPaul]

It takes college DE's a year or 2 to learn the OLB position in the 3-4. I see it just about every year with my own team. Ya never know how long it'll take a guy to develope in that scheme. For example the Steelers drafted Lawrence Timmons in round 1 and Lamarr Woodley in round 2 of the same year. Guess which one started first. Not only that, but Timmons was actually switched to ILB.

Gholston will pan out fine for you guys IMO and he's got one hellova coach to learn the 3-4 from too.

[Thai Jet]

No sadly I don't literally mean two 1st round draft picks but ...... We do have the 17th pick in the draft & many people are forgetting we also have last years 1st round pick Vernon Gholston (Bust so far).

If this guy does ANYTHING it'll be an added bonus to a defense that should be both impressive & very physical. Gholston was labeled as a 8-10 sack guy. Did he even have that many tackles last year ?

So if, big IF , Rex Ryan can work his magic the way he did with Terrell Suggs in Baltimore, then Gang Green should be in great shape. Again if Gholston does anything at all....it's just a bonus. I mean come on we took this guy 6th overall. I just realllyyyyy hope he turns into what we all wished for !

We ALL do 82.

[Thai Jet]

It takes college DE's a year or 2 to learn the OLB position in the 3-4. I see it just about every year with my own team. Ya never know how long it'll take a guy to develope in that scheme. For example the Steelers drafted Lawrence Timmons in round 1 and Lamarr Woodley in round 2 of the same year. Guess which one started first. Not only that, but Timmons was actually switched to ILB.

Gholston will pan out fine for you guys IMO and he's got one hellova coach to learn the 3-4 from too.

Nice post Paul. If he can't learn from Ryan he might just be brain dead.

[DoubleDown]

We can only hope. I like your optimism, but I did not like what I saw from Gholston last year one bit.

One can easily say "The way I see it...at best the Jets have one 1st Rd Pick in two years."

[StillerPaul]

Nice post Paul. If he can't learn from Ryan he might just be brain dead.

I'm also thankful that Ryan took Bart Scott off of my division rival. I'm sure you all have seen the highlight reel hit he put on Big Ben a couple years back.

[Ghost]

I hope this guy turns out to be the monster he's capable of.

[AFJF]

I've heard this comment made a couple of times along with Rex doing for Gholston what he did for Suggs. Can somebody please explain that to me? It actually worries me that Rex made a similar comment in his press conference. He talked about how people thought Suggs was going to be a bust but then he worked with him.

Who exactly thought he was going to be a bust? Hopefully not the people making the decisions for the Balt. FO. Was it the media? What, did Suggs have a poor first week of training camp leading up to the pre-season? In his rookie season, Terrell Suggs had more sacks than Vernon Gholston had solo tackles in his first year.

I don't get it. Suggs has been a damn good player from the day he came in to the league. He looked like the player he was in college? What was it that he had failed at that required Rex Ryan to "turn him around"? Makes no sense.

[T0mShane]

Isn't Anthony Becht available as a Free Agent? If we sign him it'll be like we have THREE first round picks this year!!!

[abyzmul]

Sadly, Becht is now an Arizona Cardinal. Funny thing is, now that we have an actual H-back that can catch the ball, I wouldn't mind having a TE like Becht that blocks like a tackle.

[lancemehl]

It takes college DE's a year or 2 to learn the OLB position in the 3-4. I see it just about every year with my own team. Ya never know how long it'll take a guy to develope in that scheme. For example the Steelers drafted Lawrence Timmons in round 1 and Lamarr Woodley in round 2 of the same year. Guess which one started first. Not only that, but Timmons was actually switched to ILB.

Gholston will pan out fine for you guys IMO and he's got one hellova coach to learn the 3-4 from too.

why bother with this 3-4 crap, I'll just never be that smart.

1. only about 11% of teams run it.

2. For it to not be a laughing stock disaster, you NEED a. a freakishly Big and Fast NT, and they usually take half the plays off, so you even need a backup "freak",ok,semi-freak, not Pouha, or you'll be watching your Dline on its a$$ a lot! AND

3. You also need a monster pass rusher, usually at the OLB position, which, like you said, is usually a college DE who has to learn a whole new position.

You need LT and Marshall, or you need Dent and Singletary ,.....and a 375lb DT doesn't hurt.

You need Wilfork'd and Derrick Thomas', yeah, also need a coach who can actually teach and adjust and the players must be rocket scientists,

I am DYING to see this REX defense after all my genius friends tell me every year what a "superior defense it is, all I see is us getting run over, besides the first half last year, before the one guy that could put a halt to the whole D got tired(Jenkins,of course) besides that half I watched 2 1/2 years of jamming a square into a circle, losing guys like Vilma to get guys like Gholston.

I won't crucify Rex Ryan for the sins of Eric "There will be NO adjustments!" Mangini, but if i start seeing Maurice Morris, deshaun Foster and Marshan Lynch start toying with us and the line disappearing out of camera view

I AM DONE WITH THIS 3-4, crap. Hybrid, whatever, I better see some "violence".

So far, this 3-4 crap has bee the worse thing to hit NY since Isiah Thomson

[aec4]

No sadly I don't literally mean two 1st round draft picks but ...... We do have the 17th pick in the draft & many people are forgetting we also have last years 1st round pick Vernon Gholston (Bust so far).

If this guy does ANYTHING it'll be an added bonus to a defense that should be both impressive & very physical. Gholston was labeled as a 8-10 sack guy. Did he even have that many tackles last year ?

So if, big IF , Rex Ryan can work his magic the way he did with Terrell Suggs in Baltimore, then Gang Green should be in great shape. Again if Gholston does anything at all....it's just a bonus. I mean come on we took this guy 6th overall. I just realllyyyyy hope he turns into what we all wished for !

Good news is, if this is true, our odds of busting on this pick are better since the 2008 one is a bust.

[GodWearsAGrayHoodie]

why bother with this 3-4 crap, I'll just never be that smart.

1. only about 11% of teams run it.

That is a big reason right there.

Actually the 3-4 is most effective if you are the ONLY team in your conference to run it.

Lets say hypothetically you are the only team to run the 3-4 in the entire NFL or reverse that lets say every team in the league ran the 3-4 and you were the only team in the NFL to run the 4-3.

That means that most of the teams you play will have very little experience preparing to play against your style of defense. Problem with the 3-4 for the Jets is there is another team in the div that runs it also, so it is not a new look.

Mia won the AFCE by running an offense nobody else ran. Is it a better offense? -- not really once teams get enough practice against it, but nobody practiced against it regularly.

Also it means on draft day other teams are looking for a different style of player than you are.

[lancemehl]

That is a big reason right there.

Actually the 3-4 is most effective if you are the ONLY team in your conference to run it.

Lets say hypothetically you are the only team to run the 3-4 in the entire NFL or reverse that lets say every team in the league ran the 3-4 and you were the only team in the NFL to run the 4-3.

That means that most of the teams you play will have very little experience preparing to play against your style of defense. Problem with the 3-4 for the Jets is there is another team in the div that runs it also, so it is not a new look.

Mia won the AFCE by running an offense nobody else ran. Is it a better offense? -- not really once teams get enough practice against it, but nobody practiced against it regularly.

Also it means on draft day other teams are looking for a different style of player than you are.

I will agree that many of the great defenses were 3-4's,

But can you deny that it has looked like crap on us? Since Mangina got here our defense has been beyond bad, EVEN THE SECOND HALF OF LAST YEAR!!!

We spent all that money, and came out strong but as Jenkins breathe went so did our defense.

I hate it, have said it since day one,when he ruined Vilma.

HOWEVER, I pray Rex's style is different......on US! not in Baltimore,in New Jork!

[StillerPaul]

why bother with this 3-4 crap, I'll just never be that smart.

1. only about 11% of teams run it.

2. For it to not be a laughing stock disaster, you NEED a. a freakishly Big and Fast NT, and they usually take half the plays off, so you even need a backup "freak",ok,semi-freak, not Pouha, or you'll be watching your Dline on its a$$ a lot! AND

3. You also need a monster pass rusher, usually at the OLB position, which, like you said, is usually a college DE who has to learn a whole new position.

You need LT and Marshall, or you need Dent and Singletary ,.....and a 375lb DT doesn't hurt.

You need Wilfork'd and Derrick Thomas', yeah, also need a coach who can actually teach and adjust and the players must be rocket scientists,

I am DYING to see this REX defense after all my genius friends tell me every year what a "superior defense it is, all I see is us getting run over, besides the first half last year, before the one guy that could put a halt to the whole D got tired(Jenkins,of course) besides that half I watched 2 1/2 years of jamming a square into a circle, losing guys like Vilma to get guys like Gholston.

I won't crucify Rex Ryan for the sins of Eric "There will be NO adjustments!" Mangini, but if i start seeing Maurice Morris, deshaun Foster and Marshan Lynch start toying with us and the line disappearing out of camera view

I AM DONE WITH THIS 3-4, crap. Hybrid, whatever, I better see some "violence".

So far, this 3-4 crap has bee the worse thing to hit NY since Isiah Thomson

I think quite a few teams will run the 3-4 this year. Something like 13-15 teams now?

My team ran it the last 20 some years and i STILL have a hard time figuring it out, you'll get used to that. lol

I used to hate it as well. I hate a 3 man rush on passing downs, just HATE it. Well now i hardly have to worry about that these days.

My point is, though, that you guys got a good 3-4 teacher in place. Bonus being he likes to get after the QB. Trust me i've seen his scheme at work for years. That's prolly the whole reason he went out and got Bart Scott too. The guy can come off the edge and get after the QB. If Rex can get some production out of Gholston you guys have bookend rushers for a while.

[GodWearsAGrayHoodie]

I will agree that many of the great defenses were 3-4's,

But can you deny that it has looked like crap on us? Since Mangina got here our defense has been beyond bad, EVEN THE SECOND HALF OF LAST YEAR!!!

We spent all that money, and came out strong but as Jenkins breathe went so did our defense.

I hate it, have said it since day one,when he ruined Vilma.

HOWEVER, I pray Rex's style is different......on US! not in Baltimore,in New Jork!

Oh I will agree that the 3-4 is not working for the Jets.

But I think that is b/c the Jets have done some stupid things.

Gholston is a perfect example. Gholston is better suited for the 4-3 than the 3-4. Mayo is better suited for the 3-4 than the 4-3.

Who is better Mayo or Gholston? No absolute answer! Depends on what defense the team runs, if they run the 4-3 than Gholston is better, if they run 3-4 than Mayo is better.

Jets got to pick first. Who did they pick? A guy that would make a great pass rusher in a 4-3 defense even thought they run the 3-4. Thats dumb. Its not dumb to run the 3-4. And it is not dumb to draft Gholston. But it is dumb to do both.