LionelRichie Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 i honestly don't see much of a difference b/w the players projected to go near 17 and the players who will probably be available in rd 2. at wr you have maclin/crabtree and then everyone else. at rb, there isn't much difference b/w moreno/wells and mccoy/greene. i'd like to see the jets move down at least once and add either '10 1st rd pick or more 2nd and 3rd's this year. i think a guy like robiskie from ohio state or mccoy from pitt will be able to play right away and should be around after rd 1. you also have wr's like massaquoi, kelly, and the kids from penn state who will be available later in the draft - all good players. the jets need depth at several positions and need a starter at wr. the best approach is to move down where possible and grab value in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 i honestly don't see much of a difference b/w the players projected to go near 17 and the players who will probably be available in rd 2. at wr you have maclin/crabtree and then everyone else. at rb, there isn't much difference b/w moreno/wells and mccoy/greene. i'd like to see the jets move down at least once and add either '10 1st rd pick or more 2nd and 3rd's this year. i think a guy like robiskie from ohio state or mccoy from pitt will be able to play right away and should be around after rd 1. you also have wr's like massaquoi, kelly, and the kids from penn state who will be available later in the draft - all good players. the jets need depth at several positions and need a starter at wr. the best approach is to move down where possible and grab value in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. I've said it here myself, I'd love to see us trade down a little and pick up some extra picks. The trouble with that is that Mike T seems to want to move UP come draft day. We'll know on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Problem with moving into round 2 is the longest contract they can be signed to is 4 years. So if you're somewhat lucky: year 1 = intermittent play, not a full-time starter yet year 2 = starting, but still nothing great year 3 = player starts coming into his own year 4 = contract extension needed before this season begins or risk losing him to FA in year 5 So if you're lucky enough to get a guy who eventually develops & doesn't become a bust altogether, you get 1-2 productive years out of him & then he has to get a new contract. Ultimately, I fully believe this is the reason we moved up to draft Keller. It had little to do with who else was targeting him. Tannenbaum is obsessed with locking up rookies for as long as he can because the next contract - if the player is worth a damn - is going to be a blockbuster. You're going by who is ranked at, or expected to be there, at #17. You don't really know until it happens. How many people predicted Leinart to drop to #10, Quinn to drop to #22, or Rodgers to drop to #24? These guys were "locks" to go in the top 5, and not long before their respective drafts all 3 were thought to have a legit shot at getting taken first overall. There are others, but these stick out in my mind the most because they're QB's. When there's a large grouping of "similarly" ranked/talented players, there can be a lot of surprises as to who's there a little later. There are players the Jets may not be looking too hard at (due to a lack of need or just a poor fit for us) that are still highly coveted by others who pick - or trade up to pick - #16 or higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I like our position at 17 to be honest. If we move down I doubt we'll move out of the first. I actually think it's more likely we trade up and although that would be exciting it could turn out to be disastrous. If Sanchez or Crabtree start to fall, don't be shocked if the Jets make a move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted April 22, 2009 Author Share Posted April 22, 2009 Problem with moving into round 2 is the longest contract they can be signed to is 4 years. So if you're somewhat lucky: year 1 = intermittent play, not a full-time starter yet year 2 = starting, but still nothing great year 3 = player starts coming into his own year 4 = contract extension needed before this season begins or risk losing him to FA in year 5 i don't really see that as a problem, there isn't really a difference b/w 4 or 5 year deals. the worst case scenario is bryan thomas who sucked for 4 years, played well in year 5 and then started sucking again. my point is that the development curve for a player at 17 is pretty similar to a player at 40, especially a wr. according to your same logic the jets would be spending 3M for a guy to sit on the bench this year. i think there is more hype than substance to a lot of these players who project to the bottom of rd 1. look at a guy like robiskie - if he played in the texas tech or missouri program who knows what kind of numbers he would have put up and where he would be drafted. if the jets can move down and add a 2010 1st rd pick or another 2nd rd pick this year I think it's a great move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOZ THE JET Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 i don't really see that as a problem, there isn't really a difference b/w 4 or 5 year deals. the worst case scenario is bryan thomas who sucked for 4 years, played well in year 5 and then started sucking again. my point is that the development curve for a player at 17 is pretty similar to a player at 40, especially a wr. according to your same logic the jets would be spending 3M for a guy to sit on the bench this year. i think there is more hype than substance to a lot of these players who project to the bottom of rd 1. look at a guy like robiskie - if he played in the texas tech or missouri program who knows what kind of numbers he would have put up and where he would be drafted. if the jets can move down and add a 2010 1st rd pick or another 2nd rd pick this year I think it's a great move. i agree picking up picks next yr where if clemens or ratliff dosent work out we have enough picks to move up in get 1 of those QB'S bradford or McCoy who are leaps and bounds better than any QB coming out this yr and if 1 of our QB'S do work out we will be in 1 hell of a good position moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I have a feeling the Jets are gonna trade up, and I'll be sick on draft day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 i honestly don't see much of a difference b/w the players projected to go near 17 and the players who will probably be available in rd 2. at wr you have maclin/crabtree and then everyone else. at rb, there isn't much difference b/w moreno/wells and mccoy/greene. i'd like to see the jets move down at least once and add either '10 1st rd pick or more 2nd and 3rd's this year. i think a guy like robiskie from ohio state or mccoy from pitt will be able to play right away and should be around after rd 1. you also have wr's like massaquoi, kelly, and the kids from penn state who will be available later in the draft - all good players. the jets need depth at several positions and need a starter at wr. the best approach is to move down where possible and grab value in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Now think for a second. If you do not see value at #17 compared to the top of round 2, why would other teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I honestly won't mind doing what the Eagles did last year. They traded their 2008 1st round to the Browns for their 2009 1st. I believe Philly also got some picks with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETfrmWOMBtoTOMB Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 The only way we should consider trading up is if we deal Thomas Jones and a second or something crazy like that. We already have the burner on the roster... His name is Clowney but he needs to stay healthy... I say trade down and stockpile picks then draft mostly offense with maybe one or two defensive players for depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted April 22, 2009 Author Share Posted April 22, 2009 Now think for a second. If you do not see value at #17 compared to the top of round 2, why would other teams? that's a pretty short-sighted view. the jets need a wr but other than that are basically drafting for depth. denver will probably draft DL, tampa needs DL - so if a team wants to get ahead of both denver and tampa to get the player they want they can move up to 17 via trade with the jets. if the jets can move back once, the board should open up again with baltimore, mia, and giants looking at wr. if the jets can get down to low 20's they can move back again maybe with baltimore who wants to get the first choice of the remaining wr's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Trading down is a really interesting idea. I can't believe nobody thought of that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 i agree picking up picks next yr where if clemens or ratliff dosent work out we have enough picks to move up in get 1 of those QB'S Bradford or McCoy who are leaps and bounds better than any QB coming out this yr and if 1 of our QB'S do work out we will be in 1 hell of a good position moving forward. You got that right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Now think for a second. If you do not see value at #17 compared to the top of round 2, why would other teams? HUH ? Every team views players differently. As they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Everybody wants to trade down. Extra picks, a first rounder next year, who wouldn't like that? There's definitely some very solid value in the late first round, and Sperm makes a great point about the first round contracts. That is presumably why we like to pick in the late first and I think may deal 52 and 76 to move there (it's a perfect match for the Steelers selection on the value chart and they may want to move out and target Eric Wood or some guard/big tackle), but it's easier said than done to trade down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 i honestly don't see much of a difference b/w the players projected to go near 17 and the players who will probably be available in rd 2. at wr you have maclin/crabtree and then everyone else. at rb, there isn't much difference b/w moreno/wells and mccoy/greene. i'd like to see the jets move down at least once and add either '10 1st rd pick or more 2nd and 3rd's this year. i think a guy like robiskie from ohio state or mccoy from pitt will be able to play right away and should be around after rd 1. you also have wr's like massaquoi, kelly, and the kids from penn state who will be available later in the draft - all good players. the jets need depth at several positions and need a starter at wr. the best approach is to move down where possible and grab value in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Definitely, more picks, more WR's more RB's, a QB, TE O-line, stock up. Crabtree will be gone,Wells will be gone, and it's not worth the 40% chaNCE mORENO'S THERE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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