Ooh Ow. PFW's Jets Draft Grade: "Average"; Pats, "Outstanding"

[T0mShane]

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Day/2009/grades042709.htm

New York Jets

[T0mShane]

New England Patriots

[Klecko73isGod]

A clear bias for what good teams do! Nawrocki blows!

So if I follow PFW's logic, coming away from the draft with a crapload of players who might or might not do anything is better than coming away from the draft with a potential franchise QB and your potential starting RB for the next 7 years.

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Larz]

can't argue either opinion except to say we'll see in 3 years

if sanchez is the real deal, they could have traded the whole draft a la ditka/williams and the jets would have the best draft since joe namath

most draftniks are knocking the pats down a grade for not taking a LB early tho

[fatcatxl]

elam was going to start? i doubt it

[Irish Jet]

TS probably read through article after article on the draft, waiting to accross something that agreed with him.

...But now that there's one, undoubtebly written by a genius, TS must have been right.

[GodWearsAGrayHoodie]

I wouldn't put too much stock in what they say.

This is what they said last year,

The Jets landed the most physically impressive pass rusher in the draft (Vernon Gholston) and should be able to mold him to play hard all the time....

Gholston...could make a considerable impact early.

Could you be anymore wrong than that?

[tparich]

New England Patriots — Not seeing any value in the first round, Bill Belichick traded down multiple times, slipping out of the first round entirely

I really don't understand this phrase. What is the Pats idea of value?

This statement makes it sound like the Pats think that the entire first round is nothing but busts waiting to happen and that they dodged some bullet by freeing themsleves of the first round.

[Irish Jet]

elam was going to start? i doubt it

Yeah, he's clearly better than both Jim Leonhard and Kerry Rhodes combined.

Kenyon Coleman too? What were we thinking? The guy has dominated over the last 2 seasons! DOMINATED says I! I can't remember a gamewhere Kenyon Coleman didn't make at least 20 impact plays. A true run stuffer and a nightmare for QB's. HOF'er for sure.

And then there was Brett Ratliff...Words do not describe the **** up we made letting him go. The HOF will prove not to be worthy of Ratliff's greatness and instead there will be a seperate Hall made just for him. As his performances last season against such powerful opposition in such a clutch situation prove, Ratliff is simply a God walking amongst mere mortals.

Same Old Jets I guess.

[Irish Jet]

I wouldn't put too much stock in what they say.

This is what they said last year,

Could you be anymore wrong than that?

He's a genius. How dare you question Tom's source?

[Thai Jet]

can't argue either opinion except to say we'll see in 3 years

if sanchez is the real deal, they could have traded the whole draft a la ditka/williams and the jets would have the best draft since joe namath

most draftniks are knocking the pats down a grade for not taking a LB early tho

That's the ticket. I three years we'll know. I wasn't crazy about our draft but labeling the Pats draft "outstanding " ? What a joke .

[Irish Jet]

Don't anyone dare question the Pats draft. It was PERFECT in every way. They are flawless when it comes to talent evaluation, especially in the 2nd round. Superstars like Chad Jackson and Bethel Johnson prove this.

[DMaynard]

I immediately dismiss anyone's "expertise" if, when evaluating a draft, they do not take any trades involving draft choices (Lito Sheppard), into consideration.

That eliminates a lot of morons, professionals and amatuers.

[T0mShane]

TS probably read through article after article on the draft, waiting to accross something that agreed with him.

...But now that there's one, undoubtebly written by a genius, TS must have been right.

Because PFW is so obscure. Come on, now.

[PatriotReign37]

This guy thinks the same way

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_hassett&sid=aavBflHCO5I4

New England

[T0mShane]

Don't anyone dare question the Pats draft. It was PERFECT in every way. They are flawless when it comes to talent evaluation, especially in the 2nd round. Superstars like Chad Jackson and Bethel Johnson prove this.

Because the Pats have a cogent, clear plan when it comes to player acquisition and development, they are able to tailor their drafts to fill holes they may not have now, but WILL have two and three years from now. Unlike Tannebaum, who is the little dutch boy constantly running around plugging holes in the dam, Belichick covers his bases and that is why, more than anything else, they are competitive at a very high level every year. They do not count on rookie draft picks and UDFA's to save their season.

[Klecko73isGod]

Because the Pats have a cogent, clear plan when it comes to player acquisition and development, they are able to tailor their drafts to fill holes they may not have now, but WILL have two and three years from now. Unlike Tannebaum, who is the little dutch boy constantly running around plugging holes in the dam, Belichick covers his bases and that is why, more than anything else, they are competitive at a very high level every year. They do not count on rookie draft picks and UDFA's to save their season.

Wow, someone rolled out of bed and decided to blow Bill Belichick this morning.

[PatriotReign37]

I really don't understand this phrase. What is the Pats idea of value?

Value is drafting Dan Koppen in the 5th round and having him start from day 1. His performance has exceeded his selection number and rookie contract. Value is only giving up a 5th round pick (IIRC) for Randy Moss and having him catch 25 TD's passes. David Givens, Matt Cassel, Deon Branch, Tom Brady.

To me, value is getting a great deal.

This statement makes it sound like the Pats think that the entire first round is nothing but busts waiting to happen and that they dodged some bullet by freeing themselves of the first round.

In terms of the cap, they did free themselves.

[PatriotReign37]

Because the Pats have a cogent, clear plan when it comes to player acquisition and development, they are able to tailor their drafts to fill holes they may not have now, but WILL have two and three years from now. Unlike Tannebaum, who is the little dutch boy constantly running around plugging holes in the dam, Belichick covers his bases and that is why, more than anything else, they are competitive at a very high level every year. They do not count on rookie draft picks and UDFA's to save their season.

Well said Tom

I'd like to add that NE trys to look at the big picture cap wise as well. You dont hear of the Patriots being in cap trouble like the Titans were a few seasons ago.

[PFSIKH]

I really don't understand this phrase. What is the Pats idea of value?

This statement makes it sound like the Pats think that the entire first round is nothing but busts waiting to happen and that they dodged some bullet by freeing themsleves of the first round.

No. They were not enamored with this draft. It was a weak draft after the first few picks. Belichick did not want to spend 1st round money on 2nd round talent. Think how bad the QB position would have been without Stafford or Sanchez coming out? Sanchez made an excellent decision.

Well said Tom

I'd like to add that NE trys to look at the big picture cap wise as well. You dont hear of the Patriots being in cap trouble like the Titans were a few seasons ago.

You might want to check with assmop's source. Apparently, they are doomed.

[Vudu]

Why do you people pay attention to the ramblings of some random sportswriter?

[Irish Jet]

Because the Pats have a cogent, clear plan when it comes to player acquisition and development, they are able to tailor their drafts to fill holes they may not have now, but WILL have two and three years from now. Unlike Tannebaum, who is the little dutch boy constantly running around plugging holes in the dam, Belichick covers his bases and that is why, more than anything else, they are competitive at a very high level every year. They do not count on rookie draft picks and UDFA's to save their season.

If you checked out the results of the Pats recent drafts, you'd know that this statement couldn't be further from the truth.

The Pats recent success "more than anything else" has been down to trading draft picks (Something you've been preaching as wrong) for Randy Moss and Wes Welker and striking gold by getting Tom Brady in the 6th round. There is no genius draft strategy, luck has played more of a part in the Pats draft "success" than anything else.

But yeah I'm sure the Pats recnt drafts have been the building of a solid foundation of years to come:

2007 1 1 24 24 Brandon Meriweather DB Miami (FL)

2 4 28 127 Kareem Brown DT Miami (FL)

3 5 34 171 Clint Oldenburg T Colorado State

4 6 6 180 Justin Rogers LB Southern Methodist

5 6 28 202 Mike Richardson DB Notre Dame

6 6 34 208 Justise Hairston RB Central Connecticut St.

7 6 35 209 Corey Hilliard T Oklahoma State

8 7 1 211 Oscar Lua LB USC

9 7 37 247 Mike Elgin G Iowa

2006 1 1 21 21 Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota

2 2 4 36 Chad Jackson WR Florida

3 3 22 86 Dave Thomas TE Texas

4 4 9 106 Garrett Mills TE Tulsa

5 4 21 118 Stephen Gostkowski K Memphis

6 5 3 136 Ryan O'Callaghan G California

7 6 22 191 Jeremy Mincey DE Florida

8 6 36 205 Dan Stevenson G Notre Dame

9 6 37 206 Le Kevin Smith DT Nebraska

10 7 21 229 Willie Andrews DB Baylor

Yup, those 2006 and 2007 drafts sure have created a solid core in which to build a dynasty around...Right!

[T0mShane]

If you checked out the results of the Pats recent drafts, you'd know that this statement couldn't be further from the truth.

The Pats recent success "more than anything else" has been down to trading draft picks (Something you've been preaching as wrong) for Randy Moss and Wes Welker and striking gold by getting Tom Brady in the 6th round. There is no genius draft strategy, luck has played more of a part in the Pats draft "success" than anything else.

But yeah I'm sure the Pats recnt drafts have been the building of a solid foundation of years to come:

2007 1 1 24 24 Brandon Meriweather DB Miami (FL)

2 4 28 127 Kareem Brown DT Miami (FL)

3 5 34 171 Clint Oldenburg T Colorado State

4 6 6 180 Justin Rogers LB Southern Methodist

5 6 28 202 Mike Richardson DB Notre Dame

6 6 34 208 Justise Hairston RB Central Connecticut St.

7 6 35 209 Corey Hilliard T Oklahoma State

8 7 1 211 Oscar Lua LB USC

9 7 37 247 Mike Elgin G Iowa

2006 1 1 21 21 Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota

2 2 4 36 Chad Jackson WR Florida

3 3 22 86 Dave Thomas TE Texas

4 4 9 106 Garrett Mills TE Tulsa

5 4 21 118 Stephen Gostkowski K Memphis

6 5 3 136 Ryan O'Callaghan G California

7 6 22 191 Jeremy Mincey DE Florida

8 6 36 205 Dan Stevenson G Notre Dame

9 6 37 206 Le Kevin Smith DT Nebraska

10 7 21 229 Willie Andrews DB Baylor

Yup, those 2006 and 2007 drafts sure have created a solid core in which to build a dynasty around...Right!

Which roster would you rather have there, Munchy? The Jets or the Pats?

Now, take Tom Brady off the Pats roster...which roster you taking?

I know you're a senseless homer, so you're going to say "Jets" for both, but you would be sharing the minority opinion, with only you and Mike Tannenbaum voting that way.

[Irish Jet]

Which roster would you rather have there, Munchy? The Jets or the Pats?

Now, take Tom Brady off the Pats roster...which roster you taking?

I know you're a senseless homer, so you're going to say "Jets" for both, but you would be sharing the minority opinion, with only you and Mike Tannenbaum voting that way.

Why would I say Jets for both? Do the Jets have Randy Moss and Wes Welker? No. The Pats are a much better team.

The Pats are a great team with great coaching. Great drafting has not been the reason though, not like you've made it out to be.

[T0mShane]

Why would I say Jets for both? Do the Jets have Randy Moss and Wes Welker? No. The Pats are a much better team.

The Pats are a great team with great coaching. Great drafting has not been the reason though, not like you've made it out to be.

It's THE PLAN in the New England. It's the PHILOSOPHY, homey!

They didn't get that roster by accident, and they're going to have a better roster for eternity of the Jets don't change gears. That's the truth.

[dbatesman]

I think the Jets deserve a better grade than "average," but unless some of the UDFAs pan out, this evaluation is correct in saying that our depth is a bit scary.

That said, calling Kenyon Coleman and Abram Elam "starters" is wildly inaccurate, as 1) neither would have started this season, and 2) both of them kind of sucked anyway.

[donboyO]

It's THE PLAN in the New England. It's the PHILOSOPHY, homey!

They didn't get that roster by accident, and they're going to have a better roster for eternity of the Jets don't change gears. That's the truth.

Guess again..here are Beli's draft courtesey of a competing site

His drafting is not so good.

CLEVELAND BROWNS

1995 1 1 30 30 Craig Powell LB Ohio State

2 3 20 84 Eric Zeier QB Georgia

3 3 30 94 Mike Frederick DE Virginia

4 5 2 136 Tau Pupua DT Weber State

5 5 13 147 Mike Miller WR Notre Dame

6 7 23 231 A.C. Tellison WR Miami (FL)

1994 1 1 9 9 Antonio Langham DB Alabama

2 1 29 29 Derrick Alexander WR Michigan

3 3 10 75 Romeo Bandison DT Oregon

4 5 10 141 Isaac Booth DB California

5 6 10 171 Robert Strait RB Baylor

6 7 9 203 Andre Hewitt T Clemson

1993 1 1 14 14 Steve Everitt C Michigan

2 2 13 42 Dan Footman DE Florida State

3 3 27 83 Mike Caldwell LB Middle Tennessee State

4 5 12 124 Herman Arvie T Grambling State

5 6 13 153 Rich McKenzie LB Penn State

6 7 12 180 Travis Hill LB Nebraska

1992 1 1 9 9 Tommy Vardell RB Stanford

2 2 24 52 Patrick Rowe WR San Diego State

3 3 9 65 Bill Johnson DT Michigan State

4 3 22 78 Gerald Dixon LB South Carolina

5 6 3 143 Rico Smith WR Colorado

6 6 23 163 George Williams DT Notre Dame

7 7 9 177 Selwyn Jones DB Colorado State

8 9 9 233 Tim Hill DB Kansas

9 10 8 260 Marcus Lowe DT Baylor

10 11 9 289 Augustin Olobia WR Washington State

11 12 8 316 Keithen McCant QB Nebraska

12 12 21 329 Tim Simpson C Illinois

1991 1 1 2 2 Eric Turner DB UCLA

2 2 2 29 Ed King G Auburn

3 3 2 57 James Jones DT Northern Iowa

4 4 2 85 Pio Sagapulutele DT San Diego State

5 6 2 141 Michael Jackson WR Southern Mississippi

6 8 2 197 Frank Conover DT Syracuse

7 9 2 225 Raymond Irvin DB Central Florida

8 9 16 239 Shawn Wiggins WR Wyoming

9 10 2 252 Brian Greenfield P Pittsburgh

10 11 2 280 Todd Jones G Henderson State

11 12 2 308 Elijah Austin DT North Carolina

NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS

2008 1 1 10 10 Jerod Mayo LB Tennessee

2 2 31 62 Terrence Wheatley DB Colorado

3 3 15 78 Shawn Crable LB Michigan

4 3 31 94 Kevin O'Connell QB San Diego State

5 4 30 129 Jonathan Wilhite DB Auburn

6 5 18 153 Matt Slater WR UCLA

7 6 31 197 Bo Ruud LB Nebraska

2007 1 1 24 24 Brandon Meriweather DB Miami (FL)

2 4 28 127 Kareem Brown DT Miami (FL)

3 5 34 171 Clint Oldenburg T Colorado State

4 6 6 180 Justin Rogers LB Southern Methodist

5 6 28 202 Mike Richardson DB Notre Dame

6 6 34 208 Justise Hairston RB Central Connecticut St.

7 6 35 209 Corey Hilliard T Oklahoma State

8 7 1 211 Oscar Lua LB USC

9 7 37 247 Mike Elgin G Iowa

2006 1 1 21 21 Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota

2 2 4 36 Chad Jackson WR Florida

3 3 22 86 Dave Thomas TE Texas

4 4 9 106 Garrett Mills TE Tulsa

5 4 21 118 Stephen Gostkowski K Memphis

6 5 3 136 Ryan O'Callaghan G California

7 6 22 191 Jeremy Mincey DE Florida

8 6 36 205 Dan Stevenson G Notre Dame

9 6 37 206 Le Kevin Smith DT Nebraska

10 7 21 229 Willie Andrews DB Baylor

2005 1 1 32 32 Logan Mankins G Fresno State

2 3 20 84 Ellis Hobbs DB Iowa State

3 3 36 100 Nick Kaczur G Toledo

4 4 32 133 James Sanders DB Fresno State

5 5 34 170 Ryan Claridge LB Nevada-Las Vegas

6 7 16 230 Matt Cassel QB USC

7 7 41 255 Andy Stokes TE William Penn

2004 1 1 21 21 Vince Wilfork DT Miami (FL)

2 1 32 32 Ben Watson TE Georgia

3 2 31 63 Marquise Hill DE Louisiana State

4 3 32 95 Guss Scott DB Florida

5 4 17 113 Dexter Reid DB North Carolina

6 4 32 128 Cedric Cobbs RB Arkansas

7 5 32 164 P.K. Sam WR Florida State

8 7 32 233 Christian Morton DB Illinois

2003 1 1 13 13 Ty Warren DT Texas A&M

2 2 4 36 Eugene Wilson DB Illinois

3 2 13 45 Bethel Johnson WR Texas A&M

4 4 20 117 Dan Klecko DT Temple

5 4 23 120 Asante Samuel DB Central Florida

6 5 29 164 Dan Koppen C Boston College

7 6 28 201 Kliff Kingsbury QB Texas Tech

8 7 20 234 Spencer Nead TE Brigham Young

9 7 25 239 Tully Banta-Cain DE California

10 7 29 243 Ethan Kelley DT Baylor

2002 1 1 21 21 Dan Graham TE Colorado

2 2 33 65 Deion Branch WR Louisville

3 4 19 117 Rohan Davey QB Louisiana State

4 4 28 126 Jarvis Green DE Louisiana State

5 7 26 237 Antwoine Womack RB Virginia

6 7 33 244 David Givens WR Notre Dame

2001 1 1 6 6 Richard Seymour DT Georgia

2 2 17 48 Matt Light T Purdue

3 3 24 86 Brock Williams DB Notre Dame

4 4 1 96 Kenyatta Jones T South Florida

5 4 24 119 Jabari Holloway TE Notre Dame

6 5 32 163 Hakim Akbar DB Washington

7 6 17 180 Arther Love TE South Carolina State

8 6 37 200 Leonard Myers DB Miami (FL)

9 7 16 216 Owen Pochman K Brigham Young

10 7 39 239 T.J. Turner LB Michigan State

2000 1 2 15 46 Adrian Klemm T Hawaii

2 3 14 76 J.R. Redmond RB Arizona State

3 4 33 127 Greg Robinson-Randall T Michigan State

4 5 12 141 Dave Stachelski TE Boise State

5 5 32 161 Jeff Marriott DT Missouri

6 6 21 187 Antwan Harris DB Virginia

7 6 33 199 Tom Brady QB Michigan

8 6 35 201 David Nugent DT Purdue

9 7 20 226 Casey Tisdale LB New Mexico

10 7 33 239 Patrick Pass RB Georgia

[T0mShane]

Guess again..here are Beli's draft courtesey of a competing site

His drafting is not so good.

CLEVELAND BROWNS

1995 1 1 30 30 Craig Powell LB Ohio State

2 3 20 84 Eric Zeier QB Georgia

3 3 30 94 Mike Frederick DE Virginia

4 5 2 136 Tau Pupua DT Weber State

5 5 13 147 Mike Miller WR Notre Dame

6 7 23 231 A.C. Tellison WR Miami (FL)

1994 1 1 9 9 Antonio Langham DB Alabama

2 1 29 29 Derrick Alexander WR Michigan

3 3 10 75 Romeo Bandison DT Oregon

4 5 10 141 Isaac Booth DB California

5 6 10 171 Robert Strait RB Baylor

6 7 9 203 Andre Hewitt T Clemson

1993 1 1 14 14 Steve Everitt C Michigan

2 2 13 42 Dan Footman DE Florida State

3 3 27 83 Mike Caldwell LB Middle Tennessee State

4 5 12 124 Herman Arvie T Grambling State

5 6 13 153 Rich McKenzie LB Penn State

6 7 12 180 Travis Hill LB Nebraska

1992 1 1 9 9 Tommy Vardell RB Stanford

2 2 24 52 Patrick Rowe WR San Diego State

3 3 9 65 Bill Johnson DT Michigan State

4 3 22 78 Gerald Dixon LB South Carolina

5 6 3 143 Rico Smith WR Colorado

6 6 23 163 George Williams DT Notre Dame

7 7 9 177 Selwyn Jones DB Colorado State

8 9 9 233 Tim Hill DB Kansas

9 10 8 260 Marcus Lowe DT Baylor

10 11 9 289 Augustin Olobia WR Washington State

11 12 8 316 Keithen McCant QB Nebraska

12 12 21 329 Tim Simpson C Illinois

1991 1 1 2 2 Eric Turner DB UCLA

2 2 2 29 Ed King G Auburn

3 3 2 57 James Jones DT Northern Iowa

4 4 2 85 Pio Sagapulutele DT San Diego State

5 6 2 141 Michael Jackson WR Southern Mississippi

6 8 2 197 Frank Conover DT Syracuse

7 9 2 225 Raymond Irvin DB Central Florida

8 9 16 239 Shawn Wiggins WR Wyoming

9 10 2 252 Brian Greenfield P Pittsburgh

10 11 2 280 Todd Jones G Henderson State

11 12 2 308 Elijah Austin DT North Carolina

NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS

2008 1 1 10 10 Jerod Mayo LB Tennessee

2 2 31 62 Terrence Wheatley DB Colorado

3 3 15 78 Shawn Crable LB Michigan

4 3 31 94 Kevin O'Connell QB San Diego State

5 4 30 129 Jonathan Wilhite DB Auburn

6 5 18 153 Matt Slater WR UCLA

7 6 31 197 Bo Ruud LB Nebraska

2007 1 1 24 24 Brandon Meriweather DB Miami (FL)

2 4 28 127 Kareem Brown DT Miami (FL)

3 5 34 171 Clint Oldenburg T Colorado State

4 6 6 180 Justin Rogers LB Southern Methodist

5 6 28 202 Mike Richardson DB Notre Dame

6 6 34 208 Justise Hairston RB Central Connecticut St.

7 6 35 209 Corey Hilliard T Oklahoma State

8 7 1 211 Oscar Lua LB USC

9 7 37 247 Mike Elgin G Iowa

2006 1 1 21 21 Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota

2 2 4 36 Chad Jackson WR Florida

3 3 22 86 Dave Thomas TE Texas

4 4 9 106 Garrett Mills TE Tulsa

5 4 21 118 Stephen Gostkowski K Memphis

6 5 3 136 Ryan O'Callaghan G California

7 6 22 191 Jeremy Mincey DE Florida

8 6 36 205 Dan Stevenson G Notre Dame

9 6 37 206 Le Kevin Smith DT Nebraska

10 7 21 229 Willie Andrews DB Baylor

2005 1 1 32 32 Logan Mankins G Fresno State

2 3 20 84 Ellis Hobbs DB Iowa State

3 3 36 100 Nick Kaczur G Toledo

4 4 32 133 James Sanders DB Fresno State

5 5 34 170 Ryan Claridge LB Nevada-Las Vegas

6 7 16 230 Matt Cassel QB USC

7 7 41 255 Andy Stokes TE William Penn

2004 1 1 21 21 Vince Wilfork DT Miami (FL)

2 1 32 32 Ben Watson TE Georgia

3 2 31 63 Marquise Hill DE Louisiana State

4 3 32 95 Guss Scott DB Florida

5 4 17 113 Dexter Reid DB North Carolina

6 4 32 128 Cedric Cobbs RB Arkansas

7 5 32 164 P.K. Sam WR Florida State

8 7 32 233 Christian Morton DB Illinois

2003 1 1 13 13 Ty Warren DT Texas A&M

2 2 4 36 Eugene Wilson DB Illinois

3 2 13 45 Bethel Johnson WR Texas A&M

4 4 20 117 Dan Klecko DT Temple

5 4 23 120 Asante Samuel DB Central Florida

6 5 29 164 Dan Koppen C Boston College

7 6 28 201 Kliff Kingsbury QB Texas Tech

8 7 20 234 Spencer Nead TE Brigham Young

9 7 25 239 Tully Banta-Cain DE California

10 7 29 243 Ethan Kelley DT Baylor

2002 1 1 21 21 Dan Graham TE Colorado

2 2 33 65 Deion Branch WR Louisville

3 4 19 117 Rohan Davey QB Louisiana State

4 4 28 126 Jarvis Green DE Louisiana State

5 7 26 237 Antwoine Womack RB Virginia

6 7 33 244 David Givens WR Notre Dame

2001 1 1 6 6 Richard Seymour DT Georgia

2 2 17 48 Matt Light T Purdue

3 3 24 86 Brock Williams DB Notre Dame

4 4 1 96 Kenyatta Jones T South Florida

5 4 24 119 Jabari Holloway TE Notre Dame

6 5 32 163 Hakim Akbar DB Washington

7 6 17 180 Arther Love TE South Carolina State

8 6 37 200 Leonard Myers DB Miami (FL)

9 7 16 216 Owen Pochman K Brigham Young

10 7 39 239 T.J. Turner LB Michigan State

2000 1 2 15 46 Adrian Klemm T Hawaii

2 3 14 76 J.R. Redmond RB Arizona State

3 4 33 127 Greg Robinson-Randall T Michigan State

4 5 12 141 Dave Stachelski TE Boise State

5 5 32 161 Jeff Marriott DT Missouri

6 6 21 187 Antwan Harris DB Virginia

7 6 33 199 Tom Brady QB Michigan

8 6 35 201 David Nugent DT Purdue

9 7 20 226 Casey Tisdale LB New Mexico

10 7 33 239 Patrick Pass RB Georgia

You dudes are missing the point completely. They don't draft guys in New England to make Pro Bowls. They draft players to get them 8 yards on 3rd and seven in the Super Bowl. They draft players to tackles kick returners. They draft players to match up against Lee Evans and Marvin Harrison. They draft for specifics and let their competition draft alleged "stars."

[Maxman]

Because the Pats have a cogent, clear plan when it comes to player acquisition and development, they are able to tailor their drafts to fill holes they may not have now, but WILL have two and three years from now. Unlike Tannebaum, who is the little dutch boy constantly running around plugging holes in the dam, Belichick covers his bases and that is why, more than anything else, they are competitive at a very high level every year. They do not count on rookie draft picks and UDFA's to save their season.

You should think about rooting for the Patriots. If not at least wipe off your chin. It is embarassing.

[T0mShane]

You should think about rooting for the Patriots. If not at least wipe off your chin. It is embarassing.

As embarrassing as spelling "embarrassing" incorrectly? HMMMM?

And maybe I WILL start rooting for the Pats! I am starting a NEW fan-site, called "Pat Nation." Who's with me? WHO'S WITH ME?!??!?

[Sperm Edwards]

There is a large gap between the perception (of some) of how things got to where they are and the reality of how they did. You'd think the Patriots had 40+ team draftees on their roster from the complaints.

How many players on the Patriots roster last year came from their own draft picks? 26

1. Matt Cassel
   
2. LeKevin Smith
   
3. Tom Brady
   
4. Dan Koppen
   
5. Matt Slater
   
6. James Sanders
   
7. Jarvis Green
   
8. Stephen Gostkowski
   
9. David Thomas
   
10. Tedy Bruschi
    
11. Ellis Hobbs
    
12. Nick Kaczur
    
13. Matt Light
    
14. Kevin Faulk
    
15. Richard Seymour
    
16. Logan Mankins
    
17. Ben Watson
    
18. Brandon Meriweather
    
19. Laurence Maroney
    
20. Vince Wilfork
    
21. Ty Warren
    
22. Jerod Mayo
    
23. Jonathan Wilhite
    
24. Shawn Crable
    
25. Kevin O'Connell
    
26. Terrence Wheatley
    

How many players on the Jets roster last year came from their own draft picks? 23

1. Drew Coleman
   
2. Kerry Rhodes
   
3. Leon Washington
   
4. Dwight Lowery
   
5. Jerricho Cotchery
   
6. Brad Smith
   
7. Eric Smith
   
8. Sione Pouha
   
9. Chris Baker
   
10. Laveranues Coles
    
11. Justin Miller
    
12. Kellen Clemens
    
13. David Harris
    
14. Mike Nugent
    
15. D'Brickashaw Ferguson
    
16. Nick Mangold
    
17. Bryan Thomas
    
18. Darrelle Revis
    
19. Erik Ainge
    
20. Shaun Ellis
    
21. Vernon Gholston
    
22. Dustin Keller
    
23. Chansi Stuckey
    

I may be missing one or two guys on each roster, but this is at a first glance. And if not for the Brett Favre obvious PSL/PR stunt, it would have been 26-24 with Pennington. Not exactly a world of difference considering the diametrically opposite "philosophies" they purportedly have.

They are a good team because the players they have are good and the coaching they have are good, not because of a philosophy of stockpiling picks. Almost all of New England's good players (late round QB's notwithstanding) are either 1st round picks or players brought in via free agency or trades. That is the reality.

[Maxman]

T0mShane was just Sperm'ed. Ironically that wasn't the first time that happened. Not even the first time today.

[Maxman]

As embarrassing as spelling "embarrassing" incorrectly? HMMMM?

And maybe I WILL start rooting for the Pats! I am starting a NEW fan-site, called "Pat Nation." Who's with me? WHO'S WITH ME?!??!?

The only other person that cares about spelling errors, well let's just say that person isn't here. So I think yours was more embarrassing. Figures though you would be an expert on any word that ends with bar ass, lol.

[Larz]

T0mShane was just Sperm'ed. Ironically that wasn't the first time that happened. Not even the first time today.

I've been there, it sux. it took my 3 days to get over him ending his post with this doozy ;

[Sperm Edwards]

I've been there, it sux. it took my 3 days to get over him ending his post with this doozy ;

I think it's spelled doody.