Jet Moses Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Wow, 50 freakin games. He seems to be taking it all in stride. Surfs up Dude. Yeah right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 How in the **** does this become Yankees vs Red Sox. Because JonE & Guido want to make it all about the Red Sox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Deadspin has the goods http://deadspin.com/5244230/the-case-of-manny-not-being-manny How is that "the goods"? Am I reading incorrectly, or did it state that they did a background check on the recipient and it was a different guy? EDIT: I see you added the "maybe not".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 I'm not surprised by the news, but still it is a sad day for baseball. Can any of the records and milestones set during this era be taken seriously? Bonds, ARod, Manny, Big Mac, Sosa and the list goes on and on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Moses Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 I'm not surprised by the news, but still it is a sad day for baseball. Can any of the records and milestones set during this era be taken seriously? Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 How is that "the goods"? Am I reading incorrectly, or did it state that they did a background check on the recipient and it was a different guy? EDIT: I see you added the "maybe not"... Apparently so. Or the source got cold feet and claimed that it wasn't Manny. The story kinda goes off the cliff. How many Ramirezes (admittedly a common name) in suburban Boston need a drug froma noted drug dealer to stop the moobs roids give you? There could be a bodybuilder with the same name. A dead end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 JASON WHITLOCK COMMENTARY Roberts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 you really expected differently? Some Yankee fans have been crying about the Mitchell report for a while. Sad. I'm a Yankee fan... but I'm also a fan of the sport of baseball. Maybe it's wrong as a Yankee fan to think this is sad and a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeebers Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Jose Canseco is on record of saying the reason no one signed him to a long-term deal is because he was on the list. LOL. Absolutely. I think he said, he was 95% positive that was the reason no one signed him and a lot of the talking heads laughed at him. Canseco is totally the godfather of roids. If he says something, you better believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Monzino Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Because JonE & Guido want to make it all about the Red Sox. LOL. Just giving the dopes out there that have tried to make steroids a Yankee issue a taste of their own. I've always said throughout this that this was always a baseball-wide problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 I'm a Yankee fan... but I'm also a fan of the sport of baseball. Maybe it's wrong as a Yankee fan to think this is sad and a bad thing. I agree with you. I take no joy in the fact that a Yankee killer got busted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Monzino Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Wow, you have a pretty myopic view of the sport. Try and dispute it. You can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Try and dispute it. You can't. I won't waste my team debating with someone who actually thinks that way. here, you provide your "proof" first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 You said people are outraged because "hallowed records" are being broken. 500 home runs and 300 wins are not "records". They are milestones. And my being a Cubs fan has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. It was a joke, lighten up. Are there any milestones in football that anyone cares about? Fewer RBs have cleared 10,000 yards than hitters have hit 500 homeruns. Do they stop games and hold a ceremony when a guy passes the mark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Moses Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 It was a joke, lighten up. Are there any milestones in football that anyone cares about? Fewer RBs have cleared 10,000 yards than hitters have hit 500 homeruns. Do they stop games and hold a ceremony when a guy passes the mark? I remember a Jets Raiders game in Oakland where the game was stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 JASON WHITLOCK COMMENTARY Roberts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 I remember a Jets Raiders game in Oakland where the game was stopped. For what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 It was a joke, lighten up. Are there any milestones in football that anyone cares about? Fewer RBs have cleared 10,000 yards than hitters have hit 500 homeruns. Do they stop games and hold a ceremony when a guy passes the mark? Don Shula's wins is a big one (not a player, obviously) Total TDs is big- Rush Pass, Receive, Total We all witnessed Oakland stop a game on a Monday night to honor Brown, mid-game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 I agree with you. I take no joy in the fact that a Yankee killer got busted. Just another fraud. Who's left? Pujols? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 When does Ortiz get busted? Me and my mom were discussing this very same thing when she called me ansd told me ManRam was suspended. Ortiz is next on the list! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Just another fraud. Who's left? Pujols? Griffey and Jeter are the others looked to as the epitome of clean. We should probably add D Wright to that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 JASON WHITLOCK COMMENTARY Roberts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Don Shula's wins is a big one (not a player, obviously) Total TDs is big- Rush Pass, Receive, Total We all witnessed Oakland stop a game on a Monday night to honor Brown, mid-game It's not a routine thing in football, or at least it hasn't become one like it is in baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 For what? Tim Brown's 1,000th reception, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Moses Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Wow, you have a pretty myopic view of the sport. I once used the word ennui in a post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Just another fraud. Who's left? Pujols? I wouldn't be surprised if he was on a list. I agree with SD that Ken Griffey Jr. and Jeter might be the only legit great players of this era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 It was a joke, lighten up. Are there any milestones in football that anyone cares about? Fewer RBs have cleared 10,000 yards than hitters have hit 500 homeruns. Do they stop games and hold a ceremony when a guy passes the mark? A curtain call is a ceremony? Ah, yes, the "hallowed" curtain call. Damn you, PEDs, for robbing us of our innocence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 I wouldn't be surprised if he was on a list. I agree with SD that Ken Griffey Jr. and Jeter might be the only legit great players of this era. Yup I agree with SD for the most part and here's why I won't throw right on there quite yet. Both Jeter and Griffey are following that "normal curve" for players when they start getting older. Griff had injuries but now he's gotten slower, fatter, etc. Jeter has DEFINITELY lost a step and at least to me, his range doesn't look as good as it once did. Natural breaking down/wearing down of the body with no resurgance to me at least shows they are "normal" players. With Wright it's hard to say right now, but call me naive I do think he's smart enough to stay clean. Only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 A curtain call is a ceremony? Ah, yes, the "hallowed" curtain call. Damn you, PEDs, for robbing us of our innocence. curtain call a return to the lavatory for an 'encore dump' or a 'second sitting' " wow, i just had to have a curtain call with that one. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 A curtain call is a ceremony? Ah, yes, the "hallowed" curtain call. Damn you, PEDs, for robbing us of our innocence. You have no place in this conversation. If you don't understand what I am talking about, you don't understand sports. In baseball, records and milestones are everything. They define your career. If you cheat to attain those records and milestones through cheating it taints the accomplishment. In football, nobody can even tell you what the records are. If I say 714, you know that was Babe Ruth's home run total. Everybody self-respecting baseball fan should know that. If I say 12,302, how many people can tell you without looking it up that that was Jim Brown's yardage total? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Monzino Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 I won't waste my team debating with someone when I can't think of a reasonable response or argument. Fixed. It is so obvious that these two things were swipes at the Yankees that it is sick. You're in denial. To think anyone could have faith in guys like Bud Selig or Jerry Colangelo or any other major league owner is beyond belief. Colangelo was pretty open about his hatred for Steinbrenner at the time. He didn't hide it, ever. And if you really believe that Arizona turned down Alfonso Soriano and Nick Johnson in favor of Casey Fossum and Brandon Lyon because they thought it was a good baseball decision, you're dumber than you sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 If I say 714, you know that was Babe Ruth's home run total. Everybody self-respecting baseball fan should know that. I'm embarassed... I thought it was your cholesterol count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 I'm a Yankee fan... but I'm also a fan of the sport of baseball. Maybe it's wrong as a Yankee fan to think this is sad and a bad thing. no its not. its very sad. But some Yankee fans are more concerned that there werent more Red Sox on the Mitchell Report than about the entire steroid episode. As fans of baseball we should be pissed off by the entire sport being tainted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Fixed. It is so obvious that these two things were swipes at the Yankees that it is sick. You're in denial. To think anyone could have faith in guys like Bud Selig or Jerry Colangelo or any other major league owner is beyond belief. Colangelo was pretty open about his hatred for Steinbrenner at the time. He didn't hide it, ever. And if you really believe that Arizona turned down Alfonso Soriano and Nick Johnson in favor of Casey Fossum and Brandon Lyon because they thought it was a good baseball decision, you're dumber than you sound. Everything's a conspiracy theory against the Yankees. Ok. got it. You sound like Red Sox fans pre-2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 I'm pretty much done with baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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