Scott Dierking Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 -Betting on your own team while managing -Taking PED -Tipping pitches to the opposition Please take any name or team association out of the equation. Deal strictly with the sin committed. Feel free to add on sins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 I would definitely go with C as it directly impacts the outcome of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Of Bavaria Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 1-Betting on your own team while managing 2-Tipping pitches to the opposition 3-Taking PED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 taking roids tipping pitches betting You said betting not throwing games. If you are betting for your team that isn't a big issue in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 8, 2009 Author Share Posted May 8, 2009 taking roids tipping pitches betting You said betting not throwing games. If you are betting for your team that isn't a big issue in my mind. You have to look at it all angles though. Say you have a manager that bets on his own team to win, but does not bet all the games for his team to win. Let's say that he has a reliever who has worked 4 straight games, and is his closer out of the bullpen. Common sense and baseball protocol says that that player should get a rest that night. But, the manager has a bet on that game, and needs his closer to cover his losses. He puts him in, the player gets injured and needs surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Moses Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 -Betting on your own team while managing -Taking PED -Tipping pitches to the opposition Please take any name or team association out of the equation. Deal strictly with the sin committed. Feel free to add on sins. Tipping pitches. You are f'n some poor kid on your team pitching mop up duty and making his ERA worse than it probably already is. If Arod did this, he is a bigger scumbag than I initially gave him credit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBrick Wall Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 I would definitely go with C as it directly impacts the outcome of the game. PEDs can impact entire seasons though. I don't really know how to order them actually; they're all pretty bad and unforgivable, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Monzino Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 1) tipping pitches - cheating, but with the added layer of putting yourself before your teammates 2) PEDs - cheating 3) betting on your own team - illegal (stupidly so), but you know what? good for you. it would be a problem if you were betting against yourself and throwing games, but betting to win? great, shows you have balls and confidence in your guys. who does this hurt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 tipped pitches in A-rod's case doesn't bother me, it only affects vegas if the game is a 10 run blowout instead of a 13 run blowout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 8, 2009 Author Share Posted May 8, 2009 1) 3) betting on your own team - illegal (stupidly so), but you know what? good for you. it would be a problem if you were betting against yourself and throwing games, but betting to win? great, shows you have balls and confidence in your guys. who does this hurt? See my post above. The premise was a manager betting on his team, but not every night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Tipping pitches is essentially shaving points...so that, easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 8, 2009 Author Share Posted May 8, 2009 [quote name='Blackout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 sure but it's not like he was doing a Chicago Blacksox situation--INTENTIONALLY throwing a game he expected to get tipped pitches back, which means he can add back to the lead lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Monzino Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 See my post above. The premise was a manager betting on his team, but not every night. In your scenario, the manager is just an idiot. In-game decisions like that get managers fired. Any guy with half a brain is going to realize that his meal ticket is his manager's salary, not his single game bets. Not to mention, when you're illegally betting, you don't need to raise any red flags that bring attention to you. This isn't to say I encourage it. It's just a far less bad offense then direct cheating like steroids or tipping pitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 PEDs can impact entire seasons though. I don't really know how to order them actually; they're all pretty bad and unforgivable, in my opinion. PEDs were just so prevalent in baseball that I don't think they really mattered all that much. Virtually everyone was on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Monzino Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 PEDs were just so prevalent in baseball that I don't think they really mattered all that much. Virtually everyone was on them. The fact that "everyone" was doing it doesn't make it any less of a transgression. Are you saying you'd be madder if it was only 4 or 5 guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Moses Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Is there any proof Aroid did this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 See my post above. The premise was a manager betting on his team, but not every night. So the more games he bets on the less of a sin it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 The fact that "everyone" was doing it doesn't make it any less of a transgression. Are you saying you'd be madder if it was only 4 or 5 guys? I'm saying it would be more egregious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 I'm saying it would be more egregious. Are you 12? Everybody's doing it does NOT make anything ok or even less bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Are you 12? Everybody's doing it does NOT make anything ok or even less bad. No, if I were 12, I would resort to personal attacks in every other post. I miss when JN was JN, and morons like you were still on the other side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Moses Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 I miss when JN was JN, and morons like you were still on the other side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 No, if I were 12, I would resort to personal attacks in every other post. I miss when JN was JN, and morons like you were still on the other side. Grow up and get over it. I am not going to apologize for calling out stupid comments. If you take it personally, tough. Grow a thicker skin. I guess you are choosing not to address the idiocy of the "everybody's doing it" defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 8, 2009 Author Share Posted May 8, 2009 So the more games he bets on the less of a sin it is? In my mind, if a manager bets EVERY game, it is less of a sin, rather than betting selective games. Betting selective games sets off alerts in the gambling world. It is all bad though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Pete Rose bet on his team while managing That is by far the worst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 8, 2009 Author Share Posted May 8, 2009 No, if I were 12, I would resort to personal attacks in every other post. I miss when JN was JN, and morons like you were still on the other side. The 2nd batch of JI refugees could use some lessons in respectful dialogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Pete Rose bet on his team while managing That is by far the worst Personally, I think the Black Sox throwing the 1919 World Series is worse. Pete Rose never bet against the Reds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 The 2nd batch of JI refugees could use some lessons in respectful dialogue. So says the guys whose user title is "Jerk." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 8, 2009 Author Share Posted May 8, 2009 Personally, I think the Black Sox throwing the 1919 World Series is worse. Pete Rose never bet against the Reds. There were times that also DID NOT bet on his team. Would he mange his bullpen /players differently in those situations? Could he have ruined some careers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 8, 2009 Author Share Posted May 8, 2009 So says the guys whose user title is "Jerk." The point is, I get that I am a jerk. There are some people that need to be hit in the face with it, and still don't get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 There were times that also DID NOT bet on his team. Would he mange his bullpen /players differently in those situations? Could he have ruined some careers? Actually, I think the most damning indictment of Pete Rose as manager was that Lou Pinella won the WS in his first year with a Reds team that Pete finished second with four years in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 The point is, I get that I am a jerk. There are some people that need to be hit in the face with it, and still don't get it And some people have no sense of humor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Betting on your team Tipping pitches PED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 I would definitely go with C as it directly impacts the outcome of the game. Betting on the game could also have an outcome on the game no?As a player or a manager you can do something to impact the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Grow up and get over it. I am not going to apologize for calling out stupid comments. If you take it personally, tough. Grow a thicker skin. I guess you are choosing not to address the idiocy of the "everybody's doing it" defense. Maybe I would have responded to it if it wasn't prefaced with an insult. If someone has a different opinion than you, it doesn't make them 12 years old and it doesn't mean they "know nothing about sports". It means that you're an immature jackass that can't handle when someone dares have a different opinion than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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