Gainzo Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 The guy is playing lights out right now. 9 HR, 32 RBI, .323 BA and .677 SLG. I would like to personally thank Manny Rameriz for forcing the Red Sox to make the trade for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 I'd be happy, too. He's been great for you guys. Bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted May 9, 2009 Author Share Posted May 9, 2009 I'd be happy, too. He's been great for you guys. Bastard. The guy is great in the clutch and not a space cadet like Manny was. BTW: Nice outing by Sabathia tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 The guy is great in the clutch and not a space cadet like Manny was. BTW: Nice outing by Sabathia tonight. He's been one of the main reason's papi's demise is not a factor. Another great move by the Sox FO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Fukk Jason Bay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 He needs to be re-signed ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisaynon Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 gonna look good in Yankee pinstripes next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 He needs to be re-signed ASAP. Word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 gonna look good in Yankee pinstripes next season. Don't want him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 The guy is playing lights out right now. 9 HR, 32 RBI, .323 BA and .677 SLG. I would like to personally thank Manny Rameriz for forcing the Red Sox to make the trade for him. Manny was a key cog in 2 Championships, let Bay lead his team to a Championship before you crown the trade a success. I am still glad you made the deal no matter how well Bay is playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 con-tract year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Bay's been great and has turned into a real Yankee killer. The Sox have to resign him. Does anybody know if the Sox negotiate deals in the middle of the year? If they wait till the offseason he might get scooped up by someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 He plays in a ballpark that is like the golf course in Caddyshack 2 Any righty will have skewed #'s with that green monster out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 ie Mike Lowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Don't want him He's definitely not old enough. Or terrible enough in the field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisaynon Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 He's definitely not old enough. Or terrible enough in the field win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 He plays in a ballpark that is like the golf course in Caddyshack 2 Any righty will have skewed #'s with that green monster out there It's like he was bad in pittsburgh though. And Mike Lowell was a good player before he came to Boston too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Manny was a key cog in 2 Championships, let Bay lead his team to a Championship before you crown the trade a success. I am still glad you made the deal no matter how well Bay is playing. Being that Manny was basically throwing games and the Sox had to move him, Bay is a incredible return. I remember Tyler insinuating he would not handle the AL East.......He owns the AL East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 He plays in a ballpark that is like the golf course in Caddyshack 2 Any righty will have skewed #'s with that green monster out there Bay twice hit over 30HR's with 100 RBI's and double digit steals in Pitt with zero protection. He's a very good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 He needs to be re-signed ASAP. That's the trick . I was hoping we would have signed him during this past off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Manny was a key cog in 2 Championships, let Bay lead his team to a Championship before you crown the trade a success. I am still glad you made the deal no matter how well Bay is playing. ??? How can you NOT ? Manny's out for 50 games and has ruined the Dodgers season. Bay is Mr. Steady Eddie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Bay is the best player on the team. **** Youkilis, Pedroia, Drew, Ortiz, Beckett, Matsuzaka, Papelbon; Bay is the star. No roids either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Being that Manny was basically throwing games and the Sox had to move him, Bay is a incredible return. I remember Tyler insinuating he would not handle the AL East.......He owns the AL East. He didn't own the AL East in the ALCS last year. I'm still glad Manny is gone and happy Boston made that trade. ??? How can you NOT ? Manny's out for 50 games and has ruined the Dodgers season. Bay is Mr. Steady Eddie. Manny went through his not trying phases just about every year but did he ever noit try in postseason or when games mattered? That was when he was cute and cuddly "Manny being Manny" but now he's a villain despite delivering 2 Championships to a team that hadn't seen one since the teens. if he's on the team last october you have a better chance to win it all and w/o him you didn't do it- the trade so far for me has been a success froma Yankee fan perspective. If Boston wins more Championships and Bay is a reason why then it will have been a great trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Manny went through his not trying phases just about every year but did he ever noit try in postseason or when games mattered? That was when he was cute and cuddly "Manny being Manny" but now he's a villain despite delivering 2 Championships to a team that hadn't seen one since the teens. if he's on the team last october you have a better chance to win it all and w/o him you didn't do it- the trade so far for me has been a success froma Yankee fan perspective. If Boston wins more Championships and Bay is a reason why then it will have been a great trade. That is the great unknown about last season. What we do know, the team played better without Manny. They hit for a higher average and scored more runs. Now, that could have been a residual effect of trying to prove they could move on without Manny. Or it could be he was becoming a distraction. The same thing happened in 2004 with Nomar. It was not so much that the replacement (Bay or Mientkiewicz) were better, but the club house was better without the distraction of that one player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 He didn't own the AL East in the ALCS last year. I'm still glad Manny is gone and happy Boston made that trade. Manny went through his not trying phases just about every year but did he ever noit try in postseason or when games mattered? That was when he was cute and cuddly "Manny being Manny" but now he's a villain despite delivering 2 Championships to a team that hadn't seen one since the teens. if he's on the team last october you have a better chance to win it all and w/o him you didn't do it- the trade so far for me has been a success froma Yankee fan perspective. If Boston wins more Championships and Bay is a reason why then it will have been a great trade. You continue to not take into account that Manny was faking injuries, not taking the bat off his shoulders against the Yankees and overall leaving Boston in a no win situation. Any decent return, let alone a star like Jason Bay makes it a great trade. If Jason Bay was a Yankee I am sure we would see a much different opinion. Attaching PAST WS rings to the equation(while a Yankee fan fave thing to do) has nothing to do with this situation. If the Cubs win the WS this year with Soriano was the ARod trade a bad deal???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanDoug Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Jason Bay is from Trail, BC Here's his sister Lauren, who's the pitcher for the Canadian national team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted May 10, 2009 Author Share Posted May 10, 2009 You continue to not take into account that Manny was faking injuries, not taking the bat off his shoulders against the Yankees and overall leaving Boston in a no win situation. Any decent return, let alone a star like Jason Bay makes it a great trade. If Jason Bay was a Yankee I am sure we would see a much different opinion. Attaching PAST WS rings to the equation(while a Yankee fan fave thing to do) has nothing to do with this situation. If the Cubs win the WS this year with Soriano was the ARod trade a bad deal???? Couldn't have said it better myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted May 11, 2009 Author Share Posted May 11, 2009 Bay just did it again. Bottom of the 8th in a tied game and he hit one of the wall to drive in the go ahead run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Again I say. Re-sign this BEAST! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Lazy pop fly in any other ballpark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 You continue to not take into account that Manny was faking injuries, not taking the bat off his shoulders against the Yankees and overall leaving Boston in a no win situation. Any decent return, let alone a star like Jason Bay makes it a great trade. If Jason Bay was a Yankee I am sure we would see a much different opinion. Attaching PAST WS rings to the equation(while a Yankee fan fave thing to do) has nothing to do with this situation. If the Cubs win the WS this year with Soriano was the ARod trade a bad deal???? You seem to forget that he had done this before. I think it goes back as far as '03, he'd go through it about every year then get over it and he'd play great and helped Boston win alot of games. The ARod trdae was a terrible trade for us, ARod has never done anything meaningful for us like manny did for you. We had gone to 6 WS in 8 years before we got ARod, we haven't been to one since. Jason Bay has been great for Boston but you gave up your best hitter for him. A player that was a key to Championship runs. I loved the trade as a Yankee fan at the time and I still do. Until you win again and until he helps you win again I will feel that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 You seem to forget that he had done this before. I think it goes back as far as '03, he'd go through it about every year then get over it and he'd play great and helped Boston win alot of games. The ARod trdae was a terrible trade for us, ARod has never done anything meaningful for us like manny did for you. We had gone to 6 WS in 8 years before we got ARod, we haven't been to one since. Jason Bay has been great for Boston but you gave up your best hitter for him. A player that was a key to Championship runs. I loved the trade as a Yankee fan at the time and I still do. Until you win again and until he helps you win again I will feel that way. The Sox were never going to break even with a Manny trade. Pujols is the only bat that can replace Manny. If the Cardinals ever let him leave, they should lose that franchise. Anyways back to my point, like I said, short of Pujols no one was going to replace Manny. You might be able to replace the power. You might be able to replace the hitting, but it is unlikely you are going to find a .330-35 HR-130 RBI guy teams are willing to trade. The team also has some rights as well. As you said, it had been going back to 2003. It is obvious the team wanted to be rid of him when they gave him an irrevocable waivers and no one took a shot at him. Every year just as sure as there is a spring and summer there was some Manny drama on wanting to leave Boston. The Sox FO does not have to bend over and take it in the shorts even if he is immensely talented. I do not care if it is a team sport or managing an office environment, sometimes it is better to let the talented head case go just so the rest of the team/office can perform better without all the BS. Bay is not as talented as Manny, but Francona knows what he has and what he can do. He knew what he had in Manny as well, but he did not know day to day if he was getting 100% Manny, 50% Manny or Shut it down Manny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Lazy pop fly in any other ballpark Did he hit one towards right in Yankee stadium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 The Sox were never going to break even with a Manny trade. Pujols is the only bat that can replace Manny. If the Cardinals ever let him leave, they should lose that franchise. Anyways back to my point, like I said, short of Pujols no one was going to replace Manny. You might be able to replace the power. You might be able to replace the hitting, but it is unlikely you are going to find a .330-35 HR-130 RBI guy teams are willing to trade. The team also has some rights as well. As you said, it had been going back to 2003. It is obvious the team wanted to be rid of him when they gave him an irrevocable waivers and no one took a shot at him. Every year just as sure as there is a spring and summer there was some Manny drama on wanting to leave Boston. The Sox FO does not have to bend over and take it in the shorts even if he is immensely talented. I do not care if it is a team sport or managing an office environment, sometimes it is better to let the talented head case go just so the rest of the team/office can perform better without all the BS. Bay is not as talented as Manny, but Francona knows what he has and what he can do. He knew what he had in Manny as well, but he did not know day to day if he was getting 100% Manny, 50% Manny or Shut it down Manny. The Sox did a good job of getting what they got for Manny but they are still weaker w/o Manny. That talented head case was a HUGE reason you won 2 Championships, w/o him I'm not sure you do and I'm sure you'd rather have 2 w/o him than none w/ him, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 The Sox did a good job of getting what they got for Manny but they are still weaker w/o Manny. That talented head case was a HUGE reason you won 2 Championships, w/o him I'm not sure you do and I'm sure you'd rather have 2 w/o him than none w/ him, right? No doubt. And I thinking your rationale is why the Yankees are in trouble. I will forever be thankful for Manny's performance. My fondest live baseball moment is when Manny cranked a home run in KC one time. He absolutely crushed the ball. With that being said, the 2008 Manny was not the Dodger's Manny. In 80 total games with the Dodgers, Manny hit for a higher average with more HRs and RBIs then his last 100 games with Boston in '08. It is not like he was surrounded by more talent or playing in a more hitter friendly park. The 2008 Manny is not the same Manny from 1999-2004. You can deal with Manny's idiosyncrasies when he mashing .340-40HRs-140 RBIs every season. However, when he is an ass clown and only hitting .300-20HRs-100 RBIs, well you are no longer untouchable. Those are still nice numbers, but they are replaceable numbers. I do not care Manny wanted to leave Boston. It was obvious from his play, his time was done. Thanks for the memories and do not let the door hit your ass on the way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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