BwanaZulia Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 I know nobody wants good news about the stadium (**** WOODY!! **** PSLS!!! **** EVERYONE!!!!) but... EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- The New York Jets and New York Giants signed a memorandum of understanding with the Environmental Protection Agency that will make their new $1.6 billion football stadium in the New Jersey Meadowlands one of the greenest in professional sports. The agreement details ways the teams will reduce air pollution, conserve water and energy, improve waste management and reduce the environmental impact of construction on the stadium that is scheduled to open for the 2010 season. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4222690&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Woody is interested in all things green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Of Bavaria Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Woody is interested in all things green. Except the team wearing the green uniforms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Woody is interested in all things green. I should hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Being environmental conscious in the middle of the swamps seems ironic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 even the global warming people stopped calling it global warming because it was all junk science. just another way for those in power to control behavior and increase power. very machiavellian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 im all for better toilets, recycling, and waste disposal. im just wondering if they've cleaned up the huge pile of dung the Jets left on the field last December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSJets Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 So the whole stadium is pretty much recycled parts and materials? I wonder how long it will be before this behemoth starts to fall apart and sinks into the swamp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 So the whole stadium is pretty much recycled parts and materials? I wonder how long it will be before this behemoth starts to fall apart and sinks into the swamp. My thoughts exactly. Good to see the $1.6 billion stadium might last 15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 My thoughts exactly. Good to see the $1.6 billion stadium might last 15 years. they hope it only lasts 15 years so they can find a new bunch of suckers to buy PSL's for another new stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 im all for better toilets, recycling, and waste disposal. im just wondering if they've cleaned up the huge pile of dung the Jets left on the field last December. I wouldn't worry 'bout that. Your new QB, Dirty Sanchez, will just eat it. That's great! So when he sh*ts his pants this season, no worries! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 I wouldn't worry 'bout that. Your new QB, Dirty Sanchez, will just eat it. That's great! So when he sh*ts his pants this season, no worries! Wow. That's just a way over the top and absolutely terribly failed attempt at humor. I expect more out of you people. This is very disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Wow. That's just a way over the top and absolutely terribly failed attempt at humor. I expect more out of you people. This is very disappointing. Hey, I made myself chuckle and in MY world, that's all that matters. Moi. Hey, I was thinking of purchasing a new Patsie Jersey during lunch. Woulld you like me to pick up a Moss one for you? I hear you like to sleep in Patriots jerseys, and you have worn your Welker one out. Lord knows how you wear out a jersey - and no, I do not want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Hey, I made myself checkle and in MY world, that's all that matters. Moi. Hey, I was thinking of purchasing a new Patsie Jersey during lunch. Woulld you like me to pick up a Moss one for you? I hear you like to sleep in Patriots jerseys, and you have worn your Welker one out. Lord knows how you wear out a jersey - and no, I do not want to know. Why would I want a Moss jersey? I wipe my ass with toilet paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 This one might be a little bit more fitting for you Garb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Why would I want a Moss jersey? I wipe my ass with toilet paper. Why? 'Cause it's pretty plain to see that you loveded him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Wow. That's just a way over the top and absolutely terribly failed attempt at humor. I expect more out of you people. This is very disappointing. Lesson is never expect anything from Garb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Why? 'Cause it's pretty plain to see that you loveded him. How is recognizing that he is significantly more important to the Pats and about 1000000 times better a player than Wes Welker the same as "loving" Randy Moss? I simply made a statement of fact that everybody on the planet except four Pats fans who post on this board and 124 recognize as inherintly true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Moss has better talent, but players like Welker are more important to New England's success. That is the fact. I would think New England fans know what they are talking about. They watch their team every single game for years. They've seen what wins and Moss is nothing more but a luxury, but New England has a better chance of winning with 5 Welker's than 1 Moss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Moss has better talent, but players like Welker are more important to New England's success. That is the fact. Keep drinking the kool aid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Moss has better talent, but players like Welker are more important to New England's success. That is the fact. I would think New England fans know what they are talking about. They watch their team every single game for years. They've seen what wins and Moss is nothing more but a luxury, but New England has a better chance of winning with 5 Welker's than 1 Moss. Sorry Joe, gotta disagree. Without Moss, Welker is a Chrebet clone. Solid guy and solid player. Nothing more. With Moss, Welker's numbers reach elite status. Welker needs Moss far more than Moss needs him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Sorry Joe, gotta disagree. Without Moss, Welker is a Chrebet clone. Solid guy and solid player. Nothing more. With Moss, Welker's numbers reach elite status. Welker needs Moss far more than Moss needs him. It doesn't matter how many times this is explained to him. Joe sees that Welker had more catches and therefore he must be more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 It doesn't matter how many times this is explained to him. Joe sees that Welker had more catches and therefore he must be more important. That actually is not how I define a player and his importance to a team. I just watch the games with an open mind of all players and you can see it by watching the games. You can see how past Patriot teams won, and how they do not need a Randy Moss to win. He is a luxury. Don't believe me? Ask 99% of New England fans and they'll tell you the same thing and unlike you, me and every other Jet fan, they see all of their teams games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Sorry Joe, gotta disagree. Without Moss, Welker is a Chrebet clone. Solid guy and solid player. Nothing more. With Moss, Welker's numbers reach elite status. Welker needs Moss far more than Moss needs him. Welker could still succeed without Moss in New England's system, its not a matter of which player needs the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Welker could still succeed without Moss in New England's system, its not a matter of which player needs the other. Welker would be a very good possession receiver who averaged about 65-70 catches a season without Randy Moss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Welker would be a very good possession receiver who averaged about 65-70 catches a season without Randy Moss. I tend to disagree as long as he is playing in New England. I don't think he'd haul in 110 receptions, but easily 85-90, IMO. Other players would pick up the slack on the outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Welker could still succeed without Moss in New England's system, its not a matter of which player needs the other. Sure, at a far lesser degree. He'd range in the 800-1000 yard range which is very respectable. He is the type of receiver that takes advantage of defenses focusing on an elite outside receiver that can hurt them deep. Without that type of receiver on the team Welker wouldn't put up anywhere near what he does now with Moss. He's good on his own, but he's great with Moss. Moss is great no matter who is lined up with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 I tend to disagree as long as he is playing in New England. I don't think he'd haul in 110 receptions, but easily 85-90, IMO. Other players would pick up the slack on the outside. There aren't any receivers in the league that can "pick up the slack" left by Randy Moss. Fitzgerald is the only one. You're dreaming if you think Laverneous Coles type receivers would allow Welker to produce numbers like he does now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 That actually is not how I define a player and his importance to a team. I just watch the games with an open mind of all players and you can see it by watching the games. You can see how past Patriot teams won, and how they do not need a Randy Moss to win. He is a luxury. Don't believe me? Ask 99% of New England fans and they'll tell you the same thing and unlike you, me and every other Jet fan, they see all of their teams games. I see most of New England's games. Half of them are on national television in primetime every year so they are unavoidable. I watch the Jets games in a sports bar and the Pats game is usually on the big screen next to the Jets game when they play at the same time. If Randy Moss were to go down, Welker's production would drop off a cliff as the safety would no longer need to account for Moss and would give help underneath to take Welker out. It actually only takes a pretty basic understanding of the game to grasp this concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Newsflash: There are other ways to use Wes Welker than how New England uses him. There can be more plays drawn up, players who can take out the safety that may or may not roll over on the given play, etc. You both are looking at it one clear cut picture, not the whole thing of the game. The minds are more creative than you give them credit for. Far more creative. Wes Welker's would drop a little, but they wouldn't go down huge. Not in New England. If you can't see that, I can't help you. New England will just continue to win, like they did before Moss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Newsflash: There are other ways to use Wes Welker than how New England uses him. There can be more plays drawn up, players who can take out the safety that may or may not roll over on the given play, etc. You both are looking at it one clear cut picture, not the whole thing of the game. The minds are more creative than you give them credit for. Far more creative. Wes Welker's would drop a little, but they wouldn't go down huge. Not in New England. If you can't see that, I can't help you. New England will just continue to win, like they did before Moss. What are you looking to debate, Welker or whether NE will win? I don't think anyone doubts NE would still be successful without Moss. No one doubts they wouldn't be successful with Welker either. They're not a team dependent on one part, as so plainy demonstrated with them still going 11-5 without Brady. What we're debating is the numbers that Welker would attain without Moss. Moss commands a Safety's full and undevided attention at all times as well as the CB who is covering him. Welker can't be covered by LB's succesfully. The other safety has to at least respect covering over the other outside receiver, which in turn leaves Welker on a Nickel back or a LB alone. Dedicating a Safety to him as well leaves the potential of an outside reciever running alone, 1 on 1 almost at all times. he will win that match. Without a receiver like Moss, you can dedicate that Safety to shadow Welker with the LB/NB, and leave the other Safety playing cover 1 and shade to the CB who needs help. He could read the play and react. The Cb's are going to have an easier time covering the receivers not named Moss. It's plain and simple. Welker is a receiver who takes advantage of what Defenses give whern forced to pick their poison. If Welker is the strongest poison he's not coming anywhere near 100 catches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Welker's numbers without Moss wouldn't eclipse 100 receptions if they kept the same offense, but without Moss the offense would be completely different to begin with. The schemes and everything. The offense is completely different with Moss in it. Without him in it, Welker would be put in the best position to succeed in New England. Thats how they do things up there. He has a real coach, a real Quarterback, unlike what he had in Miami when he had absolute garbage surrounding him EVERYWHERE. He is an 80-90 reception receiver, with Moss and the system they currently employ, he can be more productive. But withous Moss, everything changes. Welker is still productive, still leading the team in receptions. Still changing games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 I got an invitation to go to that press event, but I'm too busy and it was too much of a trip during the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 What are you looking to debate, Welker or whether NE will win? I don't think anyone doubts NE would still be successful without Moss. No one doubts they wouldn't be successful with Welker either. They're not a team dependent on one part, as so plainy demonstrated with them still going 11-5 without Brady. What we're debating is the numbers that Welker would attain without Moss. Moss commands a Safety's full and undevided attention at all times as well as the CB who is covering him. Welker can't be covered by LB's succesfully. The other safety has to at least respect covering over the other outside receiver, which in turn leaves Welker on a Nickel back or a LB alone. Dedicating a Safety to him as well leaves the potential of an outside reciever running alone, 1 on 1 almost at all times. he will win that match. Without a receiver like Moss, you can dedicate that Safety to shadow Welker with the LB/NB, and leave the other Safety playing cover 1 and shade to the CB who needs help. He could read the play and react. The Cb's are going to have an easier time covering the receivers not named Moss. It's plain and simple. Welker is a receiver who takes advantage of what Defenses give whern forced to pick their poison. If Welker is the strongest poison he's not coming anywhere near 100 catches. ....um.....2001 Troy Brown says hello. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 ....um.....2001 Troy Brown says hello. Browns retired. Time to let go T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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