SouthernJet Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 I think this is a great idea..Take the multiple little ethnic stores that are in little strip malls and combine into one big ethnic centric location.. In Raleigh, they have a big Chinese population and they opened a Chinese superstore that has everything, food, art, movies, clothes etc and its a HUGE success.. Supermercado de Walmart Opens Updated: Wednesday, 10 Jun 2009, 7:41 AM MDT Published : Wednesday, 10 Jun 2009, 6:23 AM MDT PHOENIX - Walmart is trying to dive deeper into the $90 billion-a-year Hispanic grocery market by opening a new supermarket in west Phoenix today. The Supermercado de Walmart is one of two stores nationwide that will test the country's appetite for a possible string of Hispanic supermarkets. The giant retailer says its other store that opened in Houston April 29 is far exceeding expectations. Phoenix and Houston were chosen for their large, multigenerational Hispanic populations with considerable spending power. Arizona has about 2 million Hispanic consumers. Walmart has gained considerable knowledge and experience marketing to consumers in Mexico and Latin America and hopes to leverage it to boost sales to U.S. Hispanics, who have an estimated buying power of about $1 trillion a year. A study of Hispanic buying power by Oklahoma State University found that Hispanics spend a larger portion of their household incomes on food -- $128.50 per week compared with $91 for non-Hispanics, or approx. 40% more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagoots Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 A study of Hispanic buying power by Oklahoma State University found that Hispanics spend a larger portion of their household incomes on food -- $128.50 per week compared with $91 for non-Hispanics, or approx. 40% more. Man, those beaners like to eat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 Man, those beaners like to eat! I think thats the point..They are forced to buy at small independent shops that charge more.. If Walmart can buy in bulk, these peoples food bills will surely go down. Non Spanish buy at supermarkets and have lower bills .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Can't we just let them die? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 I think thats the point..They are forced to buy at small independent shops that charge more.. If Walmart can buy in bulk, these peoples food bills will surely go down. Non Spanish buy at supermarkets and have lower bills .. And all the independent business owners whose livelihood relies on those shops, all the local suppliers who can't afford to meet walmarts price points, all the workers at all of these places along the chain lose their jobs. Walmart, IMO, has as much to do with the downfall of the economy as Lehman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 And all the independent business owners whose livelihood relies on those shops, all the local suppliers who can't afford to meet walmarts price points, all the workers at all of these places along the chain lose their jobs. Walmart, IMO, has as much to do with the downfall of the economy as Lehman. well, its called Free Market.. Its what made us great..do some get hurt? sure, but still best system on planet.. Now Venus on the other hand, has a helluva economic system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Can't we just let them die? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 well, its called Free Market.. Its what made us great..do some get hurt? sure, but still best system on planet.. I agree, to an extent of course. The anti-trade laws will come for walmart, it's only a matter of time. The question is, will it be too late. Either way, Walmart hurts Americans, big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 And all the independent business owners whose livelihood relies on those shops, all the local suppliers who can't afford to meet walmarts price points, all the workers at all of these places along the chain lose their jobs. Walmart, IMO, has as much to do with the downfall of the economy as Lehman. +1 There was a great program on Frontline a few years ago on Wal-Mart's practices. Here is a link http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 And all the independent business owners whose livelihood relies on those shops, all the local suppliers who can't afford to meet walmarts price points, all the workers at all of these places along the chain lose their jobs. Walmart, IMO, has as much to do with the downfall of the economy as Lehman. Great post IMHO. Someone's been reading my mind. I rarely shop ay WalMart but choose , rather, the small business owner. After all the smaller places are boarded up and WalMart is the only game in town watch the prices soar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryK Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 I like to buy Korean food at a local market. The KimChi is made by the older mother of the owner. It rocks. The lady also pre-makes and freezes marinated entrees: beef for bulgogi, japtang-bap etc. WalMart will put these people out of business and sell big cans of laChoy's "fake chinese for white people". What a country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 I like to buy Korean food at a local market. The KimChi is made by the older mother of the owner. It rocks. The lady also pre-makes and freezes marinated entrees: beef for bulgogi, japtang-bap etc. WalMart will put these people out of business and sell big cans of laChoy's "fake chinese for white people". What a country. Indeed. Walmart blows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 +1 There was a great program on Frontline a few years ago on Wal-Mart's practices. Here is a link http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/ Thanks. I saw the doc 'Walmart: The High Cost of Low Prices', but have not seen this one. Will check it out sometime this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Boycott The WalMart! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 clothes used gto be made by local tailors, food by local farmer, wagons by local cooper etc.. Times change with mass population etc..If you desire the small momand pops thats great but u may need to look hard for areas where they rae still popular.. I also use mom and pops when i can, but u have to admire american capitalism at its best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Boycott The WalMart! I haven't gone into a Wal Mart in 5 years. I can't stand that place, from the creepy crypt keeper-esque greeter at the front door to the throngs of people looking for the magical bargains that will make their budget work. The problem I have is it shares a driveway with Dicks Sporting goods and I usually I have to park in another time zone when I need to go buy something. I'm still a fan of the old fashion grocery store and specialty shops. You spend a little more but you get the urge to kill much less people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 I haven't gone into a Wal Mart in 5 years. I can't stand that place, from the creepy crypt keeper-esque greeter at the front door to the throngs of people looking for the magical bargains that will make their budget work. The problem I have is it shares a driveway with Dicks Sporting goods and I usually I have to park in another time zone when I need to go buy something. I'm still a fan of the old fashion grocery store and specialty shops. You spend a little more but you get the urge to kill much less people. that old greeter may be you some day when the hot wife throws you out after the crusher becomes the 'used to crush-her' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryK Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 clothes used gto be made by local tailors, food by local farmer, wagons by local cooper etc.. Times change with mass population etc..If you desire the small momand pops thats great but u may need to look hard for areas where they rae still popular.. I also use mom and pops when i can, but u have to admire american capitalism at its best I think the Mom & Pops are American capitalism at it's best. As nations age, they all tend to drift toward Oligarchy, where 3 to 10 companies (like WalMart) run everything. America should have a dialogue about what that drift means to us, and whether our antitrust laws provide ample protection against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 that old greeter may be you some day when the hot wife throws you out after the crusher becomes the 'used to crush-her' LOL.. First off Im Italian, we don't end up being greeters at Wal-Mart, we end up sitting on the back porch of our kids house and teaching our grandkids how to play pitch and pinochle. Secondly, as you referred to Ms. Crusher and I. If I do slow down later we can still play jungle Gym. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 I think the Mom & Pops are American capitalism at it's best. As nations age, they all tend to drift toward Oligarchy, where 3 to 10 companies (like WalMart) run everything. America should have a dialogue about what that drift means to us, and whether our antitrust laws provide ample protection against it. capitalism is evolving..mom and pops were a cycle, and now a niche.. walmart is now,,it will change for sure ,,but its all a evolving process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 capitalism is evolving..mom and pops were a cycle, and now a niche.. walmart is now,,it will change for sure ,,but its all a evolving process No one would argue that walmart isn't 'now', but there are few intelligent arguments as to why walmart is as a whole, good for American capitalism or the American consumer. There's more to it than just low prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Walmart is not a favorite in any industry. From groceries to clothing, they are seen as nuisance and a 3 headed monster that has to be dealt with. All I will say is that in my job... we try to find any advantage of keeping Walmart OUT of what we're doing, because they literally rape and exploit everything, crippling companies around them. The free market also doesn't condone a one to see all and control all sort of company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 clothes used gto be made by local tailors, food by local farmer, wagons by local cooper etc.. Times change with mass population etc..If you desire the small momand pops thats great but u may need to look hard for areas where they rae still popular.. I also use mom and pops when i can, but u have to admire american capitalism at its best Admire USA capitalism yes. WalMart ? NO. They started out with a "made in USA" BS line. I defy you to find any clothes in there made here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Walmart is not a favorite in any industry. From groceries to clothing, they are seen as nuisance and a 3 headed monster that has to be dealt with. All I will say is that in my job... we try to find any advantage of keeping Walmart OUT of what we're doing, because they literally rape and exploit everything, crippling companies around them. The free market also doesn't condone a one to see all and control all sort of company. Great post !! Many towns out here (WHY) have voted NO to Walmarts coming in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 If consumers don't want it, they won't shop there. As bad as they are in many areas (labor in particular), you can't cite their low price-fixing as evil but others' higher price-fixing as good. In the end, they all serve the consumer. If the consumers don't want their junk, they won't shop there. Personally, I never shop there ever. But times are tough; I would hardly fault someone making minimum wage for shopping there instead of someplace with higher prices but maybe has better service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 Admire USA capitalism yes. WalMart ? NO. They started out with a "made in USA" BS line. I defy you to find any clothes in there made here. why should they have them made in US by overpaid Union labor?? same as car industry.. be smart or sink.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 If consumers don't want it, they won't shop there. As bad as they are in many areas (labor in particular), you can't cite their low price-fixing as evil but others' higher price-fixing as good. In the end, they all serve the consumer. If the consumers don't want their junk, they won't shop there. Personally, I never shop there ever. But times are tough; I would hardly fault someone making minimum wage for shopping there instead of someplace with higher prices but maybe has better service. Great post..I dont shop there either, except for the BIG Bag of Skittles you can get there.., But if they are so bad, then they would go bankrupt..Its all about free choice.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
war ensemble Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 As bad as they are in many areas (labor in particular), you can't cite their low price-fixing as evil but others' higher price-fixing as good. It might not be applicable in this scenario, but I have to disagree with the basic premise that "you can't cite low price-fixing as evil but others' higher price-fixing as good." It's the end result that allows you to judge it. If they establish lower prices and keep these prices low, I have no problem with it (as long as it's established through fair business methods), while many companies have used US capitalism to fix prices so low to force others out of business. Once they gained a monopoly the prices skyrocket. Seeing as it would be almost impossible in this day and age to establish a monopoly over almost any commodity, that's not as big a worry. But you can just look at all the railroad barons, etc. to see how lower price-fixing, although good at first for the consumer, can potentially harm the consumer more in the long term. It's not cool to establish artificially low prices because you have the wallet to handle those losses for the sake of removing competition and then resorting to price gauging, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 why should they have them made in US by overpaid Union labor?? same as car industry.. be smart or sink.. Yeah, why provide some jobs in this country when you open up a factory in Laos and employ a bunch of 12 year old's. The 12 year olds will work for peanuts and wouldn't complain about not getting paid for overtime, vacation and hazardous working conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 why should they have them made in US by overpaid Union labor?? same as car industry.. be smart or sink.. You missed my point. When they 1st opened here WalMart was touting the "made in USA " line to get people in. I think it was within a few years that every f'ing textile in the place was made in Slopeville or Chink City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Yeah, why provide some jobs in this country when you open up a factory in Laos and employ a bunch of 12 year old's. The 12 year olds will work for peanuts and wouldn't complain about not getting paid for overtime, vacation and hazardous working conditions. That's the Nike "Just do it " way. Phil Knight's a POS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 That's the Nike "Just do it " way. Phil Knight's a POS. Yup. It's a shame that so many American companies are engaging in these practices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted June 11, 2009 Author Share Posted June 11, 2009 Union contracts are killing many US companies.. Guaranteed full pay if laid off, full pay retirement, huge pay scale for work tha tcan be done much cheaper somewhere else.. Its called free enterprise.. The Unions can strike and get big contracts, BUT, the company has right to say 'ehh, i think i can do better somewhere else' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 If consumers don't want it, they won't shop there. As bad as they are in many areas (labor in particular), you can't cite their low price-fixing as evil but others' higher price-fixing as good. In the end, they all serve the consumer. If the consumers don't want their junk, they won't shop there. Personally, I never shop there ever. But times are tough; I would hardly fault someone making minimum wage for shopping there instead of someplace with higher prices but maybe has better service. Most consumers don't realize the damage the cause, and only care about the low-low prices. Many consumers in these areas have no other options because their economies were decimated by walmart, and there's a fair enough chance they lost their jobs and can't afford anything more than walmart. As to the current ecomonic situation. Walmart was booming while the dow was hitting 14K, this has NOTHING to do with saving money TODAY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 But if they are so bad, then they would go bankrupt..Its all about free choice.. Because in our world, honesty, transparency, responsibility and just plain being nice ALWAYS win out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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