Blackout Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 at the same position, who would it be? I'm going all offense here: I'd replace Sanchez with Colts QB Peyton Manning I'd replace Thomas Jones with Vikings RB Adrian Peterson and I'd replace Stuckey (or whoever lines across from Cotchery) with Arizona WR Larry Fitzgerald if you could make upgrades to the Jets, who would you take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqua4ever04 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 If I'm trying to improve the Jets... DeMarcus Ware over Calvin Pace. Larry Fitzgerald over Jericho Cotchery (it's gotta be the #1 because that's what Fitzy is.) Drew Brees over Mark Sanchez / Kellen Clemens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjakecity Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 1) Wide Receiver-Fitzgerald (over Stuckey) 2) Quarterback-Matt Ryan (over Sanchez/Clemens) 3) Outside Linebacker-Demarcus Ware (over Bryan Thomas-I think our pass rush improves this year, but it would be sick with him on the outside) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqua4ever04 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 1) Wide Receiver-Fitzgerald. 2) Quarterback-Matt Ryan. 3) Outside Linebacker-Demarcus Ware (I think our pass rush improves this year, but it would be sick with him on the outside) Just out of curiousity, are you taking Matt Ryan because he's young? And yeah, there is a very extremely short list of players I'd take over DeMarcus Ware in this league and the only two guys are quarterbacks. (Brees and Manning.) When considering this, you have to consider the premiere positions (quarterback, pass rusher and left tackle.) I might take Joe Thomas or Jake Long over D'Brick, but I think there are more significant upgrades throughout the rest of the roster because D'Brick is a pretty good player whereas the Jets have nothing at receiver and quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Sam Kock over Hodges.. Nick Folk over Feely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjakecity Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Just out of curiousity, are you taking Matt Ryan because he's young? And yeah, there is a very extremely short list of players I'd take over DeMarcus Ware in this league and the only two guys are quarterbacks. (Brees and Manning.) When considering this, you have to consider the premiere positions (quarterback, pass rusher and left tackle.) I might take Joe Thomas or Jake Long over D'Brick, but I think there are more significant upgrades throughout the rest of the roster because D'Brick is a pretty good player whereas the Jets have nothing at receiver and quarterback. Mostly yes. Brees was a good choice and I probably would have taken him if I gave it more thought. But for the most part, I couldn't really think of many young franchise quarterbacks in the NFL. Most of the franchise ones are older (save for Brees and maybe Rivers). Cutler is too much of a headcase at this point to be considered franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqua4ever04 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Mostly yes. Brees was a good choice and I probably would have taken him if I gave it more thought. But for the most part, I couldn't really think of many young franchise quarterbacks in the NFL. Most of the franchise ones are older (save for Brees and maybe Rivers). Cutler is too much of a headcase at this point to be considered franchise. It really makes a fan concerned for the quality of the league in coming years. With all this revolutionizing of slash offenses predicated on speed and no passing progressions, development has been terrible and we're seeing less and less quality products come into the pro ranks. I'm not touching Cutler with a 10 foot pole because he's vulnerable to 20 INT seasons and doesn't make up for it with the 35 TD tosses. Phillip Rivers is the young guy I want (along with Matt Ryan of course.) I love Rivers' fire and passion for winning. Most of these young passers have serious question marks. The guys drafted in the past 3-4 years just aren't much to glamour over. Trent Edwards - Meh, jittery, not overwhelming physical tools and afraid to take shots. Brady Quinn - Highly inaccurate, pretty boy but not a producer. Vince Young - Hahaha! Yeah. Jamarcus Russell - See above. Aaron Rodgers - Actually love this guy and think he'll be special. He's ahead of Cutler in my opinion. Alex Smith - Oh boy. Matt Leinart - Doesn't know how to work hard and deal with adversity because he's never had too. There's not much of a young talent infusion at the quarterback position presently in the league; it's beyond worriesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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drago Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Brooks Bollinger over Sanchez Adrian Clarke over Faneca Gholston over Pace oh wait, we still have gholston? Super Bowl here we come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqua4ever04 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Manning is a fraud. It is Brady, Peterson (Good Call) and Champ Bailey. With Revis on one sie and Bailey on the other, that abysmal pass rush could be effective. Try turning on a game and make your own opinions rather than watching ESPN. Champ Bailey is terribly over rated and got beat deep plenty of times last year. ESPN thinks Bailey is the best, any fan that watches a little bit of ball knows that Nnamdi Asomugha is HANDS DOWN the best corner in the game. And Peyton Manning is twice the passer Tom Brady is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 20, 2009 Author Share Posted June 20, 2009 Try turning on a game and make your own opinions rather than watching ESPN. Champ Bailey is terribly over rated and got beat deep plenty of times last year. ESPN thinks Bailey is the best, any fan that watches a little bit of ball knows that Nnamdi Asomugha is HANDS DOWN the best corner in the game. And Peyton Manning is twice the passer Tom Brady is. Nnamdi Asomugha will be an ESPN commentator when his career is over...he's very articulate and has friends there I've read Nnamdi and Revis....you can't throw on that core Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Aqua4ever04 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 By the way, taking Peterson over Ware would be foolish. He's great and I don't want to say running backs are a dime-a-dozen, but you can find production from a lot of tailbacks where premiere pass rushers are quite a rarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 20, 2009 Author Share Posted June 20, 2009 yep I've heard him on Colin Cowherd and seen him on ?NFL Live/Cold Pizza/ESPN 2 show? and both times he brought money to the microphone oh and he's not a selfish Me-guy like Deion or KEyshawn...two ESPN mistakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 DE seymour TE miller WR fitzy not flashy, but that team would be tough to beat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqua4ever04 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 DE seymour TE miller WR fitzy not flashy, but that team would be tough to beat You get to pick any three players in the league and you're including Richard Seymour and Heath (Zach?) Miller? I know you don't honestly believe in that decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Quarterback: Tom Brady over Mark Sanchez Defensive End: Haloti Ngata over Marques Douglas #2 Wide Receiver: Anquan Boldin over Brad Smith (this way we can still keep Cotchery) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqua4ever04 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Quarterback: Tom Brady over Mark Sanchez Defensive End: Haloti Ngata over Marques Douglas #2 Wide Receiver: Anquan Boldin over Brad Smith (this way we can still keep Cotchery) Very clever move there with the #2 WR, Joe. Haloti Ngata is a stud and I think defensive end is your biggest hole so I also like that move. But if I ever have a chance to pick from a crop of players, there's no way you're getting me to pass on DeMarcus Ware. The only team that I would say it was a smart move to pass on Ware would be the Steelers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Very clever move there with the #2 WR, Joe. Haloti Ngata is a stud and I think defensive end is your biggest hole so I also like that move. But if I ever have a chance to pick from a crop of players, there's no way you're getting me to pass on DeMarcus Ware. The only team that I would say it was a smart move to pass on Ware would be the Steelers. Everyone wants to replace Cotchery with C.Johnson, A.Johnson, Fitzgerald, Burress or Marshall, but why not just keep Cotchery and add Anquan Boldin? As for Ngata, his ability to play all 3 positions on the line makes him very valuable and a line of Ngata, Jenkins & Ellis would be very hard for any Offensive Line to deal with. I like Ware, I do, but if I were to take someone to replace Calvin Pace it would be Terrell Suggs, not DeMarcus Ware. I was thinking of who plays the other side where Bryan Thomas/Vernon Gholston will line up, but I couldn't think of anyone that dynamic. Shaun Phillips maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqua4ever04 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 I like Ware, I do, but if I were to take someone to replace Calvin Pace it would be Terrell Suggs, not DeMarcus Ware. I was thinking of who plays the other side where Bryan Thomas/Vernon Gholston will line up, but I couldn't think of anyone that dynamic. Shaun Phillips maybe? Shaun Phillips doesn't get enough credit; he's a special player. Terrell Suggs is pretty special, but I really do believe that DeMarcus Ware is the Peyton Manning of pass rushers; no one is better and it's really not close (just so you know, I think Peyton Manning is head and shoulders above all QBs.) I was thinking about strong side backer myself; but that's not a premium position that I would even consider. I think you have to look at QB, LT and pass rusher first. Then you can begin to delve into luxuries like tailbacks, receivers and what not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 I was thinking about strong side backer myself; but that's not a premium position that I would even consider. I think you have to look at QB, LT and pass rusher first. Then you can begin to delve into luxuries like tailbacks, receivers and what not. If we were to do that I would do: QB: Brady over Sanchez (Sorry dude, I cannot trust Peyton Manning with anything on the line.) LT: Your very own Jake Long over D'Brick (I mean, theres a couple others I could pick, but Jake's a Michigan man ) OLB: Terrell Suggs over Calvin Pace. T-Sizzle is my favorite pass rusher in the NFL, although I do respect Ware a lot, I just would prefer Suggs in Ryan's system on the fact that he is proven that he can succeed in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 20, 2009 Author Share Posted June 20, 2009 If we were to do that I would do: QB: Brady over Sanchez (Sorry dude, I cannot trust Peyton Manning with anything on the line.) LT: Your very own Jake Long over D'Brick (I mean, theres a couple others I could pick, but Jake's a Michigan man ) OLB: Terrell Suggs over Calvin Pace. T-Sizzle is my favorite pass rusher in the NFL, although I do respect Ware a lot, I just would prefer Suggs in Ryan's system on the fact that he is proven that he can succeed in it. peyton manning is a lock for 12 wins a year and has 3 MVP awards....and with Fitzgerald and Cotchery how can you go wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 peyton manning is a lock for 12 wins a year and has 3 MVP awards....and with Fitzgerald and Cotchery how can you go wrong If you're taking Fitzgerald (a #1), you are getting rid of Cotchery. Peyton Manning is a lock for 12 regular season wins a year. Good for him. Tom Brady is a lock for giving your team a much better chance at winning a Super Bowl. Which is more important? A regular season stat machine or a winner? But since you love stats, take a look at Brady's 2007 campaign. Don't worry, you'll see similar #'s this season. Brady anyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqua4ever04 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 If we were to do that I would do: QB: Brady over Sanchez (Sorry dude, I cannot trust Peyton Manning with anything on the line.) LT: Your very own Jake Long over D'Brick (I mean, theres a couple others I could pick, but Jake's a Michigan man ) OLB: Terrell Suggs over Calvin Pace. T-Sizzle is my favorite pass rusher in the NFL, although I do respect Ware a lot, I just would prefer Suggs in Ryan's system on the fact that he is proven that he can succeed in it. Let's talk about left tackles for a moment. Who would you consider the elite left tackles in the business? I love Long, obviously, Joe Thomas is a terrific player, Jason Peters used to be up there; who do you like? Jordon Gross has an outstanding year last year; he's one of the unsung players in the league. And I take Peyton Manning every day. Better passer, smarter, and carried some TERRIBLE defensive teams deep into the post-season. He also carried a mediocre Indianpolis team to 12 wins last year. I just can't agree with the Suggs pick. He's a great player, don't ge me wrong, but it's so clear in my eyes that Ware is the best in the biz. But yeah, with Rex Ryan, I can see where you're going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Let's talk about left tackles for a moment. Who would you consider the elite left tackles in the business? I love Long, obviously, Joe Thomas is a terrific player, Jason Peters used to be up there; who do you like? Jordon Gross has an outstanding year last year; he's one of the unsung players in the league. And I take Peyton Manning every day. Better passer, smarter, and carried some TERRIBLE defensive teams deep into the post-season. He also carried a mediocre Indianpolis team to 12 wins last year. I just can't agree with the Suggs pick. He's a great player, don't ge me wrong, but it's so clear in my eyes that Ware is the best in the biz. But yeah, with Rex Ryan, I can see where you're going. Peyton has never gotten it done. The one time he did win, the defense showed up because Bob Sanders (AKA, the entire defense) played out of their minds the entire postseason. Peyton showed up for one half of football that postseason, one heck of a half, but also remember the talent around him all these years. Give Tom that talent and he may have 5 or 6 rings by now. As far as Left Tackles go I think I would have my Top 5 as: 1. Thomas 2. Long 3. McNeil 4. Gross 5. Diehl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 20, 2009 Author Share Posted June 20, 2009 who has more SB wins since 2005? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Aqua4ever04 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Peyton has never gotten it done. The one time he did win, the defense showed up because Bob Sanders (AKA, the entire defense) played out of their minds the entire postseason. Peyton showed up for one half of football that postseason, one heck of a half, but also remember the talent around him all these years. Give Tom that talent and he may have 5 or 6 rings by now. As far as Left Tackles go I think I would have my Top 5 as: 1. Thomas 2. Long 3. McNeil 4. Gross 5. Diehl Yeah, dude but Tom Brady was a game manager for his three championships. I'm going to use an example here and I don't want you to think I'm comparing the two at all, okay? You ready? If Chad Pennington won a championship, I'm smart enough to admit that it'd be as a manager and not the focal point of the offense or the team. That's what Brady was in '01, '03 and '04. The offenses weren't great, at all. But the defenses were stellar. And put them in the frigid snow of Foxboro and they were nearly unbeatable allowing 10 points a game very frequently. That's awfully high for McNeil for my tastes; but agree with the other 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqua4ever04 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 who has more SB wins since 2005? Who has more Super Bowl wins in his career? Career > Time frame. Teams win Super Bowls, not quarterbacks. By this measure, you're claiming Trent Dilfer and Mark Rypien are top 40 QB's of all time and saying that Dan Marino is equal to Jay Fiedler. Neither won a championship so they are tied on the all time list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Brady managed the game in 2001, in 2003 and 2004 though by then he was a true Quarterback, far from managing the game. If you want to talk about managing a game, talk about Peyton Manning in the 2006 postseason, including his Super Bowl. Especially if you look at the Super Bowl games themselves. 2003 Carolina: 32-48, 354yds, 3 TD, 1 INT 2004 Philadelphia: 23-33, 236yds, 2 TD Which is a far cry from: 2001 St.Louis: 16-27, 145yds, TD Heading out though Trav. Ttyl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqua4ever04 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Brady managed the game in 2001, in 2003 and 2004 though by then he was a true Quarterback, far from managing the game. If you want to talk about managing a game, talk about Peyton Manning in the 2006 postseason, including his Super Bowl. Brady only tossed 23 touchdowns and 3,600 yards in 2003 and his YPA was under 7. Those are Chad Pennington like numbers. Yes, that does make him one of the game's top passers, but it doesn't put him in the elite of Manning, Brees or Rivers. In the 2003 playoffs, he had just two touchdowns (yes he had 3 TDs in the Super Bowl, but the defense got him to the big game.) 2004 was better as his YPA jumped almost a full yard and he threw 5 more TDs, but he was a guy that never eclipsed 30 TDs until that unbelievable 2007 season. Again, 2004 he was pretty damn impressive, I'll give him that. 5 TDs and no picks in the post-season, damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqua4ever04 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Yeah but that's one game. It takes 16 games to get to the tournament then two or three more to get the big one. Take it easy, Joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Why replace any players on the Superbowl Championship team? You heard it here first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 If you're taking Fitzgerald (a #1), you are getting rid of Cotchery. Peyton Manning is a lock for 12 regular season wins a year. Good for him. Tom Brady is a lock for giving your team a much better chance at winning a Super Bowl. Which is more important? A regular season stat machine or a winner? But since you love stats, take a look at Brady's 2007 campaign. Don't worry, you'll see similar #'s this season. Brady anyday. I find it odd that in an imaginary game you are insisting that you pick a #1 or #2 receiver. There is no actual position of #1 WR. You play the two best guys. If you divided it by split end, flanker and/or slot I almost could buy it, but Boldin is a #1 except on the Cards so you'd have to prefer Fitzgerald. Almost any WR you'd pick will be the #1 on the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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