Top 5 Qb's

[CTM]

-Led us to 3 postseasons(only Jets QB to start in 3 different postseasons)

-led us to only our 2nd EVER AFC East Title 3 way tie at 9-7, in most years 9-7 earns you a seat at home

-led us to only our 7th ever home playoff game Speaks more ot our lousy history that Chad is very much a part of

-led us to only our 3rd EVER road winDitto

-ONLY Jets QB in our history to win playoff games in 2 different postseasonsDitto

-Conducted himself w/ nothing but class.A bald face lie, wolves in sheeps clothing aren't classy, just liars

in red

[ZachEY]

We didn't get embarrassed in any postseason he played for us.

2002 lost 30-10, it was a 10-10 game late in the 3rd and 17-10 in the 4th before oak pulled away.

2004 lost by a FG in OT to a 15-1 team on the road- a team that would win 2 of the next 4 SBs

2006 lost at NE, the game was w/in a TD w/ about 5 mins left before things fell apart.

Miami lost 38-3 to Den in 1998 and 62-7 in '99 to Jax- THAT is getting embarrassed.

Oakland proved he wasn't a viable QB, they shut us down completely.

2004, Chad Pennington netted us -4 points. If it's anyone else, you kill him. Because it's Chad, that was a strong performance.

2006, we were close, but never really in the game. Chad had multiple turnovers.

We beat up NE on the road in front of a Nat'l TV audience then beat the "great" Brett favre and the 12-3 Packers in 2002 to win the div.

The game didn't matter to the packers, if I recall. And I'm not the one arguing that QBs are solely responsible for wins, so 'the great brett favre' comment is just about your bitterness.

Chad signed his deal in 2004, we let Coles go in 2003, Fergsuon was offered a fair deal to return and we didn't want to overpay for Kareem who is an average RT.

You keep 'average RTs' when you have no option to back them up.

He gave up money in '06 to come back and compete for his job, he played w/ a torn rotator cuff in '04 and cmae back quickly to try to help us in '05.

Not true, he just converted it into incentives, of which his choice was do that, or get cut. And the incentives were based solely on playing time.

Brett was bad before his supposed injury and Brett's claim to fame is playing through pain. If we kept Chad and didn't make the foolish Favre trade we easily win the div last year.

Incorrect. Chad doesn't beat New England, Tennessee, and probably not Arizona. He may have beaten Oakland, SF, and maybe Seattle. The two losses to New England put us out. And, this is useless speculation anyway.

He was bad in the game, he deserves his share of the blame but the point is no QB would succeed w/ what Miami had around him and how they performed that day.

Quincy was 2 and 1, and a dumb halfback pass call away from 3-0. Bad example.

It was Chad or Quincy Carter in 2004, I'd take an injured Chad over Quincy.

[Aqua4ever04]

two conditions

1) i get to wear the mesh black top that Chad was wearing in his TransMiami photoshoot

2) that's all i'll be wearing

Hahahaha! That was hilarious! Cracked me up.

I'll wear my throwback Dan Marino jersey, and nothing else.

[Aqua4ever04]

How did this turn into a Chad vs. Big Ben debate? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. There is no conversation to be had. Big Ben is a top 5 Qb and Chad doesnt even break the top 15. This is crazy talk.

Aquahomer4ever, get over it, Chad is not that good. Seriously, he's not. Its great and all that you love him with all your heart, but he sucks. How can you have any confidence in him after that debacle you witnessed in the playoffs? We as Jets fans are used to it. If you are an NFL fan, you should be used to it. Wake up buddy, he is nothing more then a decent regular season QB and Big Ben is a 2 time Super Bowl Champion. Its really not close.

Well he was second in the MVP voting. I think you have to be kind of good to do that.

[Aqua4ever04]

- Got embarrassed in every post season he was in, never made it to a championship game.

- With like the 3rd tiebreaker that we needed another team to win in week 17 for us to even make the playoffs.

- This is just an indication of how bad the Jets have been. That's not relevent.

- See above.

- See above.

Bottom line, it's clear what's going on here. Your attitude is that Chad should be revered because he's better than the crap we've had. You realize that better than bad does not make you good? Don't begrudge those of us who don't have your losers mentality that mediocrity should be celebrated because we've sucked in the past.

- Jason Ferguson, Laverneous Coles, Kareem McKenzie.

- Get over yourself with the 'put his career on the line for us'. 32 QBs a week go out and put themselves in harms way. He's not the first player to get hurt, and he wont be the last. Where are the candlelight vigil's for Brady, did he not put himself in harms way and get hurt? This is professional sports, not a Horatio Algers Novel... If a player performs, they're celebrated, if they don't they're boo'd. Most of us don't care about your excuses.

- I'd take Brett over Chad for 2010. Care to explain why Chad gets 600 excuses for his injuries but Brett's arm injury is simply ignored?

You do realize that there are only a handful of elite quarterbacks in the league, right? Not every team gets to have Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. And while Chad does struggle in the post-season, how often has he got his team there?

Say what you want about him in the post-season, but there are a lot of teams that would love to have Chad Pennington's services right now.

Teams that would trade their current QB for Chad:

Bills

Jets (can't bank on the rookie yet)

Browns

Jaguars

Titans

Broncos

Raiders

Redskins

Packers

Lions (again, he's a rookie)

Panthers

Buccaneers

49ers

Rams

[Jetsfan80]

You do realize that there are only a handful of elite quarterbacks in the league, right? Not every team gets to have Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. And while Chad does struggle in the post-season, how often has he got his team there?

Say what you want about him in the post-season, but there are a lot of teams that would love to have Chad Pennington's services right now.

Teams that would trade their current QB for Chad:

Bills

Jets (can't bank on the rookie yet)

Browns

Jaguars

Titans

Broncos

Raiders

Redskins

Packers

Lions (again, he's a rookie)

Panthers

Buccaneers

49ers

Rams

Wow, you are ridiculous and delusional.

No, the Jets most certainly would NOT trade Sanchez for Pennington, sir. I don't care if he's a rookie that we "can't bank on". He's our future, something Pennington is NOT and never WILL BE. Pennington is a stop-gap.

For the same reason, the Lions would not trade Stafford for Pennington.

For the same reason, no chance in hell the Packers would trade Aaron Rodgers for Pennington.

The Browns would also prefer Brady Quinn. Mangini knows what he can get out of Pennington, and its not much.

As for the rest? Maybe you could make a case for some of those teams. But guess, what, ALL OF THEIR QB'S are just as mediocre as Chad. So that's maybe 10 teams (a minority) who wouldn't mind having him on their roster to compete for the starting job. That doesn't mean they'd mortgage a future QB to get him, or that they would count on him as their starter for more than a year, if he started at all!

[Klecko73isGod]

You do realize that there are only a handful of elite quarterbacks in the league, right? Not every team gets to have Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. And while Chad does struggle in the post-season, how often has he got his team there?

Say what you want about him in the post-season, but there are a lot of teams that would love to have Chad Pennington's services right now.

Teams that would trade their current QB for Chad:

Bills

Jets (can't bank on the rookie yet)

Browns

Jaguars

Titans

Broncos

Raiders

Redskins

Packers

Lions (again, he's a rookie)

Panthers

Buccaneers

49ers

Rams

Why would the Jets trade for the crappy QB they cut just last year? Stop being stupid.

[Aqua4ever04]

I have no idea why I wrote the Packers. I was going through divisions and must've just mistakenly put them on there; I think Rodgers is a top 5 QB so no I do not believe that. My apologies.

And had the Jets not cut Pennington last year, the Dolphins go 6-10 or 5-11 while the Jets go 11-5 and win the division.

[Ghost]

You do realize that there are only a handful of elite quarterbacks in the league, right? Not every team gets to have Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. And while Chad does struggle in the post-season, how often has he got his team there?

Say what you want about him in the post-season, but there are a lot of teams that would love to have Chad Pennington's services right now.

Teams that would trade their current QB for Chad:

Bills

Jets (can't bank on the rookie yet)

Browns

Jaguars

Titans

Broncos

Raiders

Redskins

Packers

Lions (again, he's a rookie)

Panthers

Buccaneers

49ers

Rams

He won't last in Buffalo, Denver, and Green Bay just due to the weather. Jets don't want nor need him. The Bucs have Leftwich and Josh Freeman. The only teams I can see interested in Chad is Oakland, St. Louis, and San Fran.

So please, hop off Pennington's johnson and get a grip of reality. Thank you!

[ZachEY]

You do realize that there are only a handful of elite quarterbacks in the league, right? Not every team gets to have Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. And while Chad does struggle in the post-season, how often has he got his team there?

Say what you want about him in the post-season, but there are a lot of teams that would love to have Chad Pennington's services right now.

Teams that would trade their current QB for Chad:

Bills

Jets (can't bank on the rookie yet)

Browns

Jaguars

Titans

Broncos

Raiders

Redskins

Packers

Lions (again, he's a rookie)

Panthers

Buccaneers

49ers

Rams

Just an awful, awful post.

Outside of the Broncos, all those teams had a chance to make a bid for him last year, and the Jets had a chance not to cut him. Yet, Chad had one suitor, the 1-15 Dolphins... Surely he'd have made some other visits if a few other teams came knocking.

And all that even ignores the fact that NO ONE trades for 30+ year old QBs who've never won a thing and have only played 2 full seasons.

Simply pathetic.

[ZachEY]

For the same reason, the Lions would not trade Stafford for Pennington.

For the same reason, no chance in hell the Packers would trade Aaron Rodgers for Pennington.

The Browns would also prefer Brady Quinn. Mangini knows what he can get out of Pennington, and its not much.

Exactly.

The Dolphins woudl make any of these trades in a heartbeat. If the other teams would do it. He's just embarrassing himself.

[Aqua4ever04]

Just an awful, awful post.

Outside of the Broncos, all those teams had a chance to make a bid for him last year, and the Jets had a chance not to cut him. Yet, Chad had one suitor, the 1-15 Dolphins... Surely he'd have made some other visits if a few other teams came knocking.

And all that even ignores the fact that NO ONE trades for 30+ year old QBs who've never won a thing and have only played 2 full seasons.

Simply pathetic.

No....Chad hand picked the Dolphins. And all he did was take that 1-15 team and make them a division champion. Not bad for a mediocre quarterback.

[Jetsfan80]

And had the Jets not cut Pennington last year, the Dolphins go 6-10 or 5-11 while the Jets go 11-5 and win the division.

Sure thing dude, keep believing that Pennington made a 5 game difference for you. Keep believing it had nothing to do with Parcells' brilliance in personnel, Ronnie Brown having a career year, or Miami's defense ranking 3rd in turnovers, 7th in sacks, and your easy schedule. It would be the first time in Pennington's career that he was responsible for something like that.

Your arguments are a joke.

[JohnnyHector]

No....Chad hand picked the Dolphins. And all he did was take that 1-15 team and make them a division champion. Not bad for a mediocre quarterback.

He did exactly what a mediocre QB is capable of... with a cream puff schedule, win games in which his defense lets up under 20 points.

You keep hanging your hat on that thoroughly impressive accomplishment, though.

[JohnnyHector]

Sure thing dude, keep believing that Pennington made a 5 game difference for you. Keep believing it had nothing to do with Parcells' brilliance in personnel, Ronnie Brown having a career year, or Miami's defense ranking 3rd in turnovers, 7th in sacks, and your easy schedule. It would be the first time in Pennington's career that he was responsible for something like that.

Your arguments are a joke.

C'mon now.... tt's only a team sport when it suits his argument.

[SenorGato]

1. Peyton Manning

2. Tom Brady

3. Drew Brees

4. Phillip Rivers

5. Big Ben

Phillip Rivers = shenz. I remember when people insisted he sucked back on JI. Lawlz...ah memories.

[Aqua4ever04]

Sure thing dude, keep believing that Pennington made a 5 game difference for you. Keep believing it had nothing to do with Parcells' brilliance in personnel, Ronnie Brown having a career year, or Miami's defense ranking 3rd in turnovers, 7th in sacks, and your easy schedule. It would be the first time in Pennington's career that he was responsible for something like that.

Your arguments are a joke.

Yeah I mean it's not like he had a career year or anything. Ask any Dolphins fan who was the difference for the Dolphins last year and they will tell you it was Chad Pennington.

[NFLs StepChild]

1. Peyton Manning

2. Tom Brady

3. Drew Brees

4. Phillip Rivers

5. Big Ben

Phillip Rivers = shenz. I remember when people insisted he sucked back on JI. Lawlz...ah memories.

What is shenz? And why are you trying to de-hijack this thread and make it about the original topic instead of a brilliant argument on the validity of one Chad Pennington?

[SenorGato]

What is shenz? And why are you trying to de-hijack this thread and make it about the original topic instead of a brilliant argument on the validity of one Chad Pennington?

Chad Pennington is a good man.

Not a great man.

Shenz is a dumb, internet way of seeing "the sh*t." Phillip Rivers is a BA at QB.

[Jetsfan80]

Yeah I mean it's not like he had a career year or anything. Ask any Dolphins fan who was the difference for the Dolphins last year and they will tell you it was Chad Pennington.

Of course any Dolphin fan would say that. It's exactly what every Jet fan said in 2002, when he had an even better "career year" than he did with you last year. Then, in 2003, reality set in, and proved that Chad is an average, injury prone QB.

[The Crusher]

Exactly.

The Dolphins woudl make any of these trades in a heartbeat. If the other teams would do it. He's just embarrassing himself.

Not sure why you ACM'ers can't accept that Chad is G-G-G-G-Great when he runs the decoy in the wildcat.

[The Crusher]

Of course any Dolphin fan would say that. It's exactly what every Jet fan said in 2002, when he had an even better "career year" than he did with you last year. Then, in 2003, reality set in, and proved that Chad is an average, injury prone QB.

The Raiders playoff game was the equivelent of getting kicked in the nuts with a pair of reality boots.

[SenorGato]

Of course any Dolphin fan would say that. It's exactly what every Jet fan said in 2002, when he had an even better "career year" than he did with you last year. Then, in 2003, reality set in, and proved that Chad is an average, injury prone QB.

Wtf?

The man got his shoulder torn apart twice, and became the first QB ever to return from such an injury.

The respect people don't show for this guy is unbelievable. We get it...he crushed your hopes and dreams because he never singlehandedly took the Jets to the Super Bowl...does that mean everything else he's accomplished should be ignored? Apparently yes, which is *****ing pathetic.

He's a good but limited QB. How a QB conversation amongst Jets fans ALWAYS has to degenerate to a "Chad sucks" "no he didn't" argument is beyond me.

Also, to the people who insisted that Phillip Rivers sucks back before I'm guessing you even saw him throw a pass...lawlz. SenorGato strikes again. SG

[Matt39]

And had the Jets not cut Pennington last year, the Dolphins go 6-10 or 5-11 while the Jets go 11-5 and win the division.

And get blown out by the Ravens and continue to spin their tires in the mud.

[JiF]

Wtf?

The man got his shoulder torn apart twice, and became the first QB ever to return from such an injury.

The respect people don't show for this guy is unbelievable. We get it...he crushed your hopes and dreams because he never singlehandedly took the Jets to the Super Bowl...does that mean everything else he's accomplished should be ignored? Apparently yes, which is *****ing pathetic.

He's a good but limited QB. How a QB conversation amongst Jets fans ALWAYS has to degenerate to a "Chad sucks" "no he didn't" argument is beyond me.

Also, to the people who insisted that Phillip Rivers sucks back before I'm guessing you even saw him throw a pass...lawlz. SenorGato strikes again. SG

Ah this just screams for my favorite song...

Chad bashing,,,is what I like to do,,,

I like Chad bashing with you!

However, I dont think it would have gone this route if the homer phin fan didnt start with his nonsense about how Chad is better then Big Ben.

[SenorGato]

Ah this just screams for my favorite song...

Chad bashing,,,is what I like to do,,,

I like Chad bashing with you!

However, I dont think it would have gone this route if the homer phin fan didnt start with his nonsense about how Chad is better then Big Ben.

Dolphin fans are not that bright though. I can't believe that got entertained.

[JiF]

Dolphin fans are not that bright though. I can't believe that got entertained.

Yes, this is true. The average IQ among dolphag fans is around 40. Later we will learn that they are all what some may call as mentally retarded.

I'm still not sure if he actually believes himself or if he just saying these things for an opportunity to virtually blow Chad Dolphagington on the interwebz.

[nyjunc]

Hmm.. collins lit them up, and drove them up and down the field only to watch a receiver or running back fumble.

And his running game died when Chris Johnson got hurt that day..

Finally, and for the eleventybillionth time, when the primary strategy to defend the passing game is 8 men in the box, it has a side effect of controlling the rushing game as well.

THe noodlearm is her own worst enemy in that regard

Lit them up leading his team to 10 points.

in red

we earned the div title in '02 w/ the tiebreakers, he made his first start after we were 1-4 and he led us to the div title by beating up NE on the road in week 16(NE wouldn't lose another home game until 2005) then thrashing Favre and the 12-3 pakcers who needed the win for homefield in the NFC.

We do have a lousy history which is why we should appreciate players like Chad more who were apart of the most successful run of Jets football in our history. I'm not saying build a ststue but have some appreciation for all he did for us.

Chad is, always has been and always will be all class. That I know for 100% fact.

Oakland proved he wasn't a viable QB, they shut us down completely.

2004, Chad Pennington netted us -4 points. If it's anyone else, you kill him. Because it's Chad, that was a strong performance.

2006, we were close, but never really in the game. Chad had multiple turnovers.

The game didn't matter to the packers, if I recall. And I'm not the one arguing that QBs are solely responsible for wins, so 'the great brett favre' comment is just about your bitterness.

You keep 'average RTs' when you have no option to back them up.

Not true, he just converted it into incentives, of which his choice was do that, or get cut. And the incentives were based solely on playing time.

Incorrect. Chad doesn't beat New England, Tennessee, and probably not Arizona. He may have beaten Oakland, SF, and maybe Seattle. The two losses to New England put us out. And, this is useless speculation anyway.

Quincy was 2 and 1, and a dumb halfback pass call away from 3-0. Bad example.

It was Chad or Quincy Carter in 2004, I'd take an injured Chad over Quincy.

Oakland didn't prove anything, it was his forst road playoff start.

The '04 game he played w/ a torn rotator cuff and while he didn't play well he didn't cost us the game- our K missing 2 makeable kicks did.

In '06 I never felt we were going to win that game BUT we were in it despite playing on the road against a team that would lose a close game in the AFC Title Game and it turned on a fluky screen pass that was an inch backward and became a fumble. 99 out of 100 times that play is incomplete.

The game did matter to GB, they needed that win for homefield advantage throughout the NFC playoffs.

You don't overpay a guy like Kareem, he wanted much more than he was really worth and we had done a good job replacing Thomas(a much better OL than Kareem) and and Ryan Young in the previous couple of years sot hey thought they had a replacement in Adrian Jones- they made a mistake w/ Jones.

He converted it to incentives which meant it wasn't guaranteed and for a guy who had just had 2 major surgeries on his throwing shoulder that was a huge risk.

W/ Chad we may not have beaten NE the 2nd time but we would have the first time, we beat Ari on D by forcing 6 TOs in the 2nd qtr- I could have been the QB and we win that game, Tennessee was dominated by our D- we'd have beat them w/ Chad and we certainly would have won at least 3 of the 4 against Oak, Sea, SF and Den.

We scored 10 pts against Cleveland to win 10-7, the week before Cle gave up 24 pts and the following week they gave up 54. We scored 13 at Arizona to win 13-3, they gave up 35 the previous week and 26 the following week.

[SenorGato]

Chad Pennington would have been the best QB in Jets history if he never had his shoulder torn apart twice.

This is as far as I'm taking this conversation, since it's an absolutely retarded one with no middle ground.

[CTM]

Sure thing dude, keep believing that Pennington made a 5 game difference for you. Keep believing it had nothing to do with Parcells' brilliance in personnel, Ronnie Brown having a career year, or Miami's defense ranking 3rd in turnovers, 7th in sacks, and your easy schedule. It would be the first time in Pennington's career that he was responsible for something like that.

Your arguments are a joke.

Man how I wished Cam Cameron has stayed 1 more year with no BP. IF Chad was there in 2007, the dolphins would've went 1-15, just like the Jets were headed for under his leadership

It's amazing to me that despite the fact that BP has done this again, and again and again, people actually credit pennington.

[CTM]

Yeah I mean it's not like he had a career year or anything. Ask any Dolphins fan who was the difference for the Dolphins last year and they will tell you it was Chad Pennington.

obv Dolphins fans are all stoopid..

You guys literally saw this same thing play out over the last 5 years with your most hated rivals. Many of you were on here and other Jets forums ragging on Chad for some the same reasons we are now, and yet here you are sounding like a Jet fan in 2002. It's really kind of shocking.

[CTM]

Wtf?

The man got his shoulder torn apart twice, and became the first QB ever to return from such an injury.

What does that have to do with his performance on the field?

The respect people don't show for this guy is unbelievable. We get it...he crushed your hopes and dreams because he never singlehandedly took the Jets to the Super Bowl...does that mean everything else he's accomplished should be ignored? Apparently yes, which is *****ing pathetic.

imo, what's pathetic is Chad's chicken**** approach to the game of football. I've never had respect for his game, and never will. The Jets are identified by Namath's wild gun slinging ways, how these same fans came to embrace a guy who doesn't play to win, but plays to not lost is mindboggling to me. All Chad does, like Marty Schottenheimer, is continue to prove that most of the league stinks. That if you play your cards close to the vest and avoid making mistakes, the majority of the time the other team will screw up and hand you the game.

He's a poker player that plays ultra tight, doesn't play a hand till he has the nuts, and takes small pots when he does win cause people know he's holding. At the end of the day, the strategy protects him from big lossesm but limits his upside as well.

And as we've seen almost everytime it's come to it, when the stakes are raised and Chad's forced to play to win, he fails miserably. Want to know the difference between Chad's ****ty 2007 and his vaunted 2008? It had nothing to do with his play, which was very simliar, it was that in 2007 he often found himself in the position where he had the throw the ball late in the game and the defense knew it, often leading to an INT. Cinn, Giants, Buff and Philly to be specific

[CTM]

Lit them up leading his team to 10 points.

COmparitively. One guy had 300 yards, 1 INT, and multiple plays down the field. The other had 5 INT's and was 1 for 11 on anything that webt greater then 10 yards

we earned the div title in '02 w/ the tiebreakers, he made his first start after we were 1-4 and he led us to the div title by beating up NE on the road in week 16(NE wouldn't lose another home game until 2005) then thrashing Favre and the 12-3 pakcers who needed the win for homefield in the NFC.

It's a shame that recent history is so easily verified and gets in the way of the legend building process.

Chad took the field 1 series in to game 4 when we were 1-2. He went 8-5 that season.

ANd yes, he was great in NE, GB and Indy. No arguement from me. In fact, I've regularly said that those 3 games are what made his legend and got him that huge contract, but 7 years later, don't those games look more like the exception then the rule?

[CTM]

Chad Pennington would have been the best QB in Jets history if he never had his shoulder torn apart twice.

that's hilarity dood..

been such a long time since a Chad debate

[nyjunc]

COmparitively. One guy had 300 yards, 1 INT, and multiple plays down the field. The other had 5 INT's and was 1 for 11 on anything that webt greater then 10 yards

It's a shame that recent history is so easily verified and gets in the way of the legend building process.

Chad took the field 1 series in to game 4 when we were 1-2. He went 8-5 that season.

ANd yes, he was great in NE, GB and Indy. No arguement from me. In fact, I've regularly said that those 3 games are what made his legend and got him that huge contract, but 7 years later, don't those games look more like the exception then the rule?

One led his team to 10 pts, the other to 9. Not much difference.

I know he played most of the Jax game but he gets credit for the Buf loss in '04 when he got hurt and didn;'t finish so why should he get credit for the '02 loss at Jax? Either way he led us back to a division title out of a 1-4 hole in a division w/ a dynasty team- the ONLY year the Pats didn't win the div when Tom Brady was their starter.

Isn't it amazing that a QB that can't play can lead a 1-15 team to 11 wins and a div title while we got the suppsoed better QB and had better talent around the QB and we went 9-7?