Favorite_Toon Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Jets' Washington seeks elite-back contract Leon Washington appears willing to stage a training-camp holdout if the Jets don't offer him a "fair market deal," as the multi-threat running back puts it. The way we hear it, much of the problem is that Washington wants to be paid as one of the league's elite backs, whereas the Jets believe a backup doesn't merit that type of money, regardless of how dangerous he is with the ball. -- Pro Football Weekly With all due respect...hes not an elite running back on this or any other team... and to pay him as one would be nuts... he can walk if he likes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Jets' Washington seeks elite-back contract Leon Washington appears willing to stage a training-camp holdout if the Jets don't offer him a "fair market deal," as the multi-threat running back puts it. The way we hear it, much of the problem is that Washington wants to be paid as one of the league's elite backs, whereas the Jets believe a backup doesn't merit that type of money, regardless of how dangerous he is with the ball. -- Pro Football Weekly With all due respect...hes not an elite running back on this or any other team... and to pay him as one would be nuts... he can walk if he likes... No. No he can't walk. He can hold out and get fined, but he can't walk. He can also get tendered next year. He's ****ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 There is no way that Leon truly believes he is in the elite status. He is too damn humble to really believe that, someone is feeding him that b.s. Leon is one of my favorite players on the team, love the guy to death and want him to retire on the Jets, but there is no way you pay a guy that splits carries and probably will for the rest of his career top notch $$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleed4TheGreen Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Is Leon an elite back? No. Is he an elite talent? Hell yeah. Leon is one of the most explosive players in football once he hits the open field. Leon wants 6 million per year (Thats a negotiation price, he knows he won't get that type of money). The Jets have offered 2 million per year (Thats also a negotiation price, the Jets know Leon won't accept 2 million). So it's about time Leon and the Jets meet half way and accept a 5 year deal worth 20 million dollars. (4 million per year). Great deal for both sides. Leon has been our offensive MVP since the end of 2006 and he really deserves to get paid. He's still getting paid like a 4th round rookie and thats kind of not right. Leon wants 6? The Jets want 2? Meet half way and go with 4 million per year for a great kick returner along with a talented X-Factor as our 2nd part of our future 1-2 punch (Greene/Leon). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleed4TheGreen Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 There is no way that Leon truly believes he is in the elite status. He is too damn humble to really believe that, someone is feeding him that b.s. Leon isn't all that humble...He's no Curtis Martin, put it that way. When have you seen Curtis Martin give the middle finger when taking a Jets photo shoot for a football card? Ever since Leon Washington won the ACC player of the year award, he's known that his talents are elite. Is he an elite "Running back"? No, but he does have elite talent and his kick returns along with his 4.9 career average yards per carry only goes to show that after 300 rushing attempts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 He might not be elite but he's pretty ****ing good. I'll be pissed if can't get Leon sorted out. The guy is ridiculous with the ball in his hands, by far our most dangerous offensive player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 We don't have to do anything at all and still have his services retained for 3 years at a bargain. He has no leverage in negotiations what so ever. By the time 3 years passes he will be pushing 30 and on the decline. I say give him nothing and let him go once his time is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Leon isn't all that humble...He's no Curtis Martin, put it that way. When have you seen Curtis Martin give the middle finger when taking a Jets photo shoot for a football card? Ever since Leon Washington won the ACC player of the year award, he's known that his talents are elite. When have you ever seen Leon give the middle finger on a football card? That's right, you haven't. It was a gang sign. Accidental, according to him. I figured that since you're from the mean streets of St. Petersburg, you would know this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleed4TheGreen Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 When have you ever seen Leon give the middle finger on a football card? That's right, you haven't. It was a gang sign. Accidental, according to him. I figured that since you're from the mean streets of St. Petersburg, you would know this. Well then my fault, I always thought he was giving the middle finger. Nothing to be proud of, but Tampa/Miami/St.Pete are some of the most dangerious citys in the country...See for yourself http://www.morganquitno.com/cit04pop.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Well then my fault, I always thought he was giving the middle finger. Nothing to be proud of, but Tampa/Miami/St.Pete are some of the most dangerious citys in the country...See for yourself http://www.morganquitno.com/cit04pop.htm I see Tampa and Miami on those lists. Nothing from Gangsta filled St. Pete. BTW, you wanna see how a real MC does it. Check out Cro-Bar in Ybor on Wednesday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleed4TheGreen Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 I see Tampa and Miami on those lists. Nothing from Gangsta filled St. Pete. BTW, you wanna see how a real MC does it. Check out Cro-Bar in Ybor on Wednesday night. You didn't see St.Pete? It's there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 I am about ready to say GFY to Leon Washington. $6 million for a KR/Back-up RB? He's out of his freakin' mind. Not this is any breaking news, we've known for months he wants $6+ million, but seeing as he has not budged at all yet, it is ridiculous. Have him play out this season, he's a RFA after the season, tender him at a 1st & 3rd round tender and let some moronic team give him a 5 year, $30 million deal with $15+ guarenteed and we'll GLADLY take a 1st and a 3rd for a KR/Back-up RB. As long as Mike Westhoff is coaching the Special Teams, Erik Ainge can run back 2 kicks a year for us. We can find someone who can take 5 carries a game to give Shonn Greene a rest in 2010 and beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleed4TheGreen Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 We can find someone who can take 5 carries a game to give Shonn Greene a rest in 2010 and beyond. I understand that your upset about this whole situation, we all are, but lets not put down Leon Washington because Mangini and company never gave him the ball and lets not act like Leon Washington cant put up solid numbers with 20+ carrys because he can. I agree that we can replace Leon as a kick returner and thats only because we have a solid special teams, I would like to see David Clowney back there-See what he could do with that 4.3 speed. Can Leon Washington handle 20 carrys each and every game? Who knows... Prolly not. But lets not attack Leon with words when Mangini was the head coach and Mangini was the one who should have gave Leon more rushing attempts. Blame Mangini, not Leon. The man has an average yards per carry of 4.9 during his 3 year carrer and thats never something thats easy to replace. In 2006, Leon rushed the rock 23 times against the Jaguars for 101 yards, 0 TD's with an average of 4.4 yards per carry. In 2006, Leon rushed the rock 20 times against the Lions for 129 yards, 2 TD's with an average of 6.5 yards per carry. Those were the only two times Leon had 20+ carrys as a rookie back in 2006 and he did a pretty solid job of carrying the work load as far as production goes. Leon wasnt 6 million per year? Jets offered 2 million per year? Lets meet both ways and sign Leon for 5 years, 20 million which is an average of 4 million per year. Half Way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Wow, he tore up the Lions in 1 game. The Lions. Awesome. How the hell can anyone honestly believe that Leon Washington and his small frame can handle the rock 20+ times a game? He had 150 carries in 2006, whooptie do. That is NOTHING. Just because he handled the ball 20+ times in two games and faired well doesn't mean that he can do it over an entire season. Not with his frame and not with the way he plays. No chance. The guy is not Barry Sanders. He is a scatback and a return man, nothing more. He is nothing that cannot be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 I understand that your upset about this whole situation, we all are, but lets not put down Leon Washington because Mangini and company never gave him the ball and lets not act like Leon Washington cant put up solid numbers with 20+ carrys because he can. I agree that we can replace Leon as a kick returner and thats only because we have a solid special teams, I would like to see David Clowney back there-See what he could do with that 4.3 speed. Can Leon Washington handle 20 carrys each and every game? Who knows... Prolly not. But lets not attack Leon with words when Mangini was the head coach and Mangini was the one who should have gave Leon more rushing attempts. Blame Mangini, not Leon. The man has an average yards per carry of 4.9 during his 3 year carrer and thats never something thats easy to replace. In 2006, Leon rushed the rock 23 times against the Jaguars for 101 yards, 0 TD's with an average of 4.4 yards per carry. In 2006, Leon rushed the rock 20 times against the Lions for 129 yards, 2 TD's with an average of 6.5 yards per carry. Those were the only two times Leon had 20+ carrys as a rookie back in 2006 and he did a pretty solid job of carrying the work load as far as production goes. Leon wasnt 6 million per year? Jets offered 2 million per year? Lets meet both ways and sign Leon for 5 years, 20 million which is an average of 4 million per year. Half Way. Why? We have him locked up at a bargain for 2 years. Why not have him PROVE he's worth starting RB money before actually giving it to him? You say he can carry the ball 20+ times a game, but you think every Jet is a friggin hall of famer. There is absolutely no reason to meet him halfway at all. He has no leverage at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Why? We have him locked up at a bargain for 2 years. Why not have him PROVE he's worth starting RB money before actually giving it to him? You say he can carry the ball 20+ times a game, but you think every Jet is a friggin hall of famer. There is absolutely no reason to meet him halfway at all. He has no leverage at all. Exactly. If they want to keep him, let him piss and moan all he wants. No matter what he is a New York Jet in 2009 and unless some team wants to give us a 1st and a 3rd, he is a New York Jet in 2010. He can do nothing but get fined for missing practices. Otherwise, shut up and play. If you can show the coaching staff you should get the ball 250-350 times a season and prove you handle the rock, THEN you can get your $6 million a year. Until then, $2-3 million is about right for what he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Just pay him. Screw the cap. Screw the future. Lets resign anyone that seems to have a pulse out there. They're all the greatest ever, so might as well pay them that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Just pay him. Screw the cap. Screw the future. Lets resign anyone that seems to have a pulse out there. They're all the greatest ever, so might as well pay them that way. We should probably look into resigning Sanchez. I mean, he only has 5 years left. Maybe a 10 year extension is in order. He did have that SWEET Minicamp touchdown pass to Wallace Wright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleed4TheGreen Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Leon Washington has been the Jets offensive MVP since the end of 2006 and he's still getting paid as a 4th rounder... Will I be upset if the Jets don't give into Leon Washington? No. Do I understand where Leon Washington is coming from? Hell yeah. The Patriots would love Leon Washington as their 3rd down back to replace Faulk once Leon leaves the Jets, thats for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 The Patriots would love Leon Washington as their 3rd down back to replace Faulk once Leon leaves the Jets, thats for sure. The Patriots wouldn't pay Leon Washington $6 million a year. Not a chance in hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Exactly. If they want to keep him, let him piss and moan all he wants. No matter what he is a New York Jet in 2009 and unless some team wants to give us a 1st and a 3rd, he is a New York Jet in 2010. He can do nothing but get fined for missing practices. Otherwise, shut up and play. If you can show the coaching staff you should get the ball 250-350 times a season and prove you handle the rock, THEN you can get your $6 million a year. Until then, $2-3 million is about right for what he is. Exactly. He is a playmaker when he gets the ball on offense, I will give him that. But being a full time RB is not all about being flash. See Reggie Bush for an example. A full time RB needs to take the pounding of a 2 yard and a cloud of dust run 15-20 times a game. LB's, DT's, DE'sw, guys that have 100lbs of size and strength on you. Being able to do that AND have the flash and spped are what make a RB worth 6 million. If he proves that, then pay him. As for his kick returning, please. Justin Miller was electric before Leon, Chad Morton before Justin, it goes on and on. Mike Westhoff is the reason why we have so many successfu KO returns. Plug any guy with speed back there and we will have success. Leon's monetary value as a KR is negligable. His value right now is as a change of pace back who has the ability to break one. That isn't worth 6 million a year. It isn't worth 4 milion a year. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 We should probably look into resigning Sanchez. I mean, he only has 5 years left. Maybe a 10 year extension is in order. He did have that SWEET Minicamp touchdown pass to Wallace Wright. guy had good stats for the 16 games he started in college, AND he made a few passes in mini camp... we better resign him quick. he's a great player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Does anyone know if we are in contract negotiations to extend Shonn Greene past his 4 year rookie deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotch#89 Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Washington can't be considered an elite back until he becomes a full-time player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleed4TheGreen Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Washington can't be considered an elite back until he becomes a full-time player. I agree, he may not be an elite back...But wouldn't you agree that he's an elite talent? The man is one of the most explsosive men in all of football once in the open field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 let me get this straight, his negotiating strategy is to shoot high and apply leverage ? shocking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 http://www.jetsshop.com/jets/product.php?productid=18727&cat=377&page=1 And just in time for this Training Camp holdout, the Jets have released a new item on New York Jets.com: A Replithentic (sewn on #'s, but not authentic) Leon Washington jersey for $110! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetkid94 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 I bet if he was on a team with a lot of offensive talent he wouldnt be asking for 6 million. he knows hes worth 3-4 million but he also knows even as a 2nd string RB that he is still the most dangerous weapon on the team. he has that leverage. but overall we have the leverage of fines and franchise tags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Don't we pay the Dancing Bear $5 million a year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Give him the 4 or 5 mil per for 3 yrs. Give him more carries, routes. He is NOT too small. They gave Favre like 13 mil. WTF, Calvin Pace gets 12 mil. Leon can actually help the Jets win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Give him the 4 or 5 mil per for 3 yrs. Give him more carries, routes. He is NOT too small. They gave Favre like 13 mil. WTF, Calvin Pace gets 12 mil. Leon can actually help the Jets win games. Calvin Pace gets $7M/yr (average). There was also a bidding war for his services as he was a UFA. There is not now, and will not be later, a bidding war for Leon Washington. We control him for the next 3 seasons. No one is giving up a 1st & a 3rd (plus a $5-6M per year contract) for him next season or the season after that. He may not be able to stand up to a lot more carries. It is a legitimate concern. He got injured in 3 of 3 years in college when getting appreciably more carries than now (though never averaging >15 carries per game), and that was mostly against college guys who are too slow & too small to ever get drafted. I'd be fine with about $4M/year. So would just about every fan, even those who monitor the cap closely. After this year the high tender will be about $2.5M/year anyway, so a "raise" to $4M is only about $1.5M/yr in years 2-3. He can have a balloon year in year 4 if it makes him happy (a la Jones next year) to make the contract "average" out to $5M/year. i.e. 4 years, $20M with $8M signing bonus 2009 $1M salary ($3M cap number) = $9M to Leon in year 1 2010 $2M salary ($4M cap number) 2011 $3M salary ($5M cap number) 2012 $6M salary ($8M cap number) = $2M dead cap space if he's cut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Give him the 4 or 5 mil per for 3 yrs. Give him more carries, routes. He is NOT too small. They gave Favre like 13 mil. WTF, Calvin Pace gets 12 mil. Leon can actually help the Jets win games. I'm strongly in favor of paying and playing him. This is TJ's last year. Greene and Leon as a 1-2 punch has the potential to be a big time backfield. I'm sick of the "too small" crap, too. If/when he gets himself free of the Jets, he'll be a feature back in his new location. He'll be another Terance Mathis. No reason he can't handle 15 carries a game. None. Under Tannenbaum, the Jets have made a habit of winning bidding wars for UFA's while letting their own players go. The team has taken notice, and is watching the Washington negotiations closely. Leon has some leverage. The Jets will go into the season with an inexperienced QB who could use a quality ball-carrier/pass-catcher out of the backfield. With the loss of Coles and Baker, there aren't a lot of offensive options left. And like I said, TJ is gone as soon as this season's over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 I'm strongly in favor of paying and playing him. This is TJ's last year. Greene and Leon as a 1-2 punch has the potential to be a big time backfield. I'm sick of the "too small" crap, too. If/when he gets himself free of the Jets, he'll be a feature back in his new location. He'll be another Terance Mathis. No reason he can't handle 15 carries a game. None. Under Tannenbaum, the Jets have made a habit of winning bidding wars for UFA's while letting their own players go. The team has taken notice, and is watching the Washington negotiations closely. Leon has some leverage. The Jets will go into the season with an inexperienced QB who could use a quality ball-carrier/pass-catcher out of the backfield. With the loss of Coles and Baker, there aren't a lot of offensive options left. And like I said, TJ is gone as soon as this season's over. Sure there's a reason, as I outlined above you. Whenever he got 10-20 carries per game, many of his carries were either taken away when his numbers got much worse (2006), or he got injured outright (at FSU even when he was only splitting carries with Booker). That doesn't mean he can't. But there is more than "no reason" to think he might not be able to. And this is from someone who wants to see him on the field more & Jones less. Also he won't get himself in a football game "free" of the Jets until he's 30 years old. No one is going to be able to get him prior to then. He is trapped here through the 2011 season. Sucks for Leon leverage-wise, but it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Remember the last time Jets fans thought we should give a back-up Running Back a lot of money? (LaMont Jordan) Yeah.. I'm sure glad we DIDN'T do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Walk? Hell no. I will franchise that little ****er until he resigns. PERIOD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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