How good can our Defense be with Rex Ryan running the show this year?

[Bleed4TheGreen]

Since it's the offseason-Lets talk some Defense. And lets not talk about "Potential injurys" because stuff like that could be said for every player of every team. Lets talk about what we have, as of right now.

I would like to hear the thoughts of Jet fans on this site, alot more than my own thoughts it's just...It's hard for me to talk about this Defense without breaking it down. This was the reason for the long post just because I really wanna talk some Jets Defense.

I'll give my thoughts on why I feel we can be a top 10 type of Defense. Yeah, I know we lack the solid depth on the D-Line, but I think thats the case for just about most teams because everyone has backups who havn't became talented players yet.

I feel our secondary can be really good this year with the additions of Lito Sheppard along with Jim Leonhard.

When healthy, Lito Sheppard has always been known as one of the best cover corners around and he's still only 28 years of age. Jim Leonhard is much better playing the pass than Abram Elam because Elam was simply lost and confused out in pass coverage.

In my eyes, Kerry Rhodes is a top 5 talent at the Safety position and he's only 26 years of age. Reed, Polamalu, Wilson, Sanders and Rhodes is next in line.

As we all know...Revis is a top 5 talent @ the CB position. I also feel Dwight Lowery can be "that much better" here in 09 because of the playing time and experience that he gained as a rookie last year as our Nickel back.

All in all...This secondary may not be a top 10 secondary but with talents such as Revis, Sheppard, Lowery, Leonhard and Rhodes...I cant see us being ranked 29th against the pass this year...I can see us around 12-15th.

I really love our LB's here in 2009 and once we play in Miami and get Pace back...It could be exciting. David Harris was banged up last year because of the Hammy problem but he's 100% here in 2009 and we all know what type of rookie season he had back in 07. As far as Bart Scott goes? I love the nature that this man plays the game with, he's looks to attack. Bart Scott is known as one of the best 3-4 MLB's around. I feel Bart Scott-David Harris can be one of the best 1-2 punches at the MLB position here in 09.

I also feel that Rex Ryan will send the pressure, blitz, heat, rush from all different types of angles this year and we DO have some pass rushers who can attack the QB from the outside. Over the past two years, since Pace has been a starter, he's put up 178 tackles, 13 1/2 sacks to go along with 6 forced fumbles.

Bryan Thomas may have had an off year in 2007, but in 2006 he put up 77 tackles, 8 1/2 sacks with 1 forced fumble. Last year, he put up 57 tackles, 5 1/2 sacks with 3 forced fumbles. Thats 13 1/2 sacks in 2 years and it's better than nothing. In 07 he only had 2 1/2 sacks.

All in all...With Rex Ryan sending the heat, I feel that Pace, Thomas/Gholston can be more than solid.

As far as the D-Line goes...Shaun Ellis is one of the better 3-4 Defensive ends around, I just feel he's underrated by Jet fans because he doesn't pu up 8+ sacks per year anymore but thats because 3-4 DE's never put up those types of sack numbers. But as far as Kris Jenkins goes? Wow, we are lucky to have this man.

Without an elite 3-4 NT...You have no 3-4 Defense-Just ask Robertson and the Jets. The Pats have Wilfrok, the Steelers have Hampton, the Chargers have Williams and the Ravens had Ngata last year and the Jets have Kris Jenkins...We have a top 5 DT/3-4 NT and thats what I'm pumped up about-This man is a beast. Yeah, he gets banged up but he's also started each and every game 6 out of 8 years of being in the league.

I feel that Rhodes and Leonhard can form a solid duo at the Safety position.

I feel that Pace, Thomas/Gholston can make for a really tough rush from the outside (Once we get pace back)

I feel that Revis and Sheppard can make for one of the best 1-2 Punches @ the CB position here in 2009 (As long as Sheppard is healthy). I also hope we can see some progression from Dwight Lowery during his 2nd year in the league.

I feel that David Harris and Bart Scott can form one of the best 1-2 Punches in the leauge at the MLB position. One of the best that Jet fans have ever seen from this Jets team since switching to a 3-4 Defense.

I also feel that Scott-Harris-Jenkins can make for one of the best "Triple Combos" against the run this year...These guys can be TOUGH against the run and thats going to be exciting.

Last year the Jets ranked 3rd in the AFC with sacks behind both the Steelers and Titans. With Rex Ryan running the show...We may not have more sacks this year, but I feel we should be able to apply alot more pressure and thats only because Rex Ryan has one of the better 3-4 Defensive minds in the game today.

Last year the Jets were ranked 6th against the run, only allowing 3.7 yards per carry but I also keep in mind that David Harris was hurt, Kris Jenkins was banged up and we never had Bart Scott; One of the best LB's stuffing the run. I could see teams struggling to pick up more than 3.4 yards per carry this year (IF we stay healthy).

Proven talent- Revis, Rhodes, Harris, Scott, Pace, Jenkins, Ellis, Sheppard (8 of 11 starters)

Potential talent-Leonhard, Gholston and Lowery.

Player who I really know nothing about-Douglas. But I do know that Douglas ranks top 5 of all NFL Defensive players over the year as far as making tackles for L's behind the L.O.S.

Just say we stay healthy...What type of Defense can we have under Rex Ryan here in 2009?

[Klecko73isGod]

OUR DEFENSE CAN BE ****ING AWESOME MAN!!! BEST DEFENSE EVER!!!! :headbang:

[Vudu]

According to Hollywood Rhodes, we'll have the Best Dee in the league. Time shall tell.

[Vicious89x]

OUR DEFENSE CAN BE ****ING AWESOME MAN!!! BEST DEFENSE EVER!!!! :headbang:

-real talk-

[124]

I'd be surprised if we let up 10 points all season.

[Lil Bit Special]

Our defense will be the greatest of all time.

All of our veterans will have career years and play like they are 22.

Our young guys will finally figure it all out and become superstars.

Our entire D will be the starters for the Pro Bowl.

Our D will set the record for least amount of points allowed. Our offense will allow more points than our defense.

Sadly, our offense stinks. It stinks so bad the offense will allow more points than it scores and we will still end up 8-8.

[Vicious89x]

Our defense will be the greatest of all time.

All of our veterans will have career years and play like they are 22.

Our young guys will finally figure it all out and become superstars.

Our entire D will be the starters for the Pro Bowl.

Our D will set the record for least amount of points allowed. Our offense will allow more points than our defense.

Sadly, our offense stinks. It stinks so bad the offense will allow more points than it scores and we will still end up 8-8.

Based on our 2007 performances with our O-line getting better and having Cotchery emerge as a top flight #1 receiver will make us 12-4. BANK ON IT.

[Matt39]

Jenkins needs to stay healthy. Harris wass never 100% last year, so that should help.

Last year the defense was pretty pitiful. PAss ruch sucked and couldnt stop anyone who passed on us, especially on 3rd downs.

Hopefully Rex brings an aggressive mentality. The passive drop 8 into coverage I've had enough of.

[SenorGato]

Quite possibly the best ever.

Do you turn these in to teachers for grades or something? Is it homework?

[Lil Bit Special]

Based on our 2007 performances with our O-line getting better and having Cotchery emerge as a top flight #1 receiver will make us 12-4. BANK ON IT.

If Cotchery becomes a true #1 WR there is no stopping us! He will be the greatest #1 WR in the history of the game. And everyone on our offense will have career years and nobody will struggle or get injured or suspended. All the stars will align for the Jets and we will have the greatest season ever!

[Klecko73isGod]

Jenkins needs to stay healthy. Harris wass never 100% last year, so that should help.

Last year the defense was pretty pitiful. PAss ruch sucked and couldnt stop anyone who passed on us, especially on 3rd downs.

Hopefully Rex brings an aggressive mentality. The passive drop 8 into coverage I've had enough of.

Why are you responding to this thread in a serious manner?

B4TG is the PR37/PFSIKH of Jets fans.

[Lil Bit Special]

Quite possibly the best ever.

Do you turn these in to teachers for grades or something? Is it homework?

Max pays him per word.

[Vicious89x]

If Cotchery becomes a true #1 WR there is no stopping us! He will be the greatest #1 WR in the history of the game. And everyone on our offense will have career years and nobody will struggle or get injured or suspended. All the stars will align for the Jets and we will have the greatest season ever!

He IS a #1 receiver. Just look at his #'s with no talent around him. The man must be respected. He will blossom this year and you all just need to watch for this man. I went back and watched all the games from 2007 and he was incredible at adjusting to the ball and going up in the air and grabbing it. You dont' need to 4.3 40 yard to be a #1 receiver you know.

[SenorGato]

Max pays him per word.

And Max hasn't filed for bankruptcy yet?

JN = cash cow?

[Irish Jet]

I'd be surprised if we let up 10 points all season.

I think we might allow a FG in Foxboro but the 5 INT's and 3 defensive TD's should make up for that. No one else will even gain a yard against us. By week 13 teams will just kneel 3 times and punt.

[Lil Bit Special]

And Max hasn't filed for bankruptcy yet?

JN = cash cow?

Google adsense revenue increases with each B4TG post. So Max still makes out in the end and he stays a cow.

[Lil Bit Special]

He IS a #1 receiver. Just look at his #'s with no talent around him. The man must be respected. He will blossom this year and you all just need to watch for this man. I went back and watched all the games from 2007 and he was incredible at adjusting to the ball and going up in the air and grabbing it. You dont' need to 4.3 40 yard to be a #1 receiver you know.

I must really not know anything about football if I didnt realize he was already a top tier #1 WR. I guess attending 8 games a year and watching the rest on tv i just missed how great he really is.

I guess now my concerns must shift to FG's and special teams.

[Bleed4TheGreen]

I guess it's impossbile for the Jets secondary to compete this year because lets face it...We were ranked 29th against the past last year with no hope here in 09.

Lowery was a rookie last year. I guess I'm a bad sports fan for feeling that he could be "that much better" because of his playing time and experience that he gained as a rookie last year along with the time he's getting during the offseason this year.

I guess it's impossible for a CB in Sheppard who's only 28 years of age to be considered an upgrade of a 34 year old JAG of a CB in Ty Law of last year. Because lets be honest here...Ty Law had a monster year last year with his 19 tackles and 0 INT's as our #2 starting CB for 7 games.

I guess it's impossible for the Jets to have a tough Run D under Rex Ryan this year, after we ranked 6th in the league against the run last year, only allowing 3.7 yards per carry without Bart Scott who's considered one of the best run stuffing MLB's in the league. I guess the 5 games that Davis Harris missed last year, our best MLB actually helped this team against the run last year, instead of hurting it? I also guess that Bart Scott can never be an upgrade over Eric "slow as molasses" Barton. And I guess Rex Ryan had no idea of what he was talking about, when he considered Bart Scott one of the best pass coverage MLB's in the game.

Everyone always knocks Kerry Rhodes for not getting sacks last year, but you know what? Abram Elam (A player thats incompetent) against the pass would have left our entire secondary exposed to the big play in the passing game if Sutton would have sent Rhodes on the blitz because lets face it...Elam was horrid out in pass coverage.

With Jim Leonhard, an upgrade against the pass as our safety opposite of Rhodes...Rex Ryan and company can now send Rhodes on the blitz while putting pressure on the QB and thats because we now have a Safety opposite of Rhodes who can actually stand his ground against the pass.

I guess I just get "made fun of" for talking about the Jets, on a football message board, during the offseason.

[Lil Bit Special]

I guess I just get "made fun of" for talking about the Jets, on a football message board, during the offseason.

yes you do. because your positivity isnt jet-like.

BTW, when will you post a thread on how great our special teams will be this year? Im looking forward to reading that on the can. I will need to take a sh!t this afternoon, so if you can have it done by 2pm I'd appreciate it.

Thanks!

[Vicious89x]

I must really not know anything about football if I didnt realize he was already a top tier #1 WR. I guess attending 8 games a year and watching the rest on tv i just missed how great he really is.

I guess now my concerns must shift to FG's and special teams.

Clearly- you know nothing about the game. You probably get all your information off ESPN. Cotchery will blossom you will see.

Or you could watch us be very average

[Bleed4TheGreen]

yes you do. because your positivity isnt jet-like.

BTW, when will you post a thread on how great our special teams will be this year? Im looking forward to reading that on the can. I will need to take a sh!t this afternoon, so if you can have it done by 2pm I'd appreciate it.

Thanks!

Why would I make a thread about our special teams with a positive view? Yeah, we have a great kick returner in Leon Washington and Jim Leonhard is an upgrade as our punt returner but who's our Punter?

But on a side note...As long as we have Mike Westhoff as our special teams coach, we should be in good shape.

[LockeJET]

[PS17]

Not with Reggie Hodges punting!!!!

[war ensemble]

Question of the week: does anyone even read this guy's posts?

[Matt39]

Why are you responding to this thread in a serious manner?

B4TG is the PR37/PFSIKH of Jets fans.

Ok...at least he's trying to make football posts.

Considering this place has been pretty brutal lately with the endless amounts of non funny one line posts attempting to be witty.

[Irish Jet]

Has anyone ever actually read one of DWC's posts? I just sorta' look at them and move on. They're ****ing long.

[Irish Jet]

Question of the week: does anyone even read this guy's posts?

Beat me to it.

*******.

[Vicious89x]

Ok...at least he's trying to make football posts.

Considering this place has been pretty brutal lately with the endless amounts of non funny one line posts attempting to be witty.

At the same time it's not like you can have a genuine discussion. Either acknowledge or be "destroyed" by statistical evidence woven into a perfect pom pom pattern.

How good can we be under Rex? At least as good as last year. No clue how you can think we'll be better or worse with a completely new system. Am I hopeful? Yes, but I don't know how good Rex's and Pettine's D will translate with the pieces we have already.

[Vudu]

You guys are brutal with the sarcasm.

[#27TheDominator]

Serious question, I know this might not be the place for it, but:

How is Bart Scott in coverage? That was our big problem last season. Did they address it or just pull in one of Ryan's boys without regard for fixing our problems. Can he run? These converted DEs we are throwing out there can't run and can't cover.

[glenn31]

I guess I just get "made fun of" for talking about the Jets, on a football message board, during the offseason.

[Bleed4TheGreen]

It's not my fault that negative Jet fans are negative because the Jets havn't "Won the superbowl" since 1969.

It's not my fault that alot of Jet fans come to a Jets message board during the offseason with nothing but negativity and clown posters who actually enjoy the sport for what it's worht; Fun and Games.

It's not my fault that Jet fans don't have the ability to be pumped up and excited about Rex Ryan, Bart Scott, a top 5 CB in Revis, a top 5 NT in Jenkins, a talented Safety in Rhodes, a top of the line O-Line, a solid WR in Cotchery, a Franchise LT in Ferguson, a top 5 center in Mangold, a future HOF LG in Faneca who's only 32 years of age, an exciting play-maker in Leon Washington, last years AFC Leading rusher/work horse in Thomas Jones, an elite pass catching TE in Keller (A player who was ranked as the nations #1 pass catching TE coming out of college, a productive lead blocking FB in Richardson, one heck of a talented MLB in David Harris (The player who was ranked as the Nations #1 3-4 MLB coming out of college), the additions of Sheppard and Leonhard, a proven pass rusher in Pace who's put up better #'s than Suggs over the past 2 years since becoming a full time starter...I can go on and on.

It's not my fault that negative nancys cant be excited or get pumped up about our Potential Franchise QB in Mark Sanchez, a player with amazing talent and potential. I guess the Jets traded up and took Sanchez because he's the next "Ryan Leaf or Kellen Clemens"

It's not my fault that most Jet fans cant be excited about "The War Machine" a player that won the "Doak Walker" Award as a 1st year starter for Iowa last year. The only back in the nation to rush for over 100 yards with each and every game last year. A power back that rushed for 1800+ yards, 20 TD's, 0 Fumbles, took home the MVP award of his teams bowl game, had 2 games with 140+ yards, 2 games with 150+ yards along with another 2 games of 200+ yards...

I guess the only time your a "Realist" as a Jets fan is when you talk about the lack of Depth on the O-Line, the lack of Depth on the D-Line, our 29th pass ranked Defense of 2008, "No WR talent", the "Loss" of a 40 year old QB with nothing left, the loss of Coles, a WR that no one considered a "True #1 WR" to begin with...Yeah, I guess you have to be a piss poor Jets fan to be considered a "Realist" instead of a die hard fan right?

[Bleed4TheGreen]

Serious question, I know this might not be the place for it, but:

How is Bart Scott in coverage? That was our big problem last season. Did they address it or just pull in one of Ryan's boys without regard for fixing our problems. Can he run? These converted DEs we are throwing out there can't run and can't cover.

Bart Scott has actually been known as one of the best MLB's in pass coverage over the past couple of years. Eric Barton was known as a great pass coverage MLB (With the Raiders) But since he joined the Jets...He just never had the speed anymore to be considered productive against the pass like Bart Scott as of right now.

[SenorGato]

It isn't your fault DWC.

It really isn't.

[Vicious89x]

It is your fault though, for typing the longest posts ever though.

And for wearing Dolphins jerseys.