Its that time..Kellen vs. Mark

[TNJet]

Who wins the competition, and sarts the first game of the season in your opinion??

[crashingjet]

No option for Ainge?

[Vudu]

Mark Sanchez

[124]

And here...we...go!

[TNJet]

No option for Ainge?

I'd vote for you against Chad...much better arm and toughness.

[MagicBizkit87]

I'd vote for you against Chad...much better arm and toughness.

You lost me on the toughness part, they may be equally wimpy.

[124]

Okay, TNJet, just so you know I'm not off the Kellen bandwagon at all! I still like him a lot and think he will do well in Minnesota or San Francisco in 2010. BUT, this organization made sure that they got Sanchez under contract before Minicamp's even ended. There are only two reasons why Kellen would be under center Week 1:

1. Injury

2. Sanchez plays so poorly that they cannot justify putting him into the lineup.

And if #2 is the case, that is nothing but a terrible sign.

As much as I like Kellen and have serious doubts with Sanchez, I do not think he will perform that badly in Camp + Preseason games. I am going to say that Sanchez is behind center Week 1.

[Irish Jet]

I think we will trade for Chad Pennington.

[TNJet]

Okay, TNJet, just so you know I'm not off the Kellen bandwagon at all! I still like him a lot and think he will do well in Minnesota or San Francisco in 2010. BUT, this organization made sure that they got Sanchez under contract before Minicamp's even ended. There are only two reasons why Kellen would be under center Week 1:

1. Injury

2. Sanchez plays so poorly that they cannot justify putting him into the lineup.

And if #2 is the case, that is nothing but a terrible sign.

As much as I like Kellen and have serious doubts with Sanchez, I do not think he will perform that badly in Camp + Preseason games. I am going to say that Sanchez is behind center Week 1.

Good points and they are appreciated. But lets not rule out that #2 can easily take place with any rookie qb in the league in any season.

[124]

Good points and they are appreciated. But lets not rule out that #2 can easily take place with any rookie qb in the league in any season.

He is going to have to play HORRIBLY for him, if healthy, to take a back seat to Kellen for Week 1. IF he does, that is a HORRIBLE sign. Even Adam Schefter (the most respected man on television when it comes to the NFL) said so on Beningo & Roberts (I think it was Joe & Evan's show).

[TNJet]

He is going to have to play HORRIBLY for him, if healthy, to take a back seat to Kellen for Week 1. IF he does, that is a HORRIBLE sign. Even Adam Schefter (the most respected man on television when it comes to the NFL) said so on Beningo & Roberts (I think it was Joe & Evan's show).

Not completely knowing a new pro style scheme and playing against an aggressive Rex Ryan D stocked full of pro bowlers can make a rookie play horribly from time to time. Not,saying i wish this on him because i dont...but look at Quinn in Cleveland,he hasnt seen the field and he was considered by many as the best qb coming out in 2005. If you struggle,the coaches struggle to throw you to the dogs your first season. Yes i know about Ryan watching Flacco last season but who did they have? Boller? Smith? They are much worse than even Clemens.

[124]

Brady Quinn was drafted in 2007. He is only going into his 3rd season. He didn't see the field as a rookie thanks to the emergence of Derek Anderson. If it weren't for Anderson breaking out, Quinn would've been in the lineup by Week 6.

Yes, Kyle Boller was a bust. But guess what? He started from Week 1 as a rookie.

I'm sorry, but when Adam Shefter says that the only reason Kellen starts is if Mark does HORRIBLE during TC/Preseason Games, I'm taking his word for it. He's the only one in the media you can trust 100% of the way.

[TNJet]

Brady Quinn was drafted in 2007. He is only going into his 3rd season. He didn't see the field as a rookie thanks to the emergence of Derek Anderson. If it weren't for Anderson breaking out, Quinn would've been in the lineup by Week 6.

I'm sorry, but when Adam Shefter says that the only reason Kellen starts is if Mark does HORRIBLE during TC/Preseason Games, I'm taking his word for it.

right 07 my bad. And an emergence of Clemens wouldnt do the same? What if Sanchez is to Kellen what Quinn was for Anderson?

[124]

right 07 my bad. And an emergence of Clemens wouldnt do the same? What if Sanchez is to Kellen what Quinn was for Anderson?

Romeo Crennell made the move to start Charlie Frye. Frye was HORRIBLE Week 1, they dealt him to Seattle and to give Quinn time until the Bye Week, they started Anderson (the fans were pissed). Anderson surprised and stayed on the field. Quinn had 2 QB's ahead of him. Already, he has only 1. For now.

I do not think Crennell and Ryan have the same mindset (and I sure as hell hope they don't).

5 years, $50 million, $28 guarenteed?

Play the kid.

[TNJet]

Romeo Crennell made the move to start Charlie Frye. Frye was HORRIBLE Week 1, they dealt him to Seattle and to give Quinn time until the Bye Week, they started Anderson (the fans were pissed). Anderson surprised and stayed on the field. Quinn had 2 QB's ahead of him. Already, he has only 1. For now.

I do not think Crennell and Ryan have the same mindset (and I sure as hell hope they don't).

5 years, $50 million, $28 guarenteed?

Play the kid.

I'm sorry but i dont root for whoever makes the most money or is a higher draft pick. I say let the best qb play if its Sanchez fine but let him prove it by playing better against the defense in camp. If its Clemens then so be it. Rex is really gonna look like a homer in many peoples eyes if he sets the best qb regardless of how high of a pick he was.

[Bleed4TheGreen]

The only way Mark Sanchez is not the starting QB come week 1, is if Mark Sanchez plays like complete dog **** during traning came and preseason, because thats what Kellen Clemens is...Pretty much dog ****

This is the start of the Rex Ryan era and Mark Sanchez is our potential Franchise QB...It's Sanchez-Just about 100% sure.

[124]

I'm sorry but i dont root for whoever makes the most money or is a higher draft pick. I say let the best qb play if its Sanchez fine but let him prove it by playing better against the defense in camp. If its Clemens then so be it. Rex is really gonna look like a homer in many peoples eyes if he sets the best qb regardless of how high of a pick he was.

I get what you're saying TN, and I like Clemens just as much as you do BUT:

Once again:

The only way Kellen Clemens is behind center Week 1 is if Mark Sanchez is absolutely putrid in Training Camp / Preseason.

It has been well documented.

If you are voting Clemens, you believe that this will happen.

[Bleed4TheGreen]

I'm sorry but i dont root for whoever makes the most money or is a higher draft pick. I say let the best qb play if its Sanchez fine but let him prove it by playing better against the defense in camp. If its Clemens then so be it. Rex is really gonna look like a homer in many peoples eyes if he sets the best qb regardless of how high of a pick he was.

Kellen Clemens has a QB raiting of only 52.0 as a starting NFL QB...Thats a Ryan Leaf type of QB raiting right there. He only had 5 TD's with 11 INT's as a starter... He's a nothing.

[SenorGato]

I'm rooting for Clemens.

Sorry if I don't buy that the kid with 16 college starts under his belt is going to become an instant starter in the NFL. I think very highly of Sanchez, and he's USC most talented QB since Palmer, but I don't want him starting until he's 100% ready to start.

Clemens here in '09!!!

I realize I'm being crazy because most of the scouts on here think Clemens is a super-mega bust after not taking the '07 team to the playoffs.

124...Schefter? Really? Adam Schefter?

Sanchez should have to blow everyone away to start as a rookie. Believe it or not, you're allowed to have a future even if it doesn't come instantaneously.

[Larz]

I THINK sanchez will start week 1

I WANT clemens to start week 1

I want clemens to start for 2 reasons;

1) give mcdreamy some time to learn and observe

2) it's much better to go from clemens to sanchez than from sanchez to clemens mid-season

one way is "make way for the future"

the other way is "another Jets 1st round bust"

[Bleed4TheGreen]

I'm rooting for Clemens.

Sorry if I don't buy that the kid with 16 college starts under his belt is going to become an instant starter in the NFL. I think very highly of Sanchez, and he's USC most talented QB since Palmer, but I don't want him starting until he's 100% ready to start.

Clemens here in '09!!!

I realize I'm being crazy because most of the scouts on here think Clemens is a super-mega bust after not taking the '07 team to the playoffs.

Hey...Just remember...In 2007, he had Coles and Cotchery as his 1-2 punch at the WR position and still put up Ryan Leaf types of numbers...

What the hell would he do here in 2009...With "NOTHING" at the WR position?

[Larz]

Hey...Just remember...In 2007, he had Coles and Cotchery as his 1-2 punch at the WR position and still put up Ryan Leaf types of numbers...

What the hell would he do here in 2009...With "NOTHING" at the WR position?

so does the QB make the WR or does the WR make the QB ?

in the cotch threads, you argue he had nothing passing to him

now it's clemens can't play with nothing at WR

so which is it ?

[Bleed4TheGreen]

so does the QB make the WR or does the WR make the QB ?

in the cotch threads, you argue he had nothing passing to him

now it's clemens can't play with nothing at WR

so which is it ?

Cotchery didn't have any type of talent passing him the ball in 2007, Kellen is garbage.

There was a reason why Mangini wanted Ratliff on draft day and wanted nothing to do with Kellen...He's a Ryan Leaf type of freaking talent.

Cotchery is a good WR...Plain and simple. Kellen isn't.

And if you couldn't tell my sarcasm with this situation, just wow. But honestly...Kellen Clemens never had a fiar chance in 2007 because of our O-Line, but still...He showed me pretty much nothing other than the game against the Ravens where their Defense was playing REAL soft.

[Vicious89x]

Cotchery didn't have any type of talent passing him the ball in 2007, Kellen is garbage.

There was a reason why Mangini wanted Ratliff on draft day and wanted nothing to do with Kellen...He's a Ryan Leaf type of freaking talent.

Cotchery is a good WR...Plain and simple. Kellen isn't.

We have a Kellen at WR?

[Bleed4TheGreen]

We have a Kellen at WR?

Since everything has to be perfect...Cotchery is a good WR, plain and simple...

Kellen Clemens is not a good QB...Plain and simple.

Do you get all over your son with little mistakes around the house also? Serious question. It's only thing to correct someone, it's another to nit pick

[Irish Jet]

This thread is diseased.

[Irish Jet]

Since everything has to be perfect...Cotchery is a good WR, plain and simple...

Kellen Clemens is not a good QB...Plain and simple.

Do you get all over your son with little mistakes around the house also? Serious question. It's only thing to correct someone, it's another to nit pick

[SenorGato]

Cotchery didn't have any type of talent passing him the ball in 2007, Kellen is garbage.

There was a reason why Mangini wanted Ratliff on draft day and wanted nothing to do with Kellen...He's a Ryan Leaf type of freaking talent.

Cotchery is a good WR...Plain and simple. Kellen isn't.

And if you couldn't tell my sarcasm with this situation, just wow. But honestly...Kellen Clemens never had a fiar chance in 2007 because of our O-Line, but still...He showed me pretty much nothing other than the game against the Ravens where their Defense was playing REAL soft.

Reasons why Mangini wouldn't want Clemens:

1. Jets wouldn't give him up because Ratliff is very obviously a career backup, and the Browns have Quinn, their future starter.

2. Clemens has one more year on his contract, so it doesn't even make sense to have him if he's a one year backup to Quinn.

3. The Jets wouldn't give up Clemens because that leaves us with two QBs with 0 non-preseason passes thrown in the NFL. One being Brett frickin Ratliff, the David Clowney of QB's.

Also, in '07 Clemens was working with an injured Cotchery (fingers) and an injured Coles who missed 4 games.

The anti-Clemens stuff, like the anti-Mangini stuff, is usually based on half remembered, mostly made up memories, mixed with a little bit of bad, half assed conjecture based "analysis."

Kellen Clemens. FTW.

[Vicious89x]

Since everything has to be perfect...Cotchery is a good WR, plain and simple...

Kellen Clemens is not a good QB...Plain and simple.

Do you get all over your son with little mistakes around the house also? Serious question. It's only thing to correct someone, it's another to nit pick

You really have nothing to do but get on my kid. This is the SECOND time your bring in my son into a discussion.

And to answer your questions, yes I would get on him if my son grew up to be an epic failure like yourself. If you want to be witty or try to be a smart ass perhaps using that thing in your head called a brain rather then go after someone's 16 month old kid.

[Larz]

Cotchery didn't have any type of talent passing him the ball in 2007, Kellen is garbage.

There was a reason why Mangini wanted Ratliff on draft day and wanted nothing to do with Kellen...He's a Ryan Leaf type of freaking talent.

Cotchery is a good WR...Plain and simple. Kellen isn't.

And if you couldn't tell my sarcasm with this situation, just wow. But honestly...Kellen Clemens never had a fiar chance in 2007 because of our O-Line, but still...He showed me pretty much nothing other than the game against the Ravens where their Defense was playing REAL soft.

it just jumped out at me that you seem to use the talent around a guy to judge his performance so I was wondering how it worked

no biggie

I love j-co, btw, I think his handling of the xtra attention he will get will be a huge factor in how the offense does this year

[GodWearsAGrayHoodie]

Sanchez starts unless Sanchez is absolutely horrible in pre-season (e.g. 8 ints per TD). Woody has too much tied up in his media star/first and second round picks to go with the Clemens if it is close or if Clemens give the team the best chance to win, but is not miles ahead of Sanchez.

[Bleed4TheGreen]

You really have nothing to do but get on my kid. This is the SECOND time your bring in my son into a discussion.

And to answer your questions, yes I would get on him if my son grew up to be an epic failure like yourself. If you want to be witty or try to be a smart ass perhaps using that thing in your head called a brain rather then go after someone's 16 month old kid.

Your being the smart ass with each and every post I make...Your the one going out of your way to attack my each and every though. I asked you a serious question about your type of personality...Do you correct people or do you nit pick? You didn't like it in the same ways I dont

[SenorGato]

Your being the smart ass with each and every post I make...Your the one going out of your way to attack my each and every though. I asked you a serious question about your type of personality...Do you correct people or do you nit pick? You didn't like it in the same ways I dont

Why do you INSIST on being like this?

THREEEEEE message boards of people hate you. When the season comes around and offseason bullsh*t goes out the door, you're probably done.

Seriously...just ch*ll the f out. Is it REALLY that hard for you?

[Vicious89x]

Your being the smart ass with each and every post I make...Your the one going out of your way to attack my each and every though. I asked you a serious question about your type of personality...Do you correct people or do you nit pick? You didn't like it in the same ways I dont

I like it fine, people can nitpick and make fun of me all they want. I still won't bring their kids into the discussion.

And I, unlike your obviously very educated self, read my posts before hitting "submit" to make sure it makes some sort of sense. I also use this cool feature called "spell check".

Leave my kid out of this, do NOT bring him up again. Supposedly you have a child yourself and you don't see me bringing him up in here and asking questions like that.

This isn't "freestyle" rapping, this is a message board. Think before you post, why do you think the majority of people on 3 DIFFERENT BOARDS rip you? Yea.

[Irish Jet]

Supposedly you have a child yourself

Seriously?