Jaded Green Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 2nd most successful franchise in American Sports history. If you are into bragging, which I guess you are.How about professional sports? Since you're into facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Wasn't it you who extolled how well you could push people's buttons in order to get them banned? Didn't you have some type of success rate that you were all proud of? No, I merely said that the only people I ever really got into it with were the people who were doing something that was ban worthy. I said tat if you looked at my track record at least 80% of the people I have had a problem with are no longer here. This site needs to be renamed strawmannation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 How about professional sports? Since you're into facts. That would be the Boston Celtics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 No, I merely said that the only people I ever really got into it with were the people who were doing something that was ban worthy. I said tat if you looked at my track record at least 80% of the people I have had a problem with are no longer here. This site needs to be renamed strawmannation. I recall you getting into it with me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Green Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 That would be the Boston Celtics.26 > 16 39 total appearances > 19 total appearances Let me guess, winning precentage? Stretch much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 26 > 16 39 total appearances > 19 total appearances Let me guess, winning precentage? Stretch much? Number of championships to the number of years played. Pretty simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Green Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Number of championships to the number of years played. Pretty simple. Right, the whole world obviously views things this way. Who's fault is it the number of years played are not the same? So what you are saying is the Yankees have the most and for longer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Right, the whole world obviously views things this way. Who's fault is it the number of years played are not the same? So what you are saying is the Yankees have the most and for longer! What I am saying is the most successful franchise, based on championship percentage is the Boston Celtics. No one can argue that. You can't win championships if you don't exist. Just because you have been around longer, have had more opportunity to compile, does not make you the most successful in terms of percentage of opportunity. Simple logic. Yankees have the most championships. Celtics have the greatest percentage of championships based on years in existence. No reason to get your panties in a bunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I recall you getting into it with me I don't recall that. Depends of your definition of getting into it. It will still not disprove what I said. Plus I thought it was just good old fashioned ball busting. Someone goes out of their way to bust my balls the least I can do is give them the reaction they were looking for. Keeps things fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I don't recall that. Depends of your definition of getting into it. It will still not disprove what I said. Plus I thought it was just good old fashioned ball busting. Someone goes out of their way to bust my balls the least I can do is give them the reaction they were looking for. Keeps things fun I could share a PM, but I won't. I like you and you are a good poster and keep things lively. I just got under your skin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 What I am saying is the most successful franchise, based on championship percentage is the Boston Celtics. No one can argue that. You can't win championships if you don't exist. Just because you have been around longer, have had more opportunity to compile, does not make you the most successful in terms of percentage of opportunity. Simple logic. Yankees have the most championships. Celtics have the greatest percentage of championships based on years in existence. No reason to get your panties in a bunch so the boston celtics and the new york yankees are both great teams. wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 so the boston celtics and the new york yankees are both great teams. wow. See, now you guys have totally derailed DBrick's Magic Number thread. Way to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Green Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 What I am saying is the most successful franchise, based on championship percentage is the Boston Celtics. No one can argue that. You can't win championships if you don't exist. Just because you have been around longer, have had more opportunity to compile, does not make you the most successful in terms of percentage of opportunity. Simple logic. Yankees have the most championships. Celtics have the greatest percentage of championships based on years in existence. No reason to get your panties in a bunch I go commando. OK well there is no way of knowing if the Celtics would have more or the same in the same amount of time. The fact is the Yankees do have 26 in that amount of time and only the Montreal Canadiens are even close. Many are going to view more as more successful, I give the Celtics credit, but IMO it takes more to win it all in most of the team sports, than it does to win it all in basketball. On a side note The Canadiens have won at least once in every decade of their existence, except this one and they are over 100 years old. This will be the last year to keep that string going as they have not won since 1993, and I don't think any other franchise can say they have done that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I go commando. OK well there is no way of knowing if the Celtics would have more or the same in the same amount of time. The fact is the Yankees do have 26 in that amount of time and only the Montreal Canadiens are even close. Many are going to view more as more successful, I give the Celtics credit, but IMO it takes more to win it all in the other 3 main sports, than it does to win it all in basketball. On a side note The Canadiens have won at least once in every decade of their existence, except this one and they are over 100 years old. This will be the last year to keep that string going as they have not won since 1993, and I don't think any other franchise can say they have done that. To me, frequency of accomplishment (consistency) is the Hallmark to measurement. That is me. I will not be foolish enough to state how others view things, as you have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Green Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 To me, frequency of accomplishment (consistency) is the Hallmark to measurement. That is me. I will not be foolish enough to state how others view things, as you have done. Good for you. So in the larger sample time frame, nobody has won it all more frequent than the Yanks. (consistency) That would be the Hallmark to measurement for teams existing for the same time frame. Not that a level playing field should matter or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 So in the larger sample time frame, nobody has won it all more frequent than the Yanks. False, the Celtics have won more frequently than the Yanks. 62 years is a fairly substantial time frame. Would you care to use only the 62 years that the Celtics have been a franchise? Your sample looks worse then. You certainly can't punish the Celtics for not being established earlier. The fact remains, no franchise has won more frequently than the Celtics. You can't dispute that. As I mentioned earlier, you can use other measurements, but please stop disputing what is a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Green Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 False, the Celtics have won more frequently than the Yanks. 62 years is a fairly substantial time frame. Would you care to use only the 62 years that the Celtics have been a franchise? Your sample looks worse then. You certainly can't punish the Celtics for not being established earlier. The fact remains, no franchise has won more frequently than the Celtics. You can't dispute that. As I mentioned earlier, you can use other measurements, but please stop disputing what is a fact. I'm not disputing that they won more in the shorter time frame, but at the same time you can't punish the Yanks for being around longer. Again it's fact that the Yanks won 26 in their existance. You can only speculate that the Celtics would have more, if they had been around as long, and if they will have more when they are around as long as Yankees are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I'm not disputing that they won more in the shorter time frame, but at the same time you can't punish the Yanks for being around longer. Again it's fact that the Yanks won 26 in their existance. You can only speculate that the Celtics would have more, if they had been around as long, and if they will have more when they are around as long as Yankees are now. I am speculating nothing. Only stating fact. it is YOU who is speculating. The idea that YOU call someone else "spin cycle" on this site, is rather comical, based on your exchange here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jaded Green Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I am speculating nothing. Only stating fact. it is YOU who is speculating. The idea that YOU call someone else "spin cycle" on this site, is rather comical, based on your exchange here. OK, what am I spinning? What is the the Hallmark to measurement for teams existing for as long as the Yankees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 OK, what am I spinning? What is the the Hallmark to measurement for teams existing for as long as the Yankees? I already told you from my perspective-Consistency and frequency of success. Not all perspectives will be the same, again, as I told you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Green Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I already told you from my perspective-Consistency and frequency of success. Not all perspectives will be the same, again, as I told you. And for teams who have been around for as long as the Yankees, nobody has won more frequently or been more consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 And for teams who have been around for as long as the Yankees, nobody has won more frequently or been more consistent. That severely limits your basis of comparison. Certainly does not pertain to all professional sports team. A mere fraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Green Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 That severely limits your basis of comparison. Certainly does not pertain to all professional sports team. A mere fraction.Ok, you let me know when another team wins more times than the Yankees, in less years then. A mere fraction, yet you can only come up with the Celtics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Ok, you let me know when another team wins more times than the Yankees, in less years then. In terms of frequency-The Boston Celtics. Having a hard time grasping this concept, aren't you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Green Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 In terms of frequency-The Boston Celtics. Having a hard time grasping this concept, aren't you. 26 > 16 That would mean more times than 26 in less years, having a hard time with that, are we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 26 > 19 That would mean more times than 26 in less years, having a hard time with that, are we? I have never argued that. But that does not tell the entire story. Of course, you choose to ignore the basis of common sense. That is your right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 26 > 16 That would mean more times than 26 in less years, having a hard time with that, are we? Second time you got it wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Green Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I have never argued that. But that does not tell the entire story. Of course, you choose to ignore the basis of common sense. That is your right. I did not ignore anything, when the Celtics win more than the Yankees have in less years, I'll precieve them as more successful over all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 I did not ignore anything, when the Celtics win more than the Yankees have in less years, I'll precieve them as more successful over all. So, if the Celtics had won more over a similar time frame, you would consider them more successful? Shall we compare the first 62 years of each franchise? Would that be fair, based won what you have written here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Green Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Second time you got it wrong It's 26 > 16 39 > 19 That is what I posted the first time I mentioned it, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Green Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 So, if the Celtics had won more over a similar time frame, you would consider them more successful? Shall we compare the first 62 years of each franchise? Would that be fair, based won what you have written here? No, why should we punish the Yankees for playing longer. What's wrong with them having to win more total in less years? Plus it's way harder to win the world series IMO, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 It is not worth arguing with someone who can't even get the facts straight. You are spinderella. Fact-The Celtics have won the greatest frequency of championships in professional sports. That is all I have ever said here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Green Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 It is not worth arguing with someone who can't even get the facts straight. You are spinderella. Fact-The Celtics have won the greatest frequency of championships in professional sports. That is all I have ever said here. OK The Yankees won the most, and I see them as more succesful until someone wins more championships (26 as of now) in less years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Scott. You are really splitting hairs here. The Yankees and Celtics percentages are awfully close to be making value judgments about them. It isn't a statistically significant difference. 24.07 vs 26.97 Which is pretty impressive seeing as how the Yankees would probably have to win 3 titles to move that number up a point where as every one the Celtics wins move it about 1.5-2 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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