talisaynon Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 First of all you are overrating Austin Jackson like CRAZY. He's not a "prime prospect" as you put, and neither is Zach McAllister. Second... Adam Dunn is a PROVEN 40 HR hitter, who could possibly hit 50 in Yankee Stadium. You should put a paper bag over your head. What are you smoking? AJax is currently the Youngest player in IL who, yes, might have an inflated BABIP and didn't show power last year, but he's cost controlled for 6 years and is not nearly a finished product. As for McAllister, he's another 6 year cost controlled prospect who's 1 season (maybe less) away from hitting the ML, whose ceiling is a mid-rotation starter. Adam Dunn was signed to a 2 year 20 million dollar contract and has negative value defensively (-38.2 Uzr/150). Even if you're salivating at that 140 OPS+ he'll give you it's not worth it considering we have guys that are going to be rotated in and out of that DH spot this year(Posada) and in the future (Posada, ARod). Tying up Adam Dunn to a long term contract is plain lunacy- the man is never going to see the light of day on the field, and relegating him to the DH spot brings down his overall value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted November 21, 2009 Author Share Posted November 21, 2009 They are both very good prospects. McAlister is the yankees best pitching prospect at the moment and CF's who can hit are rare. Dunn is a very good hitter but he's getting older and is one of the worst outfielders in the major. The yankees are better off bringing Damon back short term than making this trade. They're decent prospects. Jesus Montero, Buster Posey, and Jason Heyward are very good prospects. Austin Jackson is probably 2 notches below them. Jackson strikes out way too much, doesn't walk enough, and has no power. He has a lot to improve if he's going to be much better than either Melky Cabrera and Brett Gardner. This all mute, because I don't think the Nationals would want Austin Jackson, they already have Nyjer Morgan. Dunn would be the Yankees DH, so who cares what his defense looks like. He's 29 years old, you know... the same age as Mark Teixeira, and would be a DH, so I wouldn't worry about his age any time soon. I would re-sign Damon to hit 2nd and play in LF if we traded for Dunn. 1. Jeter SS 2. Damon LF 3. Teixeira 1B 4. Rodriguez 3B 5. Dunn DH 6. Posada C 7. Cano 2B 8. Swisher RF 9. We'll see CF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 resign Damon. let Matsui walk. sign nick johnson and mark derosa, part time 1B/DH and OFer/Infielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Get rid of Matsui-san, resign Damon to a mediocre deal and go after another pitcher or Holiday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexRyanRules Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Madmike and Tyler going at it. This should get interesting Months change yet things stay the same. You still add nothing except to be an insufferable douchebag. I remember why i left this site now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Months change yet things stay the same. You still add nothing except to be an insufferable douchebag. I remember why i left this site now. I thought you left after you were banned for personal attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted November 21, 2009 Author Share Posted November 21, 2009 Adam Dunn -- the Yankees don't need a masher that might strike out 180 times in the middle of the lineup. Pass. You can live with high strike out rates when you are a power hitter. Especially a power hitter who gets on base a lot. You can't live with it when speed is part of your game. You'll take the strike outs with guys like Adam Dunn and Ryan Howard because of the production they give you. That's how I feel at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexRyanRules Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 I thought you left after you were banned for personal attacks. Ban me again. I don't really care. It's pretty clear that the rules only apply to some posters around here anyway. I'm not sure why I didn't remember that before I started posting again... My bad. Tell your pal Scott Dipsh*t to stop PM'ing me too. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 You can live with high strike out rates when you are a power hitter. Especially a power hitter who gets on base a lot. You can't live with it when speed is part of your game. You'll take the strike outs with guys like Adam Dunn and Ryan Howard because of the production they give you. That's how I feel at least. That is one thing that has definitely changed with the game in recent years. I know strikeouts aren't perceived as negatively as they were in years past. Beats a double play kind of thing and I agree to an extent. I just don't see the need for the Yankees to make a move that big. I would love to see them go with more homegrown talent and cut payroll. Winning it all next year at 160 million would be sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted November 21, 2009 Author Share Posted November 21, 2009 That is one thing that has definitely changed with the game in recent years. I know strikeouts aren't perceived as negatively as they were in years past. Beats a double play kind of thing and I agree to an extent. I just don't see the need for the Yankees to make a move that big. I would love to see them go with more homegrown talent and cut payroll. Winning it all next year at 160 million would be sweet. I could careless what the payroll is. Yankee haters will hate no matter what their payroll is. A championship with a $200M payroll feels just as a good as $160M payroll. I want to get younger (Adam Dunn does that, he just turned 30 years old) but if we're parting ways with Matsui, we MUST replace that bat. If we can't find a replacement, then we have to bring him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 I could careless what the payroll is. Yankee haters will hate no matter what their payroll is. A championship with a $200M payroll feels just as a good as $160M payroll. I want to get younger (Adam Dunn does that, he just turned 30 years old) but if we're parting ways with Matsui, we MUST replace that bat. If we can't find a replacement, then we have to bring him back. Well I agree that if they lose Matsui, that leaves a hole in the lineup. I think Matsui is back though, even for just one year. I would not be happy seeing Cano, Swisher or Posada owning that 5 spot next year. Bringing Matsui back keeps the bat and getting a better defensive outfielder to replace Damon improves the team. They do need to get younger, I hope they do it in LF instead of DH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted November 21, 2009 Author Share Posted November 21, 2009 Here is the Top 20 in strike outs: Mark Reynolds- 223 Ryan Howard- 186 Jack Cust- 185 Adam Dunn- 177 Brandon Inge- 170 Carlos Pena- 163 Jason Bay- 162 Mike Cameron- 156 Jayson Werth- 156 B.J. Upton- 152 Shin-Soo Choo- 151 Dan Uggla- 150 Chris Davis- 150 Russell Branyan- 149 Brad Hawpe- 145 Adam LaRoche- 142 Curtis Granderson- 141 David Wright- 140 Michael Bourn- 140 Evan Longoria- 140 (Nick Swisher at 126 is the only Yankee in the Top 50) Some pretty good players on that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted November 21, 2009 Author Share Posted November 21, 2009 Well I agree that if they lose Matsui, that leaves a hole in the lineup. I think Matsui is back though, even for just one year. I would not be happy seeing Cano, Swisher or Posada owning that 5 spot next year. Bringing Matsui back keeps the bat and getting a better defensive outfielder to replace Damon improves the team. They do need to get younger, I hope they do it in LF instead of DH. I always thought Matsui was done with the Yankees, I still think Cashman wants to part ways, but it just seems logical to bring him back for another year, until maybe Jesus Montero can take over. Unless we can replace him with a equal or better bat. With Damon I really like his bat a the top of the order. If we part ways with him we need to find a new lead off hitter if we move Jeter back to the 2 hole, or we need to find a new 2 hole hitter, with Jeter still leading off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 I always thought Matsui was done with the Yankees, I still think Cashman wants to part ways, but it just seems logical to bring him back for another year, until maybe Jesus Montero can take over. Unless we can replace him with a equal or better bat. With Damon I really like his bat a the top of the order. If we part ways with him we need to find a new lead off hitter if we move Jeter back to the 2 hole, or we need to find a new 2 hole hitter, with Jeter still leading off. Matsui being done here was the conventional wisdom, no doubt. But he put together a string of at bats that changed that. Maybe they both agree to short term deals. I don't think that happens. And if they have to choose I think Matsui would be the harder one to replace. (They do have to find something to fit in at the top of the lineup - but that is easier than a solid #5 hitter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 That is one thing that has definitely changed with the game in recent years. I know strikeouts aren't perceived as negatively as they were in years past. Beats a double play kind of thing and I agree to an extent. I just don't see the need for the Yankees to make a move that big. I would love to see them go with more homegrown talent and cut payroll. Winning it all next year at 160 million would be sweet. I guess I'm a traditionalist. I still view them pretty negatively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 I always thought Matsui was done with the Yankees, I still think Cashman wants to part ways, but it just seems logical to bring him back for another year, until maybe Jesus Montero can take over. Unless we can replace him with a equal or better bat. With Damon I really like his bat a the top of the order. If we part ways with him we need to find a new lead off hitter if we move Jeter back to the 2 hole, or we need to find a new 2 hole hitter, with Jeter still leading off. I HATE JETER IN THE 2 HOLE! No homo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 I HATE JETER IN THE 2 HOLE! No homo. :rl: I thought Jeter would be much better as the 2 hitter, always have thought that. But seeing him lead off this year just proves that Girardi made the right move. He is a free swinger, 1st pitch swings a lot... putting him as the # 2 is bad. Especially with the double plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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