124 Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Marinos legacy to me will always be Ace Venturas side kick And he was less important than the mascot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardKoreXXX Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Dan Marino's legacy is this: He was a quarterback in miami during a 'miami fad' started by Miami Vice. This made him popular. Now we discuss his legacy, because we're realizing the show was lame, pastel colors are lame, and maybe the Dolphins just weren't very good. I understand what you're trying to do here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillerPaul Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 FWIW, Marino has the most 4th Quarter comebacks of any QB in NFL History. Goes to show you how ****ty some of the Dolphin defenses were. Also, take a quick look at Marino and Youngs numbers. It's laughable. Steelers biggest mistake ever was passing on Marino in that draft. If Chuck Noll woulda took him, he wouldn't have been pushed to retirement so early and probably gets another Lombardi or two imo. I hadn't realized Marino had more 4th quarter heroics than Elway maybe due to Elway's playoff comebacks. Thanks for the info. It probably elevates Danny to my top 5 fwiw. No way a Young belongs up there imo. He basically got in the hall by taking over the machine Joe cool ran. But Joe Cool was twice the QB in his prime. Jerry Rice and John Taylor at WR? I could complete passes to them. Not to mention the recieving backs they had and Tom Rathman over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 62-7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 FWIW, Marino has the most 4th Quarter comebacks of any QB in NFL History. Goes to show you how ****ty some of the Dolphin defenses were. Also, take a quick look at Marino and Youngs numbers. It's laughable. It is. Young's got a significantly better completion percentage, higher YPA, lower INT %, higher passer rating, better winning percentage, more rushing yards. He's also got more MVPs. Oh, and more SB rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted February 12, 2010 Author Share Posted February 12, 2010 FWIW, Marino has the most 4th Quarter comebacks of any QB in NFL History. Goes to show you how ****ty some of the Dolphin defenses were. Also, take a quick look at Marino and Youngs numbers. It's laughable. 1 SB in half the time vs 0 with twice as much experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillerPaul Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 It is. Young's got a significantly better completion percentage, higher YPA, lower INT %, higher passer rating, better winning percentage, more rushing yards. He's also got more MVPs. Oh, and more SB rings. You realllllllly enjoy f'n with Dolphin fans, don't ya ?? Can't say that I blame ya as I do my share of f'n with clowns fans. Rivalries rule! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 If he won that SB his rookie year and just one other he would be the greatest QB of all time imo. He's in the 5-10 range imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 If he won that SB his rookie year and just one other he would be the greatest QB of all time imo. He's in the 5-10 range imo. Stat compiler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Stat compiler. Yeah but I don't know if that's fair. He NEVER had a Defense worth a damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardKoreXXX Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 It is. Young's got a significantly better completion percentage, higher YPA, lower INT %, higher passer rating, better winning percentage, more rushing yards. He's also got more MVPs. Oh, and more SB rings. Young played in the west coast offense. Of course he would have a better YPA and completion %. Goofball. Convenient you neglected to mentioned Marino has almost 30,000 more passing yards and nearly 200 more TD's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardKoreXXX Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 [quote name='Blackout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Yeah but I don't know if that's fair. He NEVER had a Defense worth a damn. During Marino's 17 years in the NFL, the Dolphins had the number one defense in the league twice, in 1983 and 1998. They were also ranked in the top 10 three other seasons during his career and 12th or better two more times. So for 7 of his 17 years he had a decent to very good defense. If you take out 1993 when he only played 5 games due to injury and the Dolphins were ranked 24th in total defense you could say he had a decent to very good, even great defense in almost half his seasons in the NFL. NEVER had a defense worth a damn? Hardly. He had defenses that should have been good enough to win championships with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Young played in the west coast offense. Of course he would have a better YPA and completion %. Goofball. Convenient you neglected to mentioned Marino has almost 30,000 more passing yards and nearly 200 more TD's. Of course he did. He threw the ball 50000 freaking times. It's how he compiled stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardKoreXXX Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 During Marino's 17 years in the NFL, the Dolphins had the number one defense in the league twice, in 1983 and 1998. They were also ranked in the top 10 three other seasons during his career and 12th or better two more times. So for 7 of his 17 years he had a decent to very good defense. If you take out 1993 when he only played 5 games due to injury and the Dolphins were ranked 24th in total defense you could say he had a decent to very good, even great defense in almost half his seasons in the NFL. NEVER had a defense worth a damn? Hardly. He had defenses that should have been good enough to win championships with. Look at what those "Great" defenseive teams did in the playoffs. They were smoked by the K-Gun Bills a couple times. Hell, they even got manhandled by Montana's 49ers in the Super Bowl in Marino's first full season. Those defenses were never great. A couple good years, but never elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardKoreXXX Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Of course he did. He threw the ball 50000 freaking times. It's how he compiled stats. Not throwing the ball, with his arm, would've been like slapping God across the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Look at what those "Great" defenseive teams did in the playoffs. They were smoked by the K-Gun Bills a couple times. Hell, they even got manhandled by Montana's 49ers in the Super Bowl in Marino's first full season. Those defenses were never great. A couple good years, but never elite. Tell it to someone who gives a crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 If Super Bowl wins are the barometer by which someone's greatness is judged, then obivously Marino isn't a top 30 QB. Funny that football is the only sport where Championships determine someones greatness. Never hear people say Ted Williams wasn't the greatest hitter of all-time because he never won a World Series. That's just not true. Baseball's an individual sport. It's like golf with teams. It's different. But even when talking about the all-time greats in that sport, how they performed on a championship level matters as far as their legacy is concerned. But the legends in basketball and hockey are champions. Michael Jordan and Wayne Gretzky just aren't viewed the same way -no matter what kind of amazing numbers they put up- without the championships. Marino's legacy will always be as a guy who should've been good enough to win a Super Bowl, but didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardKoreXXX Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 That's just not true. Baseball's an individual sport. It's like golf with teams. It's different. But even when talking about the all-time greats in that sport, how they performed on a championship level matters as far as their legacy is concerned. But the legends in basketball and hockey are champions. Michael Jordan and Wayne Gretzky just aren't viewed the same way -no matter what kind of amazing numbers they put up- without the championships. Marino's legacy will always be as a guy who should've been good enough to win a Super Bowl, but didn't. I agree that Jordan and Gretzky's reputations were propelled by Championships. My point was that you don't often see players who are criticized for not winning a Champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 I agree that Jordan and Gretzky's reputations were propelled by Championships. My point was that you don't often see players who are criticized for not winning a Champ. It's a criticism here because you're a fish fan on a Jets' fan site! There's more than one school of thought in the GOAT debate, but I'm definitely of the mind that championships are -and should be- a deciding factor. When you're ranking players all-time, the guys who went undefeated in the Super Bowl, or won more than they lost, get extra credit for that. The object of the season is to be the last team standing. Seems fair to include that as a factor when discussing the best of all time. You see guys give credit to Elway for carrying his team there three times and losing. Jim Kelly gets that kind of credit. Marino only managed to carry his team there once. Marino was a very good player, but he'll always be on that Dan Fouts tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 During Marino's 17 years in the NFL, the Dolphins had the number one defense in the league twice, in 1983 and 1998. They were also ranked in the top 10 three other seasons during his career and 12th or better two more times. So for 7 of his 17 years he had a decent to very good defense. If you take out 1993 when he only played 5 games due to injury and the Dolphins were ranked 24th in total defense you could say he had a decent to very good, even great defense in almost half his seasons in the NFL. NEVER had a defense worth a damn? Hardly. He had defenses that should have been good enough to win championships with. Huh, well done Kleck. Good info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamprez2003 Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Where you rank Marino is dependant on whether you rank talent or career. If you base your rank on talent then he is top three of all time depending on what qualities you value most. If you base your rank on career accomplishmentsc(which are impacted by outside factors) then Marino is top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 I really dont think there's any question that Marino was a better QB than Elway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted February 12, 2010 Author Share Posted February 12, 2010 I really dont think there's any question that Marino was a better QB than Elway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Numbers wise, it isnt even a conversation. Elway was a slightly better version of Bernie Kosar in the 80's then rode Terrell Davis' legs to two rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakeG Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 you guys are nuts, there wouldnt be one fan here that wouldnt want to draft Marino, over O'Brien, well maybe the surfer dude. Marino is a top 5 alltime QB, get your heads out of your a$$ses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 I really dont think there's any question that Marino was a better QB than Elway QB? Yes. Cliche? No. Elway, due to his late career success, will be remembered as a winner. Marino fs it up by being a Dolphin and never winner a SB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted February 13, 2010 Author Share Posted February 13, 2010 Numbers wise, it isnt even a conversation. Elway was a slightly better version of Bernie Kosar in the 80's then rode Terrell Davis' legs to two rings. well ofcourse Shannahan's offense was more based around running the ball than passing....but Elway was already an HOFer before he won those 2 superbowls. Elway and Marino both played in the same AFC for a decade and a half...one had ALOT more success in the playoffs though lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Numbers wise, it isnt even a conversation. Elway was a slightly better version of Bernie Kosar in the 80's then rode Terrell Davis' legs to two rings. Are you really serious. You sure you aren't a bitter Browns fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Are you really serious. You sure you aren't a bitter Browns fan. Not at all. Look at the numbers. What did Elway do that was so special? Marino and Montana were the QB's of that generation. I'd even put Jim Kelly ahead of him. Elway is at the top of the second tier with Kosar and O'brien. "The drive" was against Schotty's Browns for christ sakes. A game that shouldnt have even happened if it werent for Gastineau's dumb ass. If the Jets played the Broncos in the AFC Championship, they win that game....like they had beaten them a few weeks earlier. Also, the year prior Elway got in on a gift Ernest Byner fumble. The AFC at the time was the sacrificial lamb for the NFC. Once Elway played a real team he got embarrassed. Elway is the most overrated QB of all time. And its ridiculous that because of TD that people are actually considering him the best ever. The guy cried about being picked by the Colts. He was a panzy from day 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Not at all. Look at the numbers. What did Elway do that was so special? Marino and Montana were the QB's of that generation. I'd even put Jim Kelly ahead of him. Elway is at the top of the second tier with Kosar and O'brien. "The drive" was against Schotty's Browns for christ sakes. A game that shouldnt have even happened if it werent for Gastineau's dumb ass. If the Jets played the Broncos in the AFC Championship, they win that game....like they had beaten them a few weeks earlier. Also, the year prior Elway got in on a gift Ernest Byner fumble. The AFC at the time was the sacrificial lamb for the NFC. Once Elway played a real team he got embarrassed. Elway is the most overrated QB of all time. And its ridiculous that because of TD that people are actually considering him the best ever. The guy cried about being picked by the Colts. He was a panzy from day 1. The "drive" happened the year before the "fumble". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 The "drive" happened the year before the "fumble". I got the years crossed. Point still stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted February 13, 2010 Author Share Posted February 13, 2010 50,000 passing yards isn't to shabby. and Elway's team was a HUGE underdog against the Packers. don't forget that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 He doesnt have one. Next question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 One of the best to never win a superbowl. top 10 easy. probably around the top 5 or 6 area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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