HessStation Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 First we hear that Demaryius Thomas breaks his foot. Eric Decker is just getting the nuts and bolts taken out of his foot this week. Danario Alexander is still not ready due to yet another knee injury. And then Dez Bryant is out with a hamstring. You can now add a horrendous amount of slow 40 times from top WR prospects to the equation. Arrelious Benn WR/Illinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 Shipley 4:65 WOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 28, 2010 Author Share Posted February 28, 2010 Two names to remember are Taylor Price and Emmanuel Sanders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 Thanks for the update, Hess. I hope Tanny can pull a rabbit out of his ass and trade Clemens for a 3rd or 4th. That would be a perfect spot to draft one of these WRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget Love 20 Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 Thanks for the update, Hess. I hope Tanny can pull a rabbit out of his ass and trade Clemens for a 3rd or 4th. That would be a perfect spot to draft one of these WRs. Clemens has little to no value except in our eyes as a backup. We'd be lucky to get a 5th for him, a 4th is asking ALOT for a guy whose a JAG. I was a HUGE supporter of Clemens before this year, and believed he could've started the season with a strong TC...but he's not a good QB. He proved it against Tampa and throughout the preseason. He'll be a Jet 1-2 more years and is going to be a career backup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 Damn I thought Shipley was faster. What was Wes Welker's 40 time? Anyone have that stat? Hook a sista up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 Clemens has little to no value except in our eyes as a backup. We'd be lucky to get a 5th for him, a 4th is asking ALOT for a guy whose a JAG. I was a HUGE supporter of Clemens before this year, and believed he could've started the season with a strong TC...but he's not a good QB. He proved it against Tampa and throughout the preseason. He'll be a Jet 1-2 more years and is going to be a career backup Clemens for a 4th rounder is better value than a rookie 4th round QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 Damn I thought Shipley was faster. What was Wes Welker's 40 time? Anyone have that stat? Hook a sista up! 4.61, and he wasn't invited to the combine (which means at the time they didn't think he's be drafted) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 28, 2010 Author Share Posted February 28, 2010 Damn I thought Shipley was faster. What was Wes Welker's 40 time? Anyone have that stat? Hook a sista up! Welker was not invited to the Combine but it is reported that he ran from 4.55-4.60's. It's hard to really determine if you want to try and compare. I'm not one to think 40's are the Holy Grail but it is what it is. It's a very important paper stat. Shipley's probably run 4.5's in his life, somewhere. But it depends who's clocking and what turf/surface they're running on. Sometimes you just have an off day. Never the less these poor times are not helping anybody. Especially when a 6'6 314 pound Bruce Campbell runs a 4.75 on the same surface under the same clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visajets Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 My choice Mardy Gilyard WR/Cincinnati. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 Welker was not invited to the Combine but it is reported that he ran from 4.55-4.60's. It's hard to really determine if you want to try and compare. I'm not one to think 40's are the Holy Grail but it is what it is. It's a very important paper stat. Shipley's probably run 4.5's in his life, somewhere. But it depends who's clocking and what turf/surface they're running on. Sometimes you just have an off day. Never the less these poor times are not helping anybody. Especially when a 6'6 314 pound Bruce Campbell runs a 4.75 on the same surface under the same clock. All true, and this just shows how the combine is close to nonsense. If I am going to get a slot WR, I want to know how fast he is for 10 and 20 yards. I know they have the #s.. I want to see those. I also am more concerned with how someone PLAYS. Shipley gets open. Is it a product of his offense or is it a product of him being very QUICK but not very FAST (like Welker)? Who knows. Look at Vernon Gholston. He was a bottom of #1, top of #2 pick. He had a great workout season (not necessarily at the combine) and bam, #6.. and we bite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 Thanks for these updates, Hess. Really shocking how slow these times are on what is a notoriously fast track. Could be one of those years where only one or two WR's go in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 4.61, and he wasn't invited to the combine (which means at the time they didn't think he's be drafted) Welker was not invited to the Combine but it is reported that he ran from 4.55-4.60's. It's hard to really determine if you want to try and compare. I'm not one to think 40's are the Holy Grail but it is what it is. It's a very important paper stat. Shipley's probably run 4.5's in his life, somewhere. But it depends who's clocking and what turf/surface they're running on. Sometimes you just have an off day. Never the less these poor times are not helping anybody. Especially when a 6'6 314 pound Bruce Campbell runs a 4.75 on the same surface under the same clock. Thanks guys. I want Shipley in the third round if he's still available. I think he can be our version of Welker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 28, 2010 Author Share Posted February 28, 2010 My choice Mardy Gilyard WR/Cincinnati. But where? He's probably dropped himself into the 3rd round. I wouldn't mind him in the 2nd. I can now see a scenerio where one of those top end WR's are there at 29 and quite possibly somewhere in the early to mid 2nd. And then look at a Gilyard or a Shipley there in the 3rd. So do they trade back, gather more picks and still come away with the guy they want. Due to some of these 40's I can see it as a strong possibility. Unless this is somehow the year that teams stop looking at 40's. These guys also have their pro-days to redeem themselves if nessesary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 demyarius thomas from gt was the guy i wanted in the second. i thought he'd be great coming from the triple option. he can block, big wr, with good hands. with a broken foot i'd he'd drop to the third, but we don't have a third so who knows. i see tate lit it up. he'll probably be out of reach for us. I'd still say cb or de for us in the first. depending who falls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 28, 2010 Author Share Posted February 28, 2010 Thanks guys. I want Shipley in the third round if he's still available. I think he can be our version of Welker. Yeah Shipley, with this 40 is most likely a day 2 pick. Where I'm not sure. Would just be guessing but Ausin Collie wasn't picked until the 4th. Similar speed, size and hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 28, 2010 Author Share Posted February 28, 2010 demyarius thomas from gt was the guy i wanted in the second. i thought he'd be great coming from the triple option. he can block, big wr, with good hands. with a broken foot i'd he'd drop to the third, but we don't have a third so who knows. i see tate lit it up. he'll probably be out of reach for us. I'd still say cb or de for us in the first. depending who falls. It's crazy b/c there are so many questions this year. My thinking is for the guys who aren't participating (Thomas, Bryant, Decker, Alexander etc) this is probably a good thing based on everyone's times. The one guys you feel like you know for sure is a 1st rounder is Golden Tate (and obviously Bryant) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 Good thing the Jets don't need a WR other than a slot receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 28, 2010 Author Share Posted February 28, 2010 Good thing the Jets don't need a WR other than a slot receiver. Thomas, Benn, Lafell and Williams would be hard to turn down however, quite possibly, they could all be sitting there at 29. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 Thomas, Benn, Lafell and Williams would be hard to turn down however, quite possibly, they could all be sitting there at 29. Cornerback. Cornerback. Defensive End. Cornerback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 28, 2010 Author Share Posted February 28, 2010 Cornerback. Cornerback. Defensive End. Cornerback. I'm very excited to see the CB's run!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 Riley Cooper and some of the others have some size on them so their 40 times are okay for their size. Maybe the times are slow this year because so many of the WRs are big. Damian Williams is only 6'1'', but I think he's still big enough to get by with that 40 time. But the Jets have no third and fourth round picks so I'm not sure if any of these players should be drafted. If these players fall they might fall into the mid rounds where the Jets don't have a pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 28, 2010 Author Share Posted February 28, 2010 Riley Cooper and some of the others have some size on them so their 40 times are okay for their size. Maybe the times are slow this year because so many of the WRs are big. Damian Williams is only 6'1'', but I think he's still big enough to get by with that 40 time. But the Jets have no third and fourth round picks so I'm not sure if any of these players should be drafted. If these players fall they might fall into the mid rounds where the Jets don't have a pick. Then how do you explain Bruce Campbell running a 4.75 at 316 lbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 Hess, do you consider McCluster as a WR in this draft or would you keep him at RB? He's a dark horse guy I like for the Jets, particularly if Leon leaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 Cornerback. Cornerback. Defensive End. Cornerback. Yep. Chances are a top CB would still be available at 29 and would be better value than any of the WRs. The same for DL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 Good thing the Jets don't need a WR other than a slot receiver. Jets need a WR, a good one. They don't have enough picks to try to pigeonhole a "slot receiver." They have Jerricho Cotchery, who can move inside in 3 WR sets. They just need to do their homework get the best WR prospect available. I'm not hung up on 40 times, but I hope these slow times push a very good receiver down to one of the Jets' first two picks. If not, I pretty much fully expect Tanny to trade a 2011 pick to either get another pick in rounds 2-4, or to trade up in one of the first two rounds. No way he sits tight, and next year's picks is his primary commodity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 Jets need a WR, a good one. They don't have enough picks to try to pigeonhole a "slot receiver." They have Jerricho Cotchery, who can move inside in 3 WR sets. They just need to do their homework get the best WR prospect available. I'm not hung up on 40 times, but I hope these slow times push a very good receiver down to one of the Jets' first two picks. If not, I pretty much fully expect Tanny to trade a 2011 pick to either get another pick in rounds 2-4, or to trade up in one of the first two rounds. No way he sits tight, and next year's picks is his primary commodity. You'd go WR even if it's a reach pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 Yep. Chances are a top CB would still be available at 29 and would be better value than any of the WRs. The same for DL. Bryant and Tate will be gone and nobody else is remotely worth it in the first round. Probably not the second either. I don't even care about the 40 times. The receiving class is just bad. Right now it looks like the value is at DL at 29 and CB at 61. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 You'd go WR even if it's a reach pick? No - BAP all the way. I'm hoping good players move down because of slow these 40 times, and become the value pick where the Jets select. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan1015 Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 Thanks guys. I want Shipley in the third round if he's still available. I think he can be our version of Welker. The Jets currently don't have a third round pick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 28, 2010 Author Share Posted February 28, 2010 Hess, do you consider McCluster as a WR in this draft or would you keep him at RB? He's a dark horse guy I like for the Jets, particularly if Leon leaves. From what I've gathered just from reading a bunch of different sites is that the guy would be used as a weapon in multiple formations. Would be seen in a lot of different positions, primarily as a slot WR and/or a 3rd down back. But Im not sure how I would feel about a 170 lb back blocking a 260lb blitzing OLB off the edge. He'd been seen kind of like a Reggie Bush in NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistalava Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 My choice Mardy Gilyard WR/Cincinnati. Despite his combine time, he won't last past the 2nd round. Solid NFL calibre slot receiver and return guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillerPaul Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Ahhh I see it's that time of year again where the ole' 40 yard dash time determines a players greatness. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Why are we even considering one of these 4.5 4.6 guys anyway? Don't we have enough of these guys already on the roster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 I hate it when everyone goes all "Al Davis" about the 40 times. If it was all about Speed then David Clowney would be a an All Pro! ANQUAN BOLDIN Class: Underclassman School: Florida St. Conference: ACC Ht., Wt.: 6'0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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