Drafting rules, and Draft-Day no-no's

[Greenseed4]

Lets see how extensive we can make this list, I'll start...

Drafting rules, and Draft-Day no-no's:

1. Don't draft a blocking TE in round 1 (Becht, Brady) or trade a first round pick for one (Jolly).

2. Don't draft a kicker in round 2...Ever.

3. Don't draft a slot reciever in the first round (I'm looking at you, Tate).

4. A good combine does not make a good player.

5. A "bowling ball with knives" is code for, "bone-on-bone knee condition".

6. RBs can run a 4.72 at the combine and go on to great success (Shonn Greene), and they can run a 4.35 at their proday and bounce around the league on practice squads (Chauncy Washington).

7. Gems can be found in later rounds, but mostly, those players are just crap.

8. Round-4 is the best round to find talent.

9. A team should acquire one new QB per offseason.

10. Quality over quantity... Don't be afraid to move up to get your guy.

[Jetsfan80]

Don't do any of this:

rZxNeFLuY98

I'll also add "no workout warriors" to the list.

[Sperm Edwards]

1. Jolley was not a blocking TE. I doubt he could block as well as David Clowney with two separated shoulders.

2. Don't draft a kicker period. Maybe in rounds 6-7 if you love a guy that much and don't need to shore up depth elsewhere.

8. It is? Well then teams should trade down from rounds 2-3 and up from round 5 if they have any brains. Doing well on a couple of players in round 4 is the result of players dropping because of the combine and good scouting (as is always the case once you look past the top of the draft). But they were available in round 3 and were passed on for lesser players. That, and most 4th rounders are garbage.

9. Only if you need one. Then again if you're so poor at drafting QB's that you need to draft one every year, you likely suck at evaluating the positiona. You should probably then scrap the idea, and instead look to free agency instead of wasting a draft pick every year on a player you give no learning-time to.

The rest is on the money.

[Falcon63]

4. A good combine does not make a good player.

So true. I hate how teams just look at numbers instead of actual on-field production.

[Jbro22]

Rules are simple, draft like we did the last 4 years not like we did the last 40 years.

[Scott Dierking]

Don't do any of this:

rZxNeFLuY98

I'll also add "no workout warriors" to the list.

Why was Freeman McNeil on that list?

The Lageman pick, in hindsight was not a bad pick at all. The only question was, could they have moved down and taken him later?

The Jets were never going to take Dan Marino, even if he was sitting there in the third round. There were questions and rumors to some of Dan's activities at Pitt, and the Jets did not touch those types of players. As well, the Jets were very leery of QB's with knee injuries. The Jet training staff was one of the most discerning.

[Jets Babe]

Umm, the Jets didn't trade for Jolley for a 1st round pick. They traded a 1st round pick and got Jolley, a 2nd round pick, and 2 6th round picks.

[rollingrock49]

Don't do any of this:

rZxNeFLuY98

I'll also add "no workout warriors" to the list.

Haha I love that video. Best part is when the commish says the word "fullback" for one of our picks and immediately some guy screams OH NOOOO. Ug kyle brady.

[Jets Babe]

Haha I love that video. Best part is when the commish says the word "fullback" for one of our picks and immediately some guy screams OH NOOOO. Ug kyle brady.

That guy who screams "OH NO!!!" is actually Bernie, aka the poster sackdance. You know, the religious freak and sports marketing agent? Just kidding, Bern.

[rick34125]

10. Quality over quantity... Don't be afraid to move up to get your guy.

any team that's drafting players without confidence in their choices needs a new draft team.

[Jets Babe]

Lets see how extensive we can make this list, I'll start...

Drafting rules, and Draft-Day no-no's:

1. Don't draft a blocking TE in round 1 (Becht, Brady) or trade a first round pick for one (Jolly).

2. Don't draft a kicker in round 2...Ever.

3. Don't draft a slot reciever in the first round (I'm looking at you, Tate).

4. A good combine does not make a good player.

5. A "bowling ball with knives" is code for, "bone-on-bone knee condition".

6. RBs can run a 4.72 at the combine and go on to great success (Shonn Greene), and they can run a 4.35 at their proday and bounce around the league on practice squads (Chauncy Washington).

7. Gems can be found in later rounds, but mostly, those players are just crap.

8. Round-4 is the best round to find talent.

9. A team should acquire one new QB per offseason.

10. Quality over quantity... Don't be afraid to move up to get your guy.

And hell yes on #10. If anything, make that #1. In the past few years, the Jets traded up to get Darelle Revis, David Harris, Mark Sanchez, and Shonn Greene. How's that turning out for us?

[abyzmul]

I could have sworn that we drafted Dustin Keller in the first round. But, then, I smoked a forest full of weed in 2008, so I could be mistaken.

Edit: ahhh, blocking TE. Maybe I need to find more weed.

[Sperm Edwards]

And hell yes on #10. If anything, make that #1. In the past few years, the Jets traded up to get Darelle Revis, David Harris, Mark Sanchez, and Shonn Greene. How's that turning out for us?

...and they also traded up, using two #1's and a #4, for quality-over-quantity Dewayne Robertson. They also chose not to trade down for more picks, instead opting to use the #6 pick on Vernon Gholston, quality over quantity over the picks they would have acquired.

It works both ways, and when you whiff on what you thought was quality over quantity it's far worse. If they move up at all this year, hopefully it's more of the types you listed and less of the types I listed.

[Jets Babe]

...and they also traded up, using two #1's and a #4, for quality-over-quantity Dewayne Robertson. They also chose not to trade down for more picks, instead opting to use the #6 pick on Vernon Gholston, quality over quantity over the picks they would have acquired.

It works both ways, and when you whiff on what you thought was quality over quantity it's far worse. If they move up at all this year, hopefully it's more of the types you listed and less of the types I listed.

I said the "past few years", D-Rob was selected in 2003. Different GM, different drafter.

And the Jets couldn't find a trade down suitor in 2008. They picked Gholston because it was a position need.

I trust Tannenbaum 100% with trading up. He really hasn't failed.

[neckdemon]

Don't do any of this:

rZxNeFLuY98

I'll also add "no workout warriors" to the list.

this video makes me laugh.....no wonder we were considered a joke for so long

[Klecko73isGod]

this video makes me laugh.....no wonder we were considered a joke for so long

That video is ridiculous. You can make a similar one for pretty much every NFL team. The only difference is our fans have been going to the draft from day one and traditionally have one of the largest contingents.

[neckdemon]

That video is ridiculous. You can make a similar one for pretty much every NFL team. The only difference is our fans have been going to the draft from day one and traditionally have one of the largest contingents.

come on....i know that ever team makes draft mistakes but the jets were just so bad at drafting for so long. and add to the fact that we are one of the most unsuccessful franchises in the nfl and you see that we were a joke. even as recently as having hired mangini......this team has sucked out loud for a while.

[Klecko73isGod]

come on....i know that ever team makes draft mistakes but the jets were just so bad at drafting for so long. and add to the fact that we are one of the most unsuccessful franchises in the nfl and you see that we were a joke. even as recently as having hired mangini......this team has sucked out loud for a while.

Go look at the Cowboys drafts from the end of the Jimmy Johnson era until Bill Parcells.

Go look at the Pats drafts for their first 30 years of existence.

Go look at Cleveland's drafts since 1964.

The Saints through most of their history (remember, this was an organization that started in 1966 and didn't get to a Conference Championship game until 3 or 4 years ago.)

I could keep going but we'd be here for days.

[RutgersJetFan]

Rule 1A. Learn Matt Millen's drafting philosophy, and do the exact opposite of that.

[Klecko73isGod]

Rule 1A. Learn Matt Millen's drafting philosophy, and do the exact opposite of that.

Wasn't Matt Millen's draft philosophy to take a WR in the top 10 picks of the draft every year?

[slats]

I said the "past few years", D-Rob was selected in 2003. Different GM, different drafter.

And the Jets couldn't find a trade down suitor in 2008. They picked Gholston because it was a position need.

I trust Tannenbaum 100% with trading up. He really hasn't failed.

I hear you, but this is not a year for trading up. This is a draft thick with talent, and the smart GM should be looking to shore up all the depth he can in this one. Should be able to find starters thru the first three or four rounds.

This would be the perfect year to trade out of the first round, and collect a couple picks in return. And extra 2nd and/or 3rd round pick could be golden.

[Scott Dierking]

Go look at the Cowboys drafts from the end of the Jimmy Johnson era until Bill Parcells.

Go look at the Pats drafts for their first 30 years of existence.

Go look at Cleveland's drafts since 1964.

The Saints through most of their history (remember, this was an organization that started in 1966 and didn't get to a Conference Championship game until 3 or 4 years ago.)

I could keep going but we'd be here for days.

The Kyle Brady pick was not that far fetched either. You know who wanted him badly-Belichick with Cleveland. Brady was a very productive player for many years in this league.

The Lam Jones trade hurt. Going with 2 first round picks to pick him, and then have the career that he had-that was a tough one.

The 77, 78, 79 drafts were excellent. The Jets faltered late in the 80's and then with some of the Steinberg drafts. The 2000 haul of with 4 first rounders were very good picks with very productive players

[#27TheDominator]

I hear you, but this is not a year for trading up. This is a draft thick with talent, and the smart GM should be looking to shore up all the depth he can in this one. Should be able to find starters thru the first three or four rounds.

This would be the perfect year to trade out of the first round, and collect a couple picks in return. And extra 2nd and/or 3rd round pick could be golden.

+1

Every draft is different. Some are stronger and you want more picks, some have a lot of talent right at the top or at certain positions. A smart draft team will take that into consideration when they make moves.

[Greenseed4]

1. Jolley was not a blocking TE. I doubt he could block as well as David Clowney with two separated shoulders.

2. Don't draft a kicker period. Maybe in rounds 6-7 if you love a guy that much and don't need to shore up depth elsewhere.

8. It is? Well then teams should trade down from rounds 2-3 and up from round 5 if they have any brains. Doing well on a couple of players in round 4 is the result of players dropping because of the combine and good scouting (as is always the case once you look past the top of the draft). But they were available in round 3 and were passed on for lesser players. That, and most 4th rounders are garbage.

Spermy, of the ten, this one was the "funny" one. I shoulda tossed an emoticon into the mix. By no means do I really think the 4th round is the only round to find talent in. Sheesh.

9. Only if you need one. Then again if you're so poor at drafting QB's that you need to draft one every year, you likely suck at evaluating the positiona. You should probably then scrap the idea, and instead look to free agency instead of wasting a draft pick every year on a player you give no learning-time to.

I didn't develop this theory, some hot-shot GM (whose name conveniently escapes me) came up with it. His logic is: (1) given the importance of the position, it is neccessary to have a quality backup QB, (2) Learning the complexities of an NFL offense (ususally) takes time holding a clipboard, and (3) highly rated back-ups can carry trade value. (i.e., Kolb, Shaub, Cassel... just to name a few recent examples) so you get a return on your investment.

The rest is on the money.

Umm, the Jets didn't trade for Jolley for a 1st round pick. They traded a 1st round pick and got Jolley, a 2nd round pick, and 2 6th round picks.

I know, I know, and we actually tossed them back a 7th round pick to boot, but the trade still leaves a bad taste in my mouth and feels like a horrible use of a first round pick.... That and turning in our first selection (in the second round) with Mike Nugent's name on it. ughh.

[Sperm Edwards]

I said the "past few years", D-Rob was selected in 2003. Different GM, different drafter.

And the Jets couldn't find a trade down suitor in 2008. They picked Gholston because it was a position need.

I trust Tannenbaum 100% with trading up. He really hasn't failed.

I remember hearing that spin at the time. Gholston was thought to be the last of the 6 blue-chip prospects available. Then AFTER we took him, after all the draft day blue-chip prospects were gone, New England was then able to trade down from the very next pick. Summary: the nonsense about no one to trade down with was just that: nonsense. Mangini or Tannenbaum or both simply wanted Gholston.

Hopefully he is just a late bloomer. Not looking good so far.

[Ace21Black]

I remember hearing that spin at the time. Gholston was thought to be the last of the 6 blue-chip prospects available. Then AFTER we took him, after all the draft day blue-chip prospects were gone, New England was then able to trade down from the very next pick. Summary: the nonsense about no one to trade down with was just that: nonsense. Mangini or Tannenbaum or both simply wanted Gholston.

Hopefully he is just a late bloomer. Not looking good so far.

I blame Gholston on Mangini...He wanted him bad, then was down on him mid-way through Mangini's last year...

Just read the piece below...

Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:00 am EST

New York Jets blaming former coach Mangini for bust Gholston

By Mark J. Miller

The New York Jets took linebacker Vernon Gholston(notes) with the sixth pick of the 2008 draft and word is coming out now that there were a bunch of folks on the team who didn't want to select him, according to the New York Daily News. And that feeling of discontent over the pick is growing since the 23-year-old Gholston has now had 24 games of experience in the NFL and hasn't had one crummy sack. That makes sense, of course, because he's barely getting any playing time right about now.

It turns out that the main reason Gholston was drafted was because of the extra enthusiasm then-coach Erik Mangini felt for Gholston: "That one's on Eric," one source told the Daily News.

Source: New York Daily News<IMG alt="New Window" width=12 height=12>

Besides Gholston, and maybe Sheppard, he gave up a late pick...Favre, he had to make that move...Besides those two moves, I can't think of anything he has done that has been SO BAD...

[Sperm Edwards]

I blame Gholston on Mangini...He wanted him bad, then was down on him mid-way through Mangini's last year...

Just read the piece below...

Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:00 am EST

New York Jets blaming former coach Mangini for bust Gholston

By Mark J. Miller

The New York Jets took linebacker Vernon Gholston(notes) with the sixth pick of the 2008 draft and word is coming out now that there were a bunch of folks on the team who didn't want to select him, according to the New York Daily News. And that feeling of discontent over the pick is growing since the 23-year-old Gholston has now had 24 games of experience in the NFL and hasn't had one crummy sack. That makes sense, of course, because he's barely getting any playing time right about now.

It turns out that the main reason Gholston was drafted was because of the extra enthusiasm then-coach Erik Mangini felt for Gholston: "That one's on Eric," one source told the Daily News.

Source: New York Daily News<IMG alt="New Window" width=12 height=12>

Besides Gholston, and maybe Sheppard, he gave up a late pick...Favre, he had to make that move...Besides those two moves, I can't think of anything he has done that has been SO BAD...

It wouldn't surprise me, as NE was putting out feelers that they wanted him and Mangini at times seemed obsessed with his former boss and team. But it's easy and convenient for the team to say this after the fact. One thing that would lend credibility to the story is that Mangini never refuted it. But then he doesn't talk much so no one really knows except the involved parties themselves.

[Ace21Black]

It wouldn't surprise me, as NE was putting out feelers that they wanted him and Mangini at times seemed obsessed with his former boss and team. But it's easy and convenient for the team to say this after the fact. One thing that would lend credibility to the story is that Mangini never refuted it. But then he doesn't talk much so no one really knows except the involved parties themselves.

Exactly...remember the Favre injury fiasco(not the same level), he didnt refute that either...He made a comment about it when asked...Came clean...So I feel the same about this...I blame him, not Tanny...

[abyzmul]

I blame Gholston on Mangini...He wanted him bad, then was down on him mid-way through Mangini's last year...

Just read the piece below...

Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:00 am EST

New York Jets blaming former coach Mangini for bust Gholston

By Mark J. Miller

The New York Jets took linebacker Vernon Gholston(notes) with the sixth pick of the 2008 draft and word is coming out now that there were a bunch of folks on the team who didn't want to select him, according to the New York Daily News. And that feeling of discontent over the pick is growing since the 23-year-old Gholston has now had 24 games of experience in the NFL and hasn't had one crummy sack. That makes sense, of course, because he's barely getting any playing time right about now.

It turns out that the main reason Gholston was drafted was because of the extra enthusiasm then-coach Erik Mangini felt for Gholston: "That one's on Eric," one source told the Daily News.

Source: New York Daily News<IMG alt="New Window" width=12 height=12>

Besides Gholston, and maybe Sheppard, he gave up a late pick...Favre, he had to make that move...Besides those two moves, I can't think of anything he has done that has been SO BAD...

Pretty sure that was reported by Cimini of the Daily News, king of the Anonymous quote. It came from a 'team source', I believe. I think they also blamed the Boar Hunter on Mangini in the same article.

As much as I want to believe that those 2 terrible picks were the sole fault of Mangini, it's just way too convenient. They don't give him a single bit of credit for any of the good picks. That reeks of scapegoating.

[Sperm Edwards]

Pretty sure that was reported by Cimini of the Daily News, king of the Anonymous quote. It came from a 'team source', I believe. I think they also blamed the Boar Hunter on Mangini in the same article.

As much as I want to believe that those 2 terrible picks were the sole fault of Mangini, it's just way too convenient. They don't give him a single bit of credit for any of the good picks. That reeks of scapegoating.

Pretty much what I meant. I don't doubt that it's true, but I'll bet he was also the one who wanted Revis the most.