Mr.Revis Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Someone jus please jus look at this video of Jared Odrick. How is this first round talent??? He gets overpowered by linemen way too many times. Carlos Dunlap on the other controls the line of scrimmage. The freakin video of dunlap's highlights got deleted. Anyways, I dont give a rats behind about a stinkin DUI. It is very hard for a 3-4 de to become a bust. I cant even think of one who is a 3-4 de bust. It just dosent happen. Carlos Dunlap>>>>>>>Jared Odrick looking at the title of this thread i forgot to mention suh and mcoy but of course they wont be there at #29. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Agreed on Odrick...suspect if we draft a 3-4 DE it occurs in the second round or later... Hope we draft at least one from the list below: Lamarr Houston Linval Joseph Alex Carrington Arthur Jones Vince Oghobaas Clifton Geathers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Revis Posted March 28, 2010 Author Share Posted March 28, 2010 Agreed on Odrick...suspect if we draft a 3-4 DE it occurs in the second round or later... Hope we draft at least one from the list below: Lamarr Houston Linval Joseph Alex Carrington Arthur Jones Vince Oghobaas Clifton Geathers yeah any of these would be good, my fav being houston and jones in the second. But its seems people get angry when there's talk about getting a slot receiver in the first round. When you really think about it we dont have any real immediate needs besides a consistent pass rushing linebacker and we would need to trade up to the cream of the crop or else we would have to settle for another probable bust-Jerry Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Well, if there's only one legit 3-4 De in the first round and if he's taken then I'd say we have a damned easy road ahead of us in this draft. Get a solid WR or CB in round 1, round 2 DE, round 3-7 BAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Terrence Cody could play DE for a couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 i have dunlap at 29 to the Jets in my latest mock he could be long gone by then but he's the closest thing to Shawn Ellis in this draft besides Suh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Terrence Cody could play DE for a couple years. Not a chance. Jenkins and/or Pouha kick out. Lateral agility isn't the most important thing in the world for a 30 end, but what little the position requires Cody ain't got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 i have dunlap at 29 to the Jets in my latest mock he could be long gone by then but he's the closest thing to Shawn Ellis in this draft besides Suh. Closest thing to Ellis in this draft is Alex Carrington. I dunno if Dunlap even has a position in our defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bx Jet Fan Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Just lookin for a highlight reel of Cody and came across an interview where he says he has asthma. First I heard of this. No highlights. About the 1:33 mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Not a chance. Jenkins and/or Pouha kick out. Lateral agility isn't the most important thing in the world for a 30 end, but what little the position requires Cody ain't got. Meh...I'm just looking for a big guy to eat up blockers and seal the edge. He's not prototypical, but I think he can do it. He's a way better athlete than the athlete he's portrayed as on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Closest thing to Ellis in this draft is Alex Carrington. I dunno if Dunlap even has a position in our defense. Carrington is a legit 5-tech... at 2nd round prices... so maybe that's true... hes a great player in his own right but there are all sorts of crazy positions in rex's defense... rovers and tweeners are more welcome than in parcells or mangini 3-4 dunlap's truest position is 4-3 LDE but he's got elite "top 5" type of skills...Mario williams is another comparison... carrington isn't a pass rusher like ellis or even dunlap... they could do alot worse with a 29 pick... everson griffen also has had a terrific offseason and he isn't in half of the mocks first rounds... another guy to watch... they dont really need a 5 tech they need a pass rusher on 3rd downs... whoever that may be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Carlos Dunlap is not on Mario Williams' level. He's actually somewhat like Ellis was as a prospect. Stout DE who'd play LDE in a 4-3 with a big frame. Throw 15-20 pounds on him and he's a way better version of what you think Pito is. Carrington's an Ellis clone too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 Closest thing to Ellis in this draft is Alex Carrington. I dunno if Dunlap even has a position in our defense. I don't even know if the hybrid we saw this past season is the same we'll be seeing a year or two from now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 Carrington is a legit 5-tech... at 2nd round prices... so maybe that's true... hes a great player in his own right but there are all sorts of crazy positions in rex's defense... rovers and tweeners are more welcome than in parcells or mangini 3-4 dunlap's truest position is 4-3 LDE but he's got elite "top 5" type of skills...Mario williams is another comparison... carrington isn't a pass rusher like ellis or even dunlap... they could do alot worse with a 29 pick... everson griffen also has had a terrific offseason and he isn't in half of the mocks first rounds... another guy to watch... they dont really need a 5 tech they need a pass rusher on 3rd downs... whoever that may be... I know that Rex's scheme is adaptable to the talent and we wouldn't actually pass on quality because a guy because he'd be considered a square peg for certain packages. It's just that we're talking prototypes here and I don't really remember a player similar to Dunlap who's been featured in this system basically since McCrary, while the comparisons between Carrington and 2-way ends like Ellis, Pryce, et al. are pretty obvious. I like Dunlap and Griffen at 29 but I think they'll both be gone, and I don't agree that the need for a pass rusher is as great as the need for a 5-tech. Pace, Thomas, Gholston, and Westerman can man the weak side on third down, and we really only have Ellis across from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 Dunlap has about 20 career sacks in the SEC, Carrington has about 10 in the sun belt... carrington probably can't rush the passer on the NFL level... he's a good player but basically has a bull rush and that's about it. Dunlap isn't exactly full of moves but he has better skills and production. Devito has proven he can be a starting player. Pito has shown flashes of starting... they have 5 tech guys who they can develop. It's not as dire of a need as we think... to replace Ellis, who is the DT on pass downs they need a pass rusher... also note Pace is 30, Thomas is 31 neither are spring chickens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 Pito is not starting for anyone anytime soon, and Pace has at least 3-4 years left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Revis Posted April 1, 2010 Author Share Posted April 1, 2010 Pito is not starting for anyone anytime soon, and Pace has at least 3-4 years left. Yeah, but pace isnt a superior pass rushing linebacker in the mold of what the average 3-4 team has nowadays, (harrison, steelers) (ware, cowboys.) And bryan thomas? Come on, if a 3-4 de (shaun ellis) gets more sacks in a season then a 3-4 outside linebacker, then thats when you know something is extremely wrong. And please stop with the terrance cody stuff. Are you related to him or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 Pace isn't an elite 3-4 OLB, but he's in a top tier, and he's been getting better. Come on, if a 3-4 de (shaun ellis) gets more sacks in a season then a 3-4 outside linebacker, then thats when you know something is extremely wrong. Wrong? Not really. Pryce outsacked Suggs in '06 and against last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Revis Posted April 1, 2010 Author Share Posted April 1, 2010 Pace isn't an elite 3-4 OLB, but he's in a top tier, and he's been getting better. Wrong? Not really. Pryce outsacked Suggs in '06 and against last year. holy crap i jus looked up da stats, pryce is a freakin beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Vader Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 this is a nice thread. i just drafted dunlap at 32 for New O on JI. I was wearing a joker mask on the way to the podium. he'd be awesome in gregg williams scheme that said, Rex would be another coach that could squeeze the cream outta him even at that tho, we simply dont need to draft a Carlos D in the first frame when you got Mike DefrickinVito on the roster UDFA outta Maine. Dunlap needs work to be 34 DE draft a NT, CB, WR, OL, rush specialist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 if ya look at the types of players they've been bringing in like cro and edwards the Jets have become a team where top notch talent players come to rehab their bad boy reputations. this isn't the mangini Jets anymore where the guy had to be a captain of his team and an eagle scout before they draft him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 if ya look at the types of players they've been bringing in like cro and edwards the Jets have become a team where top notch talent players come to rehab their bad boy reputations. this isn't the mangini Jets anymore where the guy had to be a captain of his team and an eagle scout before they draft him I think in many it works is because of the Boy Scouts Mangini brought in...the locker room is filled with many talented professionals so the impact of adding talented characters works...the key is ensuring the right balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Revis Posted April 2, 2010 Author Share Posted April 2, 2010 this is a nice thread. i just drafted dunlap at 32 for New O on JI. I was wearing a joker mask on the way to the podium. he'd be awesome in gregg williams scheme that said, Rex would be another coach that could squeeze the cream outta him even at that tho, we simply dont need to draft a Carlos D in the first frame when you got Mike DefrickinVito on the roster UDFA outta Maine. Dunlap needs work to be 34 DE draft a NT, CB, WR, OL, rush specialist Nt- terrance "fat ass" cody no thanks, CB- this is where it becomes hard because it is a chance that kyle wilson or another top tier cb will be there but with the aquistion of cromartie we shouldnt be picking one in the first. wr- tate, thomas, williams yeah ill be more than happy, OL-not an immediate need for a first round pick. I just thank god were not the steelers. They need major help in every single category except for QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 I think in many it works is because of the Boy Scouts Mangini brought in...the locker room is filled with many talented professionals so the impact of adding talented characters works...the key is ensuring the right balance. Exaaaaactly. Also, Jenkins was the first of the "we can save you(!)" guys. Jenkins was picked up under... The Jets had alot of guys who really wanted to make this franchise a name, and that allows them to feel comfortable going after guys like Cromartie to shine here. Plus, alot of those guys aren't as ridiculous as they're written to be in the NFL Show. They'll make Cromartie carry and wear condoms if that what it (probably) comes down to. They'll show him the movie they made in "The Girl Next Door" (good movie btw) and he might even learn to put it on himself (to be sure she doesn't toss it or something). Is Pac Man Jones next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 This coaching staff values hard working players more then anything. I think they will look for players in that mold. If Dunlap or anyone else comes across that quality then he will be taken if available. Right now we need a DE. It'd be nice to have a another good wr with Edwards only having a one year contract. Another cb would be nice, just in case cro doesn't work out. OL would be a pre-emptive strike for a year or two down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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