Falcon63 Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 As some of you who previously knew me () already know, I love to lift weights. I was on Youtube today checking out some videos, and I was wondering if any of you weightlifters thinks it's "cheating" if you arch your back and your ass is a foot off the bench? I personally don't like doing that, and I feel it's cheating, but I want to know if it is acceptable and if it is, does it give you more power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 Yes it's cheating, yes it gives you more power because you're redistributing a lot of the energy to your legs, and it's a damn good way to ensure you'll have back problems at a much younger age than you probably should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC36 Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 it is against any rules for any lifting competitions to raise either your back, shoulders, ass or feet during the lift. but its just good form not too when lifting not in competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon63 Posted April 27, 2010 Author Share Posted April 27, 2010 Good, I thought I was crazy. You know what else grinds my gears? When people have very wide grips and they only do like half reps of heavy weight to try and look strong. Question: What TV reference did I make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC36 Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 Good, I thought I was crazy. You know what else grinds my gears? When people have very wide grips and they only do like half reps of heavy weight to try and look strong. Question: What TV reference did I make? Peter from family guy with his Grinds my gears segments on the news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 As some of you who previously knew me () already know, I love to lift weights. I was on Youtube today checking out some videos, and I was wondering if any of you weightlifters thinks it's "cheating" if you arch your back and your ass is a foot off the bench? I personally don't like doing that, and I feel it's cheating, but I want to know if it is acceptable and if it is, does it give you more power? HELL YES BOY !! One for thing you'd be disqualified instantly from any weight lifting comp. PLUS your lible to destroy your back and NEVER lift ( or play football) again. RULE #1 NEVER sacrifice form for weight. I've already told you this in a previous thread you started . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon63 Posted April 27, 2010 Author Share Posted April 27, 2010 Yeah, I don't do it. I thought it was against the rules as well, but one of my friends does it in competitions, and he never gets disqualified. I'm curious to see if they'll allow it in States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 Yeah, I don't do it. I thought it was against the rules as well, but one of my friends does it in competitions, and he never gets disqualified. I'm curious to see if they'll allow it in States. My guess would be no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 As a casual gym goer, I've never seen that done before. But by the way you described it, it sounds painful. Like was already said, I rather go for form than weight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryK Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 It might be that the angle allows you to use your lats a little more...similar to dips. I know I can dip a tad more weight than I can bench. (but I have zero muscle...a guy who lifts a lot might be able to do both) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 As a casual gym goer, I've never seen that done before. But by the way you described it, it sounds painful. Like was already said, I rather go for form than weight... Back in the 80's we had a guy at our gym named Randy who ALWAYS lifted his butt off the bench and arched his back like mad. We knew it was only a matter of time. Sure enough we had a small competition in the gym. Randy got DQ'd on his first 2 attempts. On the 3rd he ADDED even more weight. The paramedics took him out strapped to a board . I'll never for get his screaming as his back blew out. Life lesson there guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 It might be that the angle allows you to use your lats a little more...similar to dips. It brings your lats into the motion more than it normally should, but the thinking in the position is that it transfers the power to your legs, which obviously can lift more. That's really the whole point of doing it, you push your upper back into the bench but you do so using your legs. The problem with all of this is that the 'bridge' from your legs to your lats is your lower back when you're doing this, which you've now put in the position to be in an extremely overstressed position supporting way too much weight than it's built to handle. No motion, not squats or deadlifts even, puts your lower back in that much of an arch, not to mention that it's impossible to give it any real support, meaning one slight slip and you're done for. It's absolutely terrible for you, there's really no benefit to doing it other than being able to put up more weight, which is pointless because you wouldn't be able to do it in a competition anyways. Do this enough and you will have back problems from it. No ifs, ands, or buts. Nobody's back is genetically built to indefinitely bench heavy amounts of weight in that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 I'm curious to see if they'll allow it in States. Not a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon63 Posted April 28, 2010 Author Share Posted April 28, 2010 I'm surprised he even made it past Districts, though. Also, today I hit 225 10 times on squat! Doesn't sound like a lot, but I'm coming off of a torn ACL/MCL in October, and I didn't even think I'd be able to hit it once. Also, killed it on power cleans today and the UCF recruiter was standing right in front of me. Not sure if he saw me, but I definitely have my most intensity when I do cleans and push presses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 That just sounds bad. Personally, I think benching is overrated. Push ups destroy it as an exercise. Also, dips are the most pointless exercise ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 I'm surprised he even made it past Districts, though. Also, today I hit 225 10 times on squat! Doesn't sound like a lot, but I'm coming off of a torn ACL/MCL in October, and I didn't even think I'd be able to hit it once. Also, killed it on power cleans today and the UCF recruiter was standing right in front of me. Not sure if he saw me, but I definitely have my most intensity when I do cleans and push presses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 It brings your lats into the motion more than it normally should, but the thinking in the position is that it transfers the power to your legs, which obviously can lift more. That's really the whole point of doing it, you push your upper back into the bench but you do so using your legs. The problem with all of this is that the 'bridge' from your legs to your lats is your lower back when you're doing this, which you've now put in the position to be in an extremely overstressed position supporting way too much weight than it's built to handle. No motion, not squats or deadlifts even, puts your lower back in that much of an arch, not to mention that it's impossible to give it any real support, meaning one slight slip and you're done for. It's absolutely terrible for you, there's really no benefit to doing it other than being able to put up more weight, which is pointless because you wouldn't be able to do it in a competition anyways. Do this enough and you will have back problems from it. No ifs, ands, or buts. Nobody's back is genetically built to indefinitely bench heavy amounts of weight in that position. Couldn't agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon63 Posted April 29, 2010 Author Share Posted April 29, 2010 That just sounds bad. Personally, I think benching is overrated. Push ups destroy it as an exercise. Also, dips are the most pointless exercise ever. Not if you do them right. They really help your triceps A LOT. IF you do them right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Not if you do them right. They really help your triceps A LOT. IF you do them right. I see a ton of guys doing dips at Gold's . I stay away from them because of my advanced age and lack of decent health care coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon63 Posted April 30, 2010 Author Share Posted April 30, 2010 Oh, that's makes sense. Just if you ever do them, make sure not to go too low or it'll kill your shoulders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon63 Posted April 30, 2010 Author Share Posted April 30, 2010 Also, this isn't a weightlifting question, but still: I have my spring football game coming up towards the end of my Junior year. We're playing a team that we haven't played before, so intimidation will be a huge factor. Should I paint my face like the joker, or just do the beast raccoon eyes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Also, this isn't a weightlifting question, but still: I have my spring football game coming up towards the end of my Junior year. We're playing a team that we haven't played before, so intimidation will be a huge factor. Should I paint my face like the joker, or just do the beast raccoon eyes? I've never been intimidated by an opponent's face. The only things that can intimidate me are size, speed and being hit really ****ing hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon63 Posted April 30, 2010 Author Share Posted April 30, 2010 I've never been intimidated by an opponent's face. The only things that can intimidate me are size, speed and being hit really ****ing hard. Well I got decent size, but the raccoon eyes look pretty intimidating to me. I wanna do it like Matt Slauson does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 I've never been intimidated by an opponent's face. The only things that can intimidate me are size, speed and being hit really ****ing hard. Solid advice Dom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Well I got decent size, but the raccoon eyes look pretty intimidating to me. I wanna do it like Matt Slauson does it. Be yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
war ensemble Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Also, this isn't a weightlifting question, but still: I have my spring football game coming up towards the end of my Junior year. We're playing a team that we haven't played before, so intimidation will be a huge factor. Should I paint my face like the joker, or just do the beast raccoon eyes? I have a feeling the joker would just look silly--and I think the raccoon eyes worked so well for Slauson because he's naturally intimidating. I'd prefer the blue/white long hair combo of Braveheart. And walk out playing the pipes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 If you need face paint to be intimidating, you're not doing it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon63 Posted May 1, 2010 Author Share Posted May 1, 2010 If you need face paint to be intimidating, you're not doing it right. I don't, but I got that kind of mentality to go with it. It suits me best to go out there and crack some heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 I don't, but I got that kind of mentality to go with it. It suits me best to go out there and crack some heads. If it makes you feel better about busting heads then do it. Do it for yourself. If I saw a guy all painted up like that I'd be more likely to start joking around with him. I used to spend a lot of time on my uniform. Taping up the sleeves so they were tight and taping my black shoes so only the toes showed and it looked like I had little feet (like Al Toon). It made me look and feel fast. Sometimes when we were both back the other team would stupidly kick it to our return man thinking that I was a speedster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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