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hey guess what guys you can't fire everyone from the GM down to the Flag Boys in a year where the franchise QB and his backup get knocked out in the same game. It's not kosher.

Chad was never a realistic option this season.

It was obvious that he wasn't ready to play and needed a substantiality longer amount of time to complete his rehab.

The FO/CS went into this season with one QB, Jay, and unfortunalety he was injured.

Yeah, we should let these guys slide again. Hey it's only been five years - let's give them another five years to see if they can turn this around.

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hey guess what guys you can't fire everyone from the GM down to the Flag Boys in a year where the franchise QB and his backup get knocked out in the same game. It's not kosher.

What you can do, is bring in a new GM (and there is a lot of evidence to do that) and allow him to pick and choose who he wants to keep and who to shed.

1). What has Bradway done to be retained?

2). Do you trust Bradway to bring in the right guy?

Answer these as a Jet Fan and not a Herm Hater and that can lead you in the direction teh org. should take.

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What you can do, is bring in a new GM (and there is a lot of evidence to do that) and allow him to pick and choose who he wants to keep and who to shed.

1). What has Bradway done to be retained?

2). Do you trust Bradway to bring in the right guy?

Answer these as a Jet Fan and not a Herm Hater and that can lead you in the direction teh org. should take.

i like your posts generally, but man, you do come off as arrogant sometimes...just a hint,,, u sound like you are startin your sentences with 'listen grasshopper'

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The Jets are like a stock that keeps steadily losing, or a bad run in a casino. Bit's prespective is just wrong. It's the same thing-there comes a point when you're throwing good money after bad, and you just have to cut your losses and get out. Plus, we're at the point now that even Edwards seems like it's all rote and rehearsed, like he's done with this. 5 years in, we're no closer. And if this regime is responsible for the Pennington and Martin contracts that Bit so often reminds us are albatrosses around the cap necks of the jets, newcomers at GM and HC would be less beholden to keep feeding this stupidity. Somebody has to pay a price for this debacle.

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Somebody has to pay a price for this debacle.

somebody is paying a price - the fans.

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yes I agree this is messed up but at a certain point you need some luck to win in the NFL. Where would the Bengals be if they lost Palmer and Kitna in the same game? Where would the Bills be if they lost Losman and Holcomb? Up s--t's creek that's where.

This is painful but entirely expected. And i'm not sure that firing everyone will help matters.

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somebody is paying a price - the fans.

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yes I agree this is messed up but at a certain point you need some luck to win in the NFL. Where would the Bengals be if they lost Palmer and Kitna in the same game? Where would the Bills be if they lost Losman and Holcomb? Up s--t's creek that's where.

This is painful but entirely expected. And i'm not sure that firing everyone will help matters.

Bit, remember towards the end of the 2003 season, the heat was turned up on Cottrell, and he said "you see what I have to work with".

They fired him anyway? Remember that?

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Bradway has done alot of great things here, particularly the draft

Dewayne Robertson

Jonathan Vilma

Erik Coleman

Adrian Jones

Kerry Rhodes

David Barrett

Justin McCareins

Ty Law

Eric Barton in FA

Problem is, he really overpaid for David Barrett and Justin McCareins. But finding 2 starters at safety in day 2 in a span of 2 drafts is pretty damn amazing.

Bradway does not value the Oline, and it has cost him big time not drafting any lineman in the draft this past year and only Jones and Cavka before.

Now, did Bradway do the Chrebet and Martin deals? Those are really hurting this team now.

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Chad was never a realistic option this season.

It was obvious that he wasn't ready to play and needed a substantiality longer amount of time to complete his rehab.

The FO/CS went into this season with one QB, Jay, and unfortunalety he was injured.

Yeah, we should let these guys slide again. Hey it's only been five years - let's give them another five years to see if they can turn this around.

5 years - 1 losing season - 3 trips to the playoffs

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Bradway has done alot of great things here, particularly the draft

Dewayne Robertson

Jonathan Vilma

Erik Coleman

Adrian Jones

Kerry Rhodes

David Barrett

Justin McCareins

Ty Law

Eric Barton in FA

Problem is, he really overpaid for David Barrett and Justin McCareins. But finding 2 starters at safety in day 2 in a span of 2 drafts is pretty damn amazing.

Bradway does not value the Oline, and it has cost him big time not drafting any lineman in the draft this past year and only Jones and Cavka before.

Now, did Bradway do the Chrebet and Martin deals? Those are really hurting this team now.

I think Bradway has done a pretty good job in retooling this team, making it younger, whiling keeping the core together.

I can understand his stance with the OL, because historically, good linemen could be nabbed in late rounds or via free agency. Brandon Moore was a converted DT, and he swiped Kendall right before the start of last season.

The only position which teams usually pour money into is the lT position, and he messed up by trying to go another season with Fabini. He is broken down, old, slow and cost us our season by getting blown up and allowing our qbs to get killed.

Bradway, or the new GM needs to use this year's pick on Ferguson, Winston, or a franchise type LT. It was bad planning to give Chad a $64 million dollar deal, have him play, while still not 100%, and have him protected by a bum. It made no sense. Then again, what were his options? Jones, a green first year starter?

We didn't stand a chance this season.....

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I think Bradway has done a pretty good job in retooling this team, making it younger, whiling keeping the core together.

I can understand his stance with the OL, because historically, good linemen could be nabbed in late rounds or via free agency. Brandon Moore was a converted DT, and he swiped Kendall right before the start of last season.

The only position which teams usually pour money into is the lT position, and he messed up by trying to go another season with Fabini. He is broken down, old, slow and cost us our season by getting blown up and allowing our qbs to get killed.

Bradway, or the new GM needs to use this year's pick on Ferguson, Winston, or a franchise type LT. It was bad planning to give Chad a $64 million dollar deal, have him play, while still not 100%, and have him protected by a bum. It made no sense. Then again, what were his options? Jones, a green first year starter?

We didn't stand a chance this season.....

Exactly. Fabini has got to be our worst Lineman, and he was Chads frickin LEFT TACKLE! #-o

I couldnt believe what I heard on PTI a few weeks ago. They had a fill in for Kornheiser, I think it was Bob Ryan or something, and he was talking about the upcoming Jets game "The Jets who lost their top QBs and maybe their best Olineman in Fabini will be facing the ravens this weeek"

What a retard. Fabini our best Olineman. Jesus Christ, get off my TV dumbass.

If Stanton and Bush are off the board, I would consider going with Marcus McNeil and planting him at right tackle. An immovable object, 6'9 330, a complete beast.

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People continue to point to Herm's record of getting this team to the playoffs, which I can understand.

You can't win a Superbowl unless you're in the mix, but seriously, were we ever good enough?

I look at the Playoffs as something to build on, but have we done that? Have we continued to use that to spring board to greater things, the way team like Tennessee and Pittsburgh have? All we ever seemed to do was back in.

There are no guarantees. This bad season may get us a great player, like Bush, Ferguson, Winston, etc but we still have a big hole at qb, and a salary cap nightmare looming ahead.

Herm will get his pass this season, but next year...

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Exactly. Fabini has got to be our worst Lineman, and he was Chads frickin LEFT TACKLE! #-o

I couldnt believe what I heard on PTI a few weeks ago. They had a fill in for Kornheiser, I think it was Bob Ryan or something, and he was talking about the upcoming Jets game "The Jets who lost their top QBs and maybe their best Olineman in Fabini will be facing the ravens this weeek"

What a retard. Fabini our best Olineman. Jesus Christ, get off my TV dumbass.

If Stanton and Bush are off the board, I would consider going with Marcus McNeil and planting him at right tackle. An immovable object, 6'9 330, a complete beast.

This season is shot to hell, but we stand to get another solid player, just like we did when we got Vilma. The problem is, we have no clue who will be under center next year.

Chad's big ass deal prohibits us from going after Rivers or Brees. We are stuck. He does not want to restructure and we will be forced to wait on him and the results of his rehab. I also doubt that Herm and Bradway will use a top 5 pick on Leinart or another qb. They will sit, hope that Bush, or a stud LT is available, draft whomever is available, and go the free agency route and try to sign some castoff or go to battle with Fiedler, Pennington and another kid.

The only other thing I can think of is Bradway rolling the dice and trading Abe for picks.

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Bradway has done alot of great things here, particularly the draft

Dewayne Robertson

Jonathan Vilma

Erik Coleman

Adrian Jones

Kerry Rhodes

David Barrett

Justin McCareins

Ty Law

Eric Barton in FA

Problem is, he really overpaid for David Barrett and Justin McCareins. But finding 2 starters at safety in day 2 in a span of 2 drafts is pretty damn amazing.

Bradway does not value the Oline, and it has cost him big time not drafting any lineman in the draft this past year and only Jones and Cavka before.

Now, did Bradway do the Chrebet and Martin deals? Those are really hurting this team now.

Name ONE Pro-Bowler that Bradway has drafted.

He has moved up for both Moss and Robertson. He moved down for Jolley.

Bringing in good 6th rounders as draftees and throwing money at a couple of FA who liked NY and the division that you are in is not a great sign of a GM.

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Name ONE Pro-Bowler that Bradway has drafted.

He has moved up for both Moss and Robertson. He moved down for Jolley.

Bringing in good 6th rounders as draftees and throwing money at a couple of FA who liked NY and the division that you are in is not a great sign of a GM.

I'll let you know when the pro bowl means anything.

Who cares if they make the probowl? Bottom line is Drob and Vilma are probowl players, even though they have not been recognized yet. Would you rather have Bradway draft a single probowler and abunch of backups or 2 day 2 starting safetys, the best young MLB and DT in the game?

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I'll let you know when the pro bowl means anything.

Who cares if they make the probowl? Bottom line is Drob and Vilma are probowl players, even though they have not been recognized yet. Would you rather have Bradway draft a single probowler and abunch of backups or 2 day 2 starting safetys, the best young MLB and DT in the game?

Drafts are not made in Rounds one-When you ahve the 12th overall pick, when you traded several picks to move up in the top 5-You darn well better have some Pr-Bowl worthy players.

Drafts are made and defined in rounds 3, 4 and 5. The Jets have only done fair in those rounds, and the times that they have won in those rounds, they failed to keeep their home grown talent (McKenzie and Jordan).

Smart organizations, again, smart organizations learn to draft well and RECOGNIZE their talent early and LOCK UP their talent early, before they have the opportunity to hit the market. Jordan would have been a tough deal, but I wish they would have started earlier on McKenzie.

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Dierking to be fair Terry has had some good moves to go along with his bad ones.

Remember the Aaron Glenn/Marcus Coleman/Ryan Young situation with the Texans? That was genius and cap saving.

Adrian Jones, left tackle in round 4 not a bad pick.

The DROB pick was sweet. Barton/Kendal FA signing were excellent.

No it hasn't been perfect but he put the team in a position to win. the top 2 QBs got injured i don't know that particular problem is Herm or Terry's fault.

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Dierking to be fair Terry has had some good moves to go along with his bad ones.

Remember the Aaron Glenn/Marcus Coleman/Ryan Young situation with the Texans? That was genius and cap saving.

Adrian Jones, left tackle in round 4 not a bad pick.

The DROB pick was sweet. Barton/Kendal FA signing were excellent.

No it hasn't been perfect but he put the team in a position to win. the top 2 QBs got injured i don't know that particular problem is Herm or Terry's fault.

Matt-To be perfectly fair, Bradway had his hands tied to a degree with the cap, and the Coleman/Glenn deal was very, very shrewd.

What concerns me, is that here was a guy that came from the Giants organization, when the Giants organization was all about creating an O-line and pounding the ball at you. The line, under Bradway has been treated as teh red headed step child of all teh units.

I just don't get that approach, and they are paying for it.

The Bryan Thomas pick, that still baffles me. Where was the need with that pick.

Terry practically telegraphs his picks to thg rest of the league before the draft. Who did not know that Terry Bradway loved Santana Moss? And we had to pay a premium there.

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Here's a huge problem with the Jets.....

A first time owner was influenced by the league to hire a first time GM and Coach.

None of the three had experience in their current roles and had to learn the jobs on the go.

Only now, after some mistakes, has Bradway seemed to right himslef and draft well.

Herm still can't manage a clock and is still learning.

We've wasted picks, cap room and years, while these two get their act together. Now, we have to rely on them to rebuild an offensive line and find a top notch qb, all with little or no cap room.

Great. They also have a 32 year old running back that will need an heir.

This draft does have some answers, though. Leinhart, Bush, Ferguson, Winston, etc should all grade out to Top Ten picks, giving Bradway and Herm the player(s) they need. I just wished they could've gotten Volek or Brees, but ti is not realistic. They will wait on Chad to heal and redo this again next year, but hopefully with an upgrade on offense.

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