Holmes Plane Incident: MERGED

[Smashmouth]

How? The Jets were prepared to give up the 29th pick for Marshall according to reports, but couldn't agree on a contract.

BTW, according to updated reports Holmes was escorted off the plane (and let back on) because he didn't shut off his iPod.

And, finally, no way in hell can you say "I told you so" in April.

You are giving us a told you so for an incident that happened on a plane?

You kill me sometimes Smash. What exactly did you tell us and how does this prove you to be right?

Ok ok . I just wanted Marshall. SMC I was thinking in terms of 2 #2's like the Phags gave up.

JIF I wanted Marshall from the beginning and while a 5th for Holmes could be looked upon as a steal sometime in the future, keep in mind Holmes wont play a down for this team until week 5.

It bothers me when boarding a plane this issue had to get to the point of removal. Just shut the ****ing Ipod off and listen to what the flight attendant told you to do. Its unmistakeable how stupid it is to let it get to the point of bringing more negative publicity to yourself after being suspended for 4 games. Is he looking to get it extended to 8 ? I mean really WTF

[JustInFudge]

Close thread, nothing more to see here.

Not true. Seeing PatsyRain argue that the Pats made a better pick with Chad Jackson over Holmes is about as entertaining as it comes.

[SouthernJet]

Why cant the Man just leave a Brotha be.

Man, these Media dawgs are racist pigs.

Would this have been blown up if it was Bronco Nagurski?

[JustInFudge]

Ok ok . I just wanted Marshall. SMC I was thinking in terms of 2 #2's like the Phags gave up.

JIF I wanted Marshall from the beginning and while a 5th for Holmes could be looked upon as a steal sometime in the future, keep in mind Holmes wont play a down for this team until week 5.

It bothers me when boarding a plane this issue had to get to the point of removal. Just shut the ****ing Ipod off and listen to what the flight attendant told you to do. Its unmistakeable how stupid it is to let it get to the point of bringing more negative publicity to yourself after being suspended for 4 games. Is he looking to get it extended to 8 ? I mean really WTF

Fair enough...I still dont see how this is an "I told you so" moment. Niether have even put on the respective uniform.

[rillo]

Everyone needs to chill.

- Initial report says he got kicked off for being "disruptive.

- This report http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31751_162-20003867-10391697.html Says he didn't comply with turning off his Ipod, thus Holmes being "disruptive" ...lol

- ESPN fails to report he was let back on the plane

Close thread, nothing more to see here.

I knew it, airlines overreact no surprises here. I've seen it with my own eyes.

[Biggs]

Everyone needs to chill.

- Initial report says he got kicked off for being "disruptive.

- This report http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31751_162-20003867-10391697.html Says he didn't comply with turning off his Ipod, thus Holmes being "disruptive" ...lol

- ESPN fails to report he was let back on the plane

Close thread, nothing more to see here.

When a flight attendant tells you to turn off your I Pod and you don't you're clearly a thug turd. Violating FAA regulations is a serious offense.

Until the airlines figure out how to charge you for listening and useing portable devices and the government can collect the appropriate vig in the form of taxing it, they have a right to intefere with your listening pleasure.

[SouthernJet]

y'all need to chill

[Smashmouth]

Wha? How does giving up draft picks and a bajillion dollars for Marshall have anything to do with the team not wanting Faneca anymore?

Because if we did not have our second round pick we would not have Ducasse so at that point it would have been foolish to release Faneca would it not ?

[rillo]

Doesn't the iPod have an 'airplane mode'....this happened a couple of years ago when the new iPod's came out and they booted some kid off the plane for the same crap. Nothing to see here...

[PatriotReign37]

Not true. Seeing PatsyRain argue that the Pats made a better pick with Chad Jackson over Holmes is about as entertaining as it comes.

Where did I say that Jackson was the better pick?

Youre full of $hit.

[Vudu]

y'all need to chill

Who is the fly dude!? I like his style!

[PatriotReign37]

Considering he was a SB MVP and he made the 2nd greatest catch in SB history next to Tyree (remember that one?)...I'm pretty sure they are pleased with the value Holmes provided out of the first round.

You cant honestly be serious with this argument?

A 1st for a 5th?

You must still be drunk.

[JustInFudge]

Where did I say that Jackson was the better pick?

Youre full of $hit.

"I always wondered why NE passed on Holmes and drafted Chad Jackson. Now, I know why."

What does this imply?

[Smashmouth]

Fair enough...I still dont see how this is an "I told you so" moment. Niether have even put on the respective uniform.

Yeah bad choice of words. We had no chance to weigh the Santonio situation because he was basicly dumped in our laps.

I was refering to a thread where I thought things that Santonio was doing were much worse than what Marshall was doing. After reading about the entire stories of each case brought aganist the players. Santonio just seems like trouble to me and marshall seems very genuine when he states that he has matured and just needed a change of scenery.

I hope Santonio gets his act together because right now it seems like he still has a serious problem which will bring about more incidents in the future.

[dbatesman]

Santonio just seems like trouble to me and marshall seems very genuine when he states that he has matured and just needed a change of scenery.

Right. There's just something about that brisk mountain air that compels a person to beat his wife and get into it with the Crips.

[Smashmouth]

Doesn't the iPod have an 'airplane mode'....this happened a couple of years ago when the new iPod's came out and they booted some kid off the plane for the same crap. Nothing to see here...

So a flight attendant comes to tell you that your IPOD will interfere with the plane and you say well screw you Im not turning it off. There is plenty to see here.

Where is this guys head at rillo ? He just got suspended and is under Goodell's microscope and this is how he acts ? How stupid is this

[Biggs]

I hope Santonio gets his act together because right now it seems like he still has a serious problem which will bring about more incidents in the future.

Not knowing how to turn off an I Pod doesn't seem like a serious problem. There isn't a single product that Apple makes with a clearly defined off switch.

[PatriotReign37]

"I always wondered why NE passed on Holmes and drafted Chad Jackson. Now, I know why."

What does this imply?

It implies that Holmes had bad character in 2005 and he would have likely caused trouble in NE too.

Then, NE would have to cut him or deal him for low round pick after putting up with his BS.

[JohnnyHector]

I miss the days when flight attendants were pretty, young and served you food and beverages sans attitude. I fly allot and there are a ton of nasty battleaxes happy to give you a **** all day long.

They're actually the same women... you'd be bitter too if you were an old, single broad, no longer able to reel-in catches like Jack Tripper and Larry Dallas.

[Smashmouth]

Right. There's just something about that brisk mountain air that compels a person to beat his wife and get into it with the Crips.

It was stated in what I read, that he did not beat his wife. They were argueing and he tried to stop her from leaving his house in a cab. the charges were dropped the next day. if this were a beating Issue would charges have been dropped the next day ? Maybe Im wrong Debatesman.. shrug

[Biggs]

It implies that Holmes had bad character in 2005 and he would have likely caused trouble in NE too.

Then, NE would have to cut him or deal him for low round pick after putting up with his BS.

Is this the same NE that gave up a second for Dillon and a 4 for Moss?

[ThisYearsModel]

I don't understand for the life of me why people who are rich and famous fly commercial. Airlines will toss them just for the publicity. At least with Kevin Smith they said it was because he's too goddamn fat. 'Disruptive passenger' probably means contempt of flight attendant.

Does not take much to get booted off of a plane these days. Saw one on my flight to SF a few weeks ago. Flight Attendant in a bad mood and a wise ass on the plane. He was arrested when he got off in SFO. That said........Holmes is a class 1 thug turd.

[Smashmouth]

Everyone needs to chill.

- Initial report says he got kicked off for being "disruptive.

- This report http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31751_162-20003867-10391697.html Says he didn't comply with turning off his Ipod, thus Holmes being "disruptive" ...lol

- ESPN fails to report he was let back on the plane

Close thread, nothing more to see here.

Next time I go on a plane Im lighting up a smoke and turning on an IPOD then I will refuse to comply with the fight attendant. No biggie right ?

[Biggs]

They're actually the same women... you'd be bitter too if you were an old, single broad, no longer able to reel-in catches like Jack Tripper and Larry Dallas.

I'm not sure which is gayer you putting 2 three's company refrences in a post or me knowing you did?

[Smashmouth]

Not knowing how to turn off an I Pod doesn't seem like a serious problem. There isn't a single product that Apple makes with a clearly defined off switch.

Biggs was this actully a case of "not knowing" how to shut it off ? because thats another story if thats what actully happened.

[Biggs]

Biggs was this actully a case of "not knowing" how to shut it off ? because thats another story if thats what actully happened.

You just defined the problem with religion, literal interpretation.

[s dubb]

Next time I go on a plane Im lighting up a smoke and turning on an IPOD then I will refuse to comply with the fight attendant. No biggie right ?

A smoke? I love how you skewer the article.

and actually, it is no biggie. A far cry from rape,drugs and murder.

[flgreen]

It was stated in what I read, that he did not beat his wife. They were argueing and he tried to stop her from leaving his house in a cab. the charges were dropped the next day. if this were a beating Issue would charges have been dropped the next day ? Maybe Im wrong Debatesman.. shrug

Oct. 31, 2004: During his junior year at the University of Central Florida, Brandon Marshall faced misdemeanor charges of trespass, resisting arrest without violence, disorderly conduct, refusal to obey and assault on a police officer after an argument with an off-duty Florida Highway Patrol officer turned heated at an Orlando Denny's restaurant. According to the off-duty officer, Marshall, who'd been asked to leave the restaurant for creating a disturbance, accused the officer and the restaurant manager of being "racist," threatened to sue Denny's and the Florida Highway Patrol and said he was "a star and a well-known athlete." Marshall screamed profanities and locked his fists as if he were preparing to strike the officer, according to the report. The charges were later dismissed.

April 8, 2005: Marshall was charged with retail theft, a misdemeanor, after trying to return a stolen set of bed sheets, valued at $19.99, to a Burlington Coat Factory, according to a police report of the incident. The charge was later dropped.

April 2006: Marshall was drafted by the Broncos in the fourth round of the NFL draft, No. 119 overall.

Courtsey of Rasheedah WatleyBrandon Marshall and Rasheedah Watley had dated since they were teenagers.

June 17, 2006: Conflicting police reports from Marshall and Rasheedah Watley were filed with the Orange County, Fla., Sheriff's Department. Marshall told police that Watley became violent after seeing him earlier that evening as the object of another woman's affection. Marshall described Watley to police as an old family friend and told police that Watley punched him and scratched his chest after an argument inside the couple's Orlando apartment spiraled out of control. Watley, who filed a police report by phone from Atlanta three days after the incident, told Florida police that Marshall was the aggressor, and that he slapped her in the face, grabbed her by the arms and pushed her to the ground, and that Marshall's sister, London, who was also present during the fight, cut Watley above her eye by throwing a cell phone or remote control at her face. No charges were ever filed.

Dec. 31, 2006: Marshall and several Broncos teammates were present at "The Shelter," a nightclub in Denver's LoDo section, as part of a birthday celebration for Denver Nuggets forward Kenyon Martin. Former Broncos wide receiver Javon Walker later told HBO's "Real Sports" that an argument broke out at the club when Marshall and his cousin sprayed champagne on another club patron and his friend. The men, who argued with Marshall and his cousin, were then asked to leave the club, Walker told HBO. Walker admitted he didn't see the encounter. According to media reports, around closing time, Marshall and his cousin were seen on the sidewalk outside the club arguing with the patrons who had been ejected from the club earlier that night. Walker told HBO that he believes the argument contributed to a drive-by shooting a short time later that killed Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams.

Jan. 24, 2007: Police responded to a parking lot outside an Orlando bowling alley where Marshall and his father had a heated argument. According to a police report of the incident, Frederick Marshall said his son took out a handgun and fired one shot at him after the two men argued. Frederick Marshall, who refused to sign a sworn statement or press charges, said his son left the area after firing the handgun. Several witnesses said they never heard gunshots, according to the police report. While officers spoke with Frederick Marshall that evening, Brandon Marshall returned to the parking lot and provided his own statement. Brandon Marshall told police that his father had asked him for money earlier that night and that when he said "no," Frederick Marshall left the bowling alley in anger, broke a beer bottle on Brandon Marshall's vehicle and then tried to run down Brandon Marshall with his car, forcing him to jump between two vehicles in the parking lot to avoid getting hit, according to the report. Frederick Marshall also threatened to "ruin [brandon's] professional football career," according to the police report. Brandon Marshall also declined to press charges.

March 18, 2007: Atlanta police responded to a domestic dispute call at the Westin Peachtree hotel. Watley told officers that after meeting Marshall at the hotel that night, he became enraged after he went through her cell phone call list and noticed she'd been speaking with an ex-boyfriend. Watley told police Marshall hit her repeatedly with a closed fist. While she refused medical attention, police noticed a large, dark-colored bruise on Watley's chin. Police reported seeing Marshall in the lobby of a neighboring hotel but, according to the report, Marshall left and was not arrested. Police advised Watley to take out a warrant for Marshall's arrest, but Watley never did. No charges were ever filed.

March 21, 2007: Watley filed a report with police in Boca Raton, Fla. Watley and Marshall, who were staying in south Florida with Marshall's uncle, told police that an argument started that night at a local restaurant after Marshall refused to ask Watley to marry him. According to a police report, while Watley was walking home, Marshall grabbed a large pipe from a construction site and hit the ground with it in frustration. Nobody was hurt. Police characterized the incident as a verbal domestic dispute. No charges were filed.

March 26, 2007: Police in Douglas County, Colo., arrested Marshall for false imprisonment and domestic violence. Watley told "Outside the Lines" she was assaulted by Marshall a day earlier at Marshall's suburban Denver home -- she never reported that incident to police -- and that she was attempting to fly back to Atlanta to get away from Marshall. Watley told police she and Marshall argued at the Denver airport and that she later agreed to return to Marshall's home. Watley told police when she attempted to leave Marshall's home a second time, Marshall followed her taxi and, at one point, blocked its path with his Dodge Charger, leapt from his car and punched the taxi cab's windows. When contacted by "Outside the Lines," the cab driver confirmed Watley's version of events. Marshall denied punching the taxi cab's windows and later told police he was only trying to retrieve his cell phone, which he said Watley had taken from him.

May 25, 2007: Charges against Marshall relating to his arrest in Douglas County, Colo., were dismissed after he successfully completed anger management classes.

Courtesy of Vienna WatleyWatley suffered a cut to her thigh during an altercation in their Atlanta condo in June 2007.

June 8, 2007: Police responded to Marshall and Watley's Atlanta condo at 5 a.m. and found Watley with a noticeable cut on her right thigh. Watley initially told officers that she accidentally cut herself with a kitchen knife. Watley told the first officer to arrive that while she had argued with Marshall earlier that evening, no physical abuse occurred. Marshall was not present. Roughly an hour later, at 6:07 a.m., police were dispatched to the condo a second time. On this second visit Watley told police that Marshall did indeed cut her thigh with a kitchen knife during a fight earlier that evening and that he later returned to the condo and continued to assault Watley by punching her in the forehead. Watley's friend, Kristeena Spivey, told police that while she was attempting to drive Watley from the condo complex, she noticed Marshall attempting to leave the scene. Spivey, who called 911 to make officers aware of Marshall's whereabouts, said when she attempted to block Marshall's exit from the parking lot with her vehicle, Marshall rammed her car with his Cadillac Escalade and then left his SUV and threw a large rock at the passenger side of Spivey's car. Marshall fled the scene before police arrived, according to Spivey and Watley. Watley was taken to Grady Memorial Hospital for treatment. No charges were ever filed.

June 30, 2007: Atlanta police responded to a fight-in-progress call at Marshall and Watley's condo. Watley told police that a fight broke out after Marshall missed a flight and blamed Watley. Watley told police Marshall struck her with a closed fist and choked her. Watley had a bruise on her left eye and noticeable scratches on her body, according to a police report of the incident. Officers made Watley aware of the procedures to obtain a restraining order. No charges were filed.

Oct. 22, 2007: Hours after defeating the Pittsburgh Steelers, Marshall was cited at 2 a.m. by Denver police for driving under the influence after he was seen driving erratically. His blood-alcohol level was 0.116 (the legal limit for DUI in Colorado is 0.08).

Jan. 18, 2008: Watley obtained a temporary protective order against Marshall in Fulton County (Ga.) Superior Court. At the time, Marshall was forbidden to come within 200 yards of Watley. Watley, through her attorneys, eventually agreed to lift the court order.

Feb. 18, 2008: Watley told "Outside the Lines" that as part of a Valentine's Day present, and in an attempt to repair their relationship, Marshall surprised her with a last-minute trip to San Juan, Puerto Rico. While on that trip, Watley said, Marshall argued with her about an ex-boyfriend. Watley said Marshall assaulted her at San Juan's Condado Plaza Hotel, hitting her in the mouth, which caused her to bleed, and choking her on the bed. A report was filed by police saying officers were called to the hotel to help hotel security escort guests from the property. The report does not mention Watley, Marshall or any details of the incident.

March 4, 2008: Police responded around 9 p.m. to a fight call at Marshall and Watley's Atlanta condo and found Marshall bleeding from his hand. Marshall initially told police that during an argument with Watley, one of Watley's sisters cut him on his hand with a knife. When asked by police who had the knife, Marshall then told officers there was no knife, and that he'd been cut on glass during a fight with Watley. Watley told police that Marshall became upset after finding text messages from an ex-boyfriend on Watley's phone. Watley had several cuts on her lips, according to a police report, and told officers that Marshall had grabbed her by the head and slapped her. While police were interviewing Watley, Marshall fled, according to a report of the incident.

March 5, 2008: Police returned to Marshall and Watley's condo around 1 a.m. Watley and her sister both told police that after the fight earlier that same evening, Marshall returned to the condo, took Watley's purse and threw her personal belongings, including clothing, off of the 20th floor balcony. Police told Watley to leave the residence, but she declined and explained that she feared Marshall would return again once officers left and damage more of her property.

March 5, 2008: Watley obtained her second temporary protective order against Marshall in Fulton County Superior Court. Marshall was once again forbidden by the court order to come within 200 yards of Watley.

May 5, 2008: Atlanta police were called once again to the condo Watley shared for more than a year with Marshall. According to a police report, Watley and Marshall's mother argued about Watley's attempt to remove items from the condo. No charges were filed.

Aug. 5, 2008: The NFL released a statement announcing that Marshall would be suspended without pay for the Broncos' first three regular-season games of 2008 for violating the NFL personal conduct policy. The statement noted that "if Marshall fully complies with required counseling and other conditions of the suspension, Commissioner Goodell will consider reducing the suspension to two games."

Aug. 28, 2008: Less than a month after the NFL released a statement announcing Marshall's suspension, the league released another statement saying Marshall's suspension had been reduced upon appeal to one game without pay plus an additional fine of one game check. An NFL spokesman told ESPN "a potential reduction in [Marshall's] initial three-game suspension was always contemplated if he complied with required counseling and other conditions of the suspension." The spokesman would not elaborate on the precise conditions Marshall met to have his suspension reduced.

Sept. 10, 2008: Marshall was charged with two misdemeanor counts of simple battery as a result of the incident the previous March (his formal bond arraignment was Nov. 3, 2008). Simple battery, according to the Fulton County District Attorney's office, is punishable by up to one year in jail and/or a $1,000 fine.

Sept. 12, 2008: Nearly a year after being cited for DUI in Denver, Marshall pleaded guilty to the lesser offense of driving while ability-impaired. He was sentenced to one year of probation.

Feb. 5, 2009: While attending a dinner party in Honolulu as part of his Pro Bowl appearance, Marshall proposed to Michi Nogami-Campbell. Marshall told the Denver Post he met Nogami-Campbell while the two attended the University of Central Florida. The engagement prompted several sports writers to praise what they characterized as Marshall's maturity.

March 1, 2009: Marshall and his fianc

[Biggs]

A smoke? I love how you skewer the article.

and actually, it is no biggie. A far cry from rape,drugs and murder.

Failure to turn off your I Pod is a gateway to rape, drugs and murder.

[JohnnyHector]

I'm not sure which is gayer you putting 2 three's company refrences in a post or me knowing you did?

If you got the reference from just "Larry Dallas" (I had to Google his last name), then you'd be in trouble...

[JohnnyHector]

So a flight attendant comes to tell you that your IPOD will interfere with the plane and you say well screw you Im not turning it off. There is plenty to see here.

What you don't know is that Holmes majored in Electrical Engineering at Ohio State and was challenging the notion that the low-powered WiFi and Bluetooth transmission from the iPod could actually interfere with the plane's instrumentation.

This is a lot like the teacher who gave the kid detention for arguing that a mile is a greater distance than a kilometer.

[Kentucky Jet]

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Santonio Holmes has been great at team facilities, studying film and working with Sanchez. From what Rex understands, he thinks this plane incident isn't nearly as big of a deal as it's being made to be. Rex says the version of the story he got is much different than what's being reported on the internet and stuff.

Donovan Warren is trying out as a safety. Smart kid, working at both spots corner and safety, but best shot will be as a safety. Warren was on the Jets draft board, and was highest rated undrafted player.

[s dubb]

Failure to turn off your I Pod is a gateway to rape, drugs and murder.

Hahahah!!

I win.

[Jbro22]

So the guy didn't wanna turn his iPod off...

His name will be next to Rosa Parks' name when its all said an done....

[rillo]

Failure to turn off your I Pod is a gateway to rape, drugs and murder.

And since this incident was on a plane, add in terrorism too.