The Supernatural

[DMaynard]

We have had wonderful discussions on just about everything with this subject - ghosts, UFOs/aliens, bigfoot, Jason Taylor, etc.

It seems to me that every subject in the realm of the supernatural always comes down to the same thing. Those who believe generally do so because of the testimony of so many credible witnesses. And the more you research, the more credible witnesses and incredible stories you will find. It is actually overwelming. In a court of law, it would be enough circumstantial evidence to convict.

Ah, but there is the catch. Circumstantial. With all of these subjects, there is no compelling physical evidence. And you can't fault the non - believers who hang their hat on that fact.

Which brings me to my conclusion. Boths sides are right. And both sides are wrong. We will never capture a bigfoot. We will never touch a UFO. An alien will never do the Tonight Show. A ghost will never have to pay rent. But the supernatural is as real or as fake as your dreams and nightmares. It all depends on our perspective. I am not saying we totally imagine these things. I think they just exist on a different level or frequency. Maybe another dimension. Maybe to keep us from straying too far from the cave or doing a day trip to Tijuana. But whatever they are, I think it is deep rooted in our consciousness, has always and will always be with us.

But what do I know? I am still trying to figure out why Twinkees have a shelf life of 20 years.

[war ensemble]

"Look I know the supernatural is something that isn't supposed to happen, but it does happen..."

[vanDoug]

"Look I know the supernatural is something that isn't supposed to happen, but it does happen..."

Yep. Happens here all the time.

[war ensemble]

Yep. Happens here all the time.

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[SoFlaJets]

I love these threads Dennis and besides they do serve one really good purpose; they keep Alk away and for me, that's a good thing. I'm sure I'll be getting another cheerful PM from him after he sees this

[SenorGato]

Loch Ness.

Mansi photo at Lake Champlain...for w/e reason I can't find the fisherman's video taken a couple of years ago.

Felicia Felix-Mentor of Haiti, who died and was buried in 1907, but who was found wandering the countryside in 1937.

http://www.cbarks.dk/theliterarystorieslegends.htm

Aliens are cool because they've been in our culture for millenia:

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I believe in the stuff to the point anyone can believe in this stuff...the idea that human received a boost from aliens is kind of cool.

[Larz]

I like to point out the mountian gorrila was a "crypto" and just a legend until the 1920's

you could have the same discussion, and just insert mountain gorilla for bigfoot

no bodies found

no bones

no hair

just eyewtiness accounts about a hairy man in the woods

so if a mountain gorilla could hide from science for that long, I'm open to BF

the only thing we really know for sure, and can count on, is the scientific community doesn't have a 100% solid grasp of our world and universe

heck, new particles are discovered every decade or so it seems like

[Thai Jet]

I love these threads Dennis and besides they do serve one really good purpose; they keep Alk away and for me, that's a good thing. I'm sure I'll be getting another cheerful PM from him after he sees this

Lucky you Jimmy.

[Thai Jet]

We have had wonderful discussions on just about everything with this subject - ghosts, UFOs/aliens, bigfoot, Jason Taylor, etc.

It seems to me that every subject in the realm of the supernatural always comes down to the same thing. Those who believe generally do so because of the testimony of so many credible witnesses. And the more you research, the more credible witnesses and incredible stories you will find. It is actually overwelming. In a court of law, it would be enough circumstantial evidence to convict.

Ah, but there is the catch. Circumstantial. With all of these subjects, there is no compelling physical evidence. And you can't fault the non - believers who hang their hat on that fact.

Which brings me to my conclusion. Boths sides are right. And both sides are wrong. We will never capture a bigfoot. We will never touch a UFO. An alien will never do the Tonight Show. A ghost will never have to pay rent. But the supernatural is as real or as fake as your dreams and nightmares. It all depends on our perspective. I am not saying we totally imagine these things. I think they just exist on a different level or frequency. Maybe another dimension. Maybe to keep us from straying too far from the cave or doing a day trip to Tijuana. But whatever they are, I think it is deep rooted in our consciousness, has always and will always be with us.

But what do I know? I am still trying to figure out why Twinkees have a shelf life of 20 years.

Anybody here watch " Supernatural" Thursday's at 9 on CW ? Great show and it gets you to thinking.

[SenorGato]

I like to point out the mountian gorrila was a "crypto" and just a legend until the 1920's

I think the whole "we should have seen them by now" thing is a hacky form of proof they don't exist.

Hell, the Giant Squid only finally got captured on tape within the past couple of years.

The OP's post sounds very South Park...

[Mentos]

the only thing we really know for sure, and can count on, is the scientific community doesn't have a 100% solid grasp of our world and universe

heck, new particles are discovered every decade or so it seems like

Over 100 new species were recently discovered in Borneo. Granted, many of them were small things such as frogs and insects, but I do believe it is possible that there are large undiscovered mammals in remote locations.

[war ensemble]

I think the whole "we should have seen them by now" thing is a hacky form of proof they don't exist.

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It's not proof, but it's the least you can go by. If you totally disregard the "we should have seen them by now" thing, then I can tell you I just saw a holographic flying piranha and you have no basis from which to refute my story. It's worth something, or else you'd just be a complete skeptic. And that's not healthy.

[slats]

I'm unlikely to ever get on board with Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster. I think they make for fun legends, but they'll never be more than that in my mind.

Aliens/UFO's is a totally different matter. No doubt in my mind that there's intelligent life somewhere in the Universe - intelligence that probably puts ours to shame. Also makes sense, given what we know about life here, that other life forms would search for life on other "Earth-like" planets - so we definitely could've been visited.

And I think that any life form capable of getting here from wherever they are in the Universe in a flying saucer are probably way too clever to ever get caught by our dumb asses. So it's unlikely to ever be "proven" in my lifetime - although everyone on the planet having a digital camera in their pockets at all times might help.

[war ensemble]

I'm unlikely to ever get on board with Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster. I think they make for fun legends, but they'll never be more than that in my mind.

Aliens/UFO's is a totally different matter. No doubt in my mind that there's intelligent life somewhere in the Universe - intelligence that probably puts ours to shame. Also makes sense, given what we know about life here, that other life forms would search for life on other "Earth-like" planets - so we definitely could've been visited.

And I think that any life form capable of getting here from wherever they are in the Universe in a flying saucer are probably way too clever to ever get caught by our dumb asses. So it's unlikely to ever be "proven" in my lifetime - although everyone on the planet having a digital camera in their pockets at all times might help.

I will one up you and say somewhere in the multiverse. Inflationary cosmology FTW!!

[Thai Jet]

I'm unlikely to ever get on board with Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster. I think they make for fun legends, but they'll never be more than that in my mind.

Aliens/UFO's is a totally different matter. No doubt in my mind that there's intelligent life somewhere in the Universe - intelligence that probably puts ours to shame. Also makes sense, given what we know about life here, that other life forms would search for life on other "Earth-like" planets - so we definitely could've been visited.

And I think that any life form capable of getting here from wherever they are in the Universe in a flying saucer are probably way too clever to ever get caught by our dumb asses. So it's unlikely to ever be "proven" in my lifetime - although everyone on the planet having a digital camera in their pockets at all times might help.

Agrred. I know we've been visited by Aliens in our ancient past. Look at how the Mayans, who didn't even know about the wheel, could predict the exact alignment of the planets etc. Don't tell me it was a lucky guess. Look at the huge ancient lines in Peru that depict animals. Know one even knew they existed until 1928 when air travel made them visible. Who were the ancient ones trying to impress with these when no one would even know they existed ? Could it be that it was for creatures from another planet that could see them from their space craft ? Just too many unsolved questions for me.

[SenorGato]

It's not proof, but it's the least you can go by. If you totally disregard the "we should have seen them by now" thing, then I can tell you I just saw a holographic flying piranha and you have no basis from which to refute my story. It's worth something, or else you'd just be a complete skeptic. And that's not healthy.

Worth SOMETHING? Yes.

Worth much? Eh...depends on who you ask and how much they care.

[Larz]

I'm unlikely to ever get on board with Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster. I think they make for fun legends, but they'll never be more than that in my mind.

Aliens/UFO's is a totally different matter. No doubt in my mind that there's intelligent life somewhere in the Universe - intelligence that probably puts ours to shame. Also makes sense, given what we know about life here, that other life forms would search for life on other "Earth-like" planets - so we definitely could've been visited.

And I think that any life form capable of getting here from wherever they are in the Universe in a flying saucer are probably way too clever to ever get caught by our dumb asses. So it's unlikely to ever be "proven" in my lifetime - although everyone on the planet having a digital camera in their pockets at all times might help.

I agree, and an interesting spin on ET is asking the question do they travel distance, time or dimension to get here ?

"greys" could be human after a million years of evolution coming back to watch good football before they really made it a wussy game

maybe they actually live on earth with us, just in the 7th dimension

travelling thousands of light years, even at the speed of light, has many problems like would they have to breed along the way or do they have life spans of 10's of thousands of years ?

[Larz]

Over 100 new species were recently discovered in Borneo. Granted, many of them were small things such as frogs and insects, but I do believe it is possible that there are large undiscovered mammals in remote locations.

wow !

that's exaclty my point, thanks for that

[SoFlaJets]

Another show that either History or Discovery is showing is the An Alien History thing-now SOMEONE built these huge rock structures and had the abilty to MOVE stones that big and with technology that cut them with diamond precision. I mean we can't even do most of that here in the 21st century. It's staring us right in the face saying "YOU SEE IDIOTS WE WERE HERE!!!!"

[RutgersJetFan]

Aliens don't qualify as supernatural.

[Bruce Banner]

Once I was visiting Guatemala and we ended up visiting the shrine to some dead woman the Guatemalans were trying to get canonized. Don't remember her name or if they got it. Anyway, on one whole entire wall of the shrine were homemade plaques from people swearing they prayed to this dead woman and a miracle happened. Inscribed on the plaques, often just pieces of wood with carved letters, were all the details of the miracle and the name of the person swearing on his life that all this was true. Must have been a hundred of these plaques, a hundred miracles they wanted as evidence to convince the Vatican to declare the woman a saint.

So I'm looking at this wall and at all the clearly devoted visitors to the shrine and I suddenly realize America will never have as many saints as other countries. That's the whole story. Maybe you had to be there.

[JerryK]

I've gone to church my whole life -- still do -- and have to admit I haven't seen anything that qualifies as remotely unexplainable or supernatural.

Seems like everyone has an uncle ralph who's seen floating green lights over the barn...but I gotta say I haven't seen anything. (nor do I have the proverbial uncle ralph).

So you can put me down as never having seen anything, and doubtful that I will.

[Thai Jet]

Another show that either History or Discovery is showing is the An Alien History thing-now SOMEONE built these huge rock structures and had the abilty to MOVE stones that big and with technology that cut them with diamond precision. I mean we can't even do most of that here in the 21st century. It's staring us right in the face saying "YOU SEE IDIOTS WE WERE HERE!!!!"

Exactly ! These people didn't even invent the wheel , yet did all these things by themselves ? Doubt it.

[SouthernJet]

We have had wonderful discussions on just about everything with this subject - ghosts, UFOs/aliens, bigfoot, Jason Taylor, etc.

It seems to me that every subject in the realm of the supernatural always comes down to the same thing. Those who believe generally do so because of the testimony of so many credible witnesses. And the more you research, the more credible witnesses and incredible stories you will find. It is actually overwelming. In a court of law, it would be enough circumstantial evidence to convict.

Ah, but there is the catch. Circumstantial. With all of these subjects, there is no compelling physical evidence. And you can't fault the non - believers who hang their hat on that fact.

Which brings me to my conclusion. Boths sides are right. And both sides are wrong. We will never capture a bigfoot. We will never touch a UFO. An alien will never do the Tonight Show. A ghost will never have to pay rent. But the supernatural is as real or as fake as your dreams and nightmares. It all depends on our perspective. I am not saying we totally imagine these things. I think they just exist on a different level or frequency. Maybe another dimension. Maybe to keep us from straying too far from the cave or doing a day trip to Tijuana. But whatever they are, I think it is deep rooted in our consciousness, has always and will always be with us.

But what do I know? I am still trying to figure out why Twinkees have a shelf life of 20 years.

listen to this at night,,,best show available about subjects you mention..

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/

[SoFlaJets]

Exactly ! These people didn't even invent the wheel , yet did all these things by themselves ? Doubt it.

I have to admit to having been a skeptic until I saw a UFO in November 1997-that was a life-changing moment and perhaps the most amazing thing I've seen in my 54 years on this planet

[SoFlaJets]

that I found on Coast to Coast's website

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/153063/

[Thai Jet]

I have to admit to having been a skeptic until I saw a UFO in November 1997-that was a life-changing moment and perhaps the most amazing thing I've seen in my 54 years on this planet

WOW ! I've never seen one, even with my many trips to the South Western desert.

[SouthernJet]

WOW ! I've never seen one, even with my many trips to the South Western desert.

You only see them if you have a chip implanted in you from a past encounter. The chip allows them to monitor you and locate you when they need you for food.

Why you think souflajets likes to eat? He is subconcioulsy fattening up for them.

[Thai Jet]

that I found on Coast to Coast's website

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/153063/

Thanks Jimmy. Interesting read.

[Thai Jet]

You only see them if you have a chip implanted in you from a past encounter. The chip allows them to monitor you and locate you when they need you for food.

Why you think souflajets likes to eat? He is subconcioulsy fattening up for them.

Damn it, there's always a catch . I remember that episode. Wasn't Craig Stevens the next item on the menu ?

[SenorGato]

that I found on Coast to Coast's website

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/153063/

Celebrities are aliens. Alec Baldwin admitted it in that Hulu commercial.

[SoFlaJets]

WOW ! I've never seen one, even with my many trips to the South Western desert.

one floated right over my apartment in Lake Worth around 11:30 one night. It was gigantic and completely silent-it had to be maybe 800 to 1000 feet up in the air and then just friggin vanished. I wrote a song about but I guess I took it down from my website.

[SouthernJet]

one floated right over my apartment in Lake Worth around 11:30 one night. It was gigantic and completely silent-it had to be maybe 800 to 1000 feet up in the air and then just friggin vanished. I wrote a song about but I guess I took it down from my website.

one question.

Jamiacan Buds or Panama Red?

[SoFlaJets]

one question.

Jamiacan Buds or Panama Red?

I was 2 and a half months sober at the time SJ...

[Thai Jet]

Once I was visiting Guatemala and we ended up visiting the shrine to some dead woman the Guatemalans were trying to get canonized. Don't remember her name or if they got it. Anyway, on one whole entire wall of the shrine were homemade plaques from people swearing they prayed to this dead woman and a miracle happened. Inscribed on the plaques, often just pieces of wood with carved letters, were all the details of the miracle and the name of the person swearing on his life that all this was true. Must have been a hundred of these plaques, a hundred miracles they wanted as evidence to convince the Vatican to declare the woman a saint.

So I'm looking at this wall and at all the clearly devoted visitors to the shrine and I suddenly realize America will never have as many saints as other countries. That's the whole story. Maybe you had to be there.

I've often marveled at the fact that 99% of these miracles or "appearances" happen in 3rd world countries.