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Why I'll Take Pedroia on My Team Any Day

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I will. Cano is having a better season. Pedroia has had a better career.

Really? Isn't that "better" career based on 1 season

Robby

Career Stats

Year Team G AB R H HR RBI BB KO SB CS BA OBP SLG

2010 NYY 60 237 45 89 12 46 17 30 2 2 0.3755 0.4192 0.6160

On Pace NYY 164 650 123 244 32 126 46 82 5 5 0.3754 0.4185 0.6092

Projected Rest of Season NYY 0 398.3 69.1 137.2 17.8 63.2 22.4 39.7 3.2 3.9 0.3445 0.3794 0.5631

Projected 2010 Totals NYY 156 600 100 184 23 95 29 69 5 4 0.3067 0.3386 0.4800

3-year Average NYY 160 617 89 185 19 85 32 71 4 5 0.2998 0.3374 0.4716

2009 NYY 161 637 103 204 25 85 30 63 5 7 0.3203 0.3516 0.5196

2008 NYY 159 597 70 162 14 72 26 65 2 4 0.2714 0.3049 0.4104

2007 NYY 160 617 93 189 19 97 39 85 4 5 0.3063 0.3533 0.4878

2006 NYY 122 482 62 165 15 78 18 54 5 2 0.3423 0.3649 0.5249

2005 NYY 132 522 78 155 14 62 16 68 1 3 0.2969 0.3199 0.4579

6 Seasons 794 3092 451 964 99 440 146 365 19 23 0.3118 0.3451 0.4900

Lil Dusty

Career Stats

Year Team G AB R H HR RBI BB KO SB CS BA OBP SLG

2010 BOS 60 247 36 62 8 29 29 30 4 1 0.2510 0.3310 0.4251

On Pace BOS 156 645 94 162 20 75 75 78 10 2 0.2512 0.3297 0.4202

Projected Rest of Season BOS 0 404.3 67.9 113.2 11.6 47.7 46.9 37.1 10.2 3.6 0.2800 0.3548 0.4460

Projected 2010 Totals BOS 158 630 112 194 15 72 62 49 20 5 0.3079 0.3699 0.4587

3-year Average BOS 150 600 106 188 13 68 57 46 16 3 0.3133 0.3752 0.4600

2009 BOS 154 626 115 185 15 72 74 45 20 8 0.2955 0.3713 0.4473

2008 BOS 157 653 118 213 17 83 50 52 20 1 0.3262 0.3755 0.4931

2007 BOS 139 520 86 165 8 50 47 42 7 1 0.3173 0.3802 0.4423

2006 BOS 31 89 5 17 2 7 7 7 0 1 0.1910 0.2577 0.3034

5 Seasons 541 2135 360 642 50 241 207 176 51 12 0.3007 0.3653 0.4515

Don't think so Spin Cycle

Edited by JonEJet

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No, it's based on career. You know. His rookie of the year season, his MVP season, etc.

Look at the numbers Spin Cycle...they don't lie

Better AVG, HR, Slugging, RBI, Hits

C'mon dude....Robbie is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR superior

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Look at the numbers Spin Cycle...they don't lie

Better AVG, HR, Slugging, RBI, Hits

C'mon dude....Robbie is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR superior

Pedroia has played 3 full seasons Cano has played 5. Of course he numbers are going to be higher. You're not going to convince me your way and I'm not going to convince you the other. You're also only talking about hitting. Fielding and base running also play a factor.

And quit calling me Spin Cycle. I'm only going to ask nicely once.

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Pedroia has played 3 full seasons Cano has played 5. Of course he numbers are going to be higher. You're not going to convince me your way and I'm not going to convince you the other. You're also only talking about hitting. Fielding and base running also play a factor.

And quit calling me Spin Cycle. I'm only going to ask nicely once.

Honestly, there may not be a better fielding 2nd baseman than Robbie

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I will. Cano is having a better season. Pedroia has had a better career.

And that's over. From here on out, Cano will complete dominate this little head to head competition.

Five years from now, when Pedroia is out of baseball and Cano is gunning for his third or fourth MVP you won't be shooting your mouth off.

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All of you shut the f#ck up.

Im stuck with Luis F#cking Castillo.

Waa. My awesome second baseman is better than yours. No, Mine's better. Waa.

So f#ck all of you whining and bitching about which awesome second baseman is better. F#ck you. F#ck all of you.

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All of you shut the f#ck up.

Im stuck with Luis F#cking Castillo.

Waa. My awesome second baseman is better than yours. No, Mine's better. Waa.

So f#ck all of you whining and bitching about which awesome second baseman is better. F#ck you. F#ck all of you.

You would be doing your happy dance if this was 10 years ago.

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Honestly, there may not be a better fielding 2nd baseman than Robbie

Utley is the best in the field too.

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Gritheartscraptoughitude > ability to produce an above-average OPS

Edited by dbatesman

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And that's over. From here on out, Cano will complete dominate this little head to head competition.

Five years from now, when Pedroia is out of baseball and Cano is gunning for his third or fourth MVP you won't be shooting your mouth off.

:roll:

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You would be doing your happy dance if this was 10 years ago.

But he wasn't even with the Mets then . :biggrin:

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pedroia: .251/.331/.425, 8 homers, 29 RBI in 247 at bats. also a 99 OPS+ (100 is average)

cano: .376/.419/.616, 12 Homers, 46 RBI in 236 at-bats. a 181 OPS+ (100 is average)

now I'll debate the Yankees lineup is FAR superior to the Red Sox lineup, but CrazyCarl seems to think the Sawx lineup is a great lineup even with Mike Cameron relpacing Jason Bay. I would cut Pedroia some slack for this but since CC says the Sawx lineup is great I cannot cut PEdroia slack.

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And that's over. From here on out, Cano will complete dominate this little head to head competition.

Five years from now, when Pedroia is out of baseball and Cano is gunning for his third or fourth MVP you won't be shooting your mouth off.

Why would Pedroia be out of baseball in 5 years? Unless there is a devastating injury it wouldn't make sense. And if Cano wins 4 MVPs in his career I'll get his face tattooed on my neck. There are far more talented and important to their players teams than Robinson Cano. As long as Mauer, Morneau, Miggy, and others are in the AL, he'll find it tough sledding to win multiple MVPs.

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look at their careers

pedroia: 110 OPS+

cano: 118 OPS+

plus better defense and Cano is just better

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Better defense? Besides the GG that Pedroia has and his career .991 fielding percentage, what would make Cano and his no gold glove and his .983 fielding percentage better?

Cano has the better arm...better at turning two.

Both are good defensively.

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But he wasn't even with the Mets then . :biggrin:

It is not my fault they were 10 years behind the power curve.

And that's over. From here on out, Cano will complete dominate this little head to head competition.

Five years from now, when Pedroia is out of baseball and Cano is gunning for his third or fourth MVP you won't be shooting your mouth off.

Didn't you redict that Brady would be a Arena League QB about 9 years ago? :rolleyes: How did that one work out?

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Cano has left Pedroia in the dust. He's clearly the better player. He's now closer to Utley.

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Better defense? Besides the GG that Pedroia has and his career .991 fielding percentage, what would make Cano and his no gold glove and his .983 fielding percentage better?

Gold gloves... awww! How cute.

I believe Derek Jeter has 4 of those. Would you say he's an elite defensive shortstop?

Edited by Tyler Durden

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hey CrazyCarl

did you know Rafael Palmeiro won a gold glove when playing 29 games of defense and DHing the rest of the year?

so much for your gold glove argument

as for Cano, he's far superior physically and Pedroia's too short to be a long term star.

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Cano has left Pedroia in the dust. He's clearly the better player. He's now closer to Utley.

:rolleyes:

Cano is a real good player and given Lil' Dusty's stature, should always have superior offensive numbers.

Let's be honest, there is a huge difference being counted on and being the 4th or 5th best player in the lineup. Cano goes into a slump I doubt there are too many threads contemplating dropping him in the order.

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LBS how is the 66 million dollar man doing for the Mess? At least Cameron was injured. Why does Jayson only have 3 homeruns?

Givenhis streaky nature, he is due a tear where he ushes his totals up.

Bay was a stupid signing. Said it before it happened. Said it after it happened.

Wrong player for Sh!tty Field.

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Bay was a stupid signing. Said it before it happened. Said it after it happened.

Wrong player for Sh!tty Field.

Ridiculous money for a guy that is that streaky. Bay is a nice player, but nor worth what he is paid. Especially for the point blackout is trying and failing to make. :rolleyes:

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Ridiculous money for a guy that is that streaky. Bay is a nice player, but nor worth what he is paid. Especially for the point blackout is trying and failing to make. :rolleyes:

You said he was an upgrade over Manny?

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You said he was an upgrade over Manny?

I am dumb, but not that dumb.

Given the situation and not that tool on Jersey Shore....Bay was about as good as you can do in a 50 cent on the dollar trade.

You can deal with bat $hit crazy Manny when he crushing 40+ HRs a season.

When he is a .300 guy or lower, not so much.

Bay is and will always be a better teammate. While Bay has his Manny like streaks, one is a potential HofFer. One is not.

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Bay was a stupid signing. Said it before it happened. Said it after it happened.

Wrong player for Sh!tty Field.

Absolutely !! Those deep power gaps will keep his HR's in single digits unless he learns to pull everything down the lines. I waish he would have resigned with Boston.

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Now he's too short to be a good player? Come on. This is getting ridiculous.

look spin doctor, i said LONG TERM

athletes lose their hops quickly...what good is a 5'6 2nd baseman who can't jump?

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Cano is a better hitter. Pedroia is a better fielder. Utley is a better hitter and fielder than both of them.

I like Pedroia over Cano because of his attitude but both are terrific.

Edited by WWWWombat

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By John Kruk

ESPN

It's not an aberration; the Yankees' Robinson Cano is for real. This season, the second baseman is already leaving last season's stats in the dust. He's gone from batting .320 with a .357 on-base percentage to batting .371 with a .418 on-base percentage.

The fact that Cano is already batting above .370 for the year is just one indication of his potential to rack up three or four batting titles. It took awhile for him to figure out that once you have your fourth and fifth at-bat in a blowout game, you can't give up at-bats. Sometimes Cano had games where after the third or fourth at-bat, if the game was out of hand, he would have a throwaway at-bat where he would swing at a bad pitch and ground out or pop up.

I talked to Don Mattingly and Larry Bowa, and we all agree that Robinson Cano can win multiple batting titles. Cano's swing is very dynamic and he has the ability to hit an inside pitch and crank it the opposite way. Not a lot of guys can do that. There are so many guys with robotic swings, but Cano has the ability to make adjustments in the middle of his swing, much like Derek Jeter.

Batting fifth in the Yankees' lineup has certainly helped Cano improve, but I think eventually he will move up to hit third. The third spot is usually where your best hitter hits, and he is their best hitter. With Mark Teixeira and Alex Rodriguez there it's a tough sell, but I'm confident Cano will move up. There aren't too many guys who can hit anywhere in the lineup, but he's one of them.

There were several times last year when Cano was overaggressive; he didn't let the game come to him, he went to the game. Ultimately, it made it easier for pitchers to figure him out. This year he's not making it easy.

Cano is a student of the game and is finally starting to understand what pitchers are trying to do to him at the plate. The hardest thing for a young hitter to realize is when you're being pitched around and when you're being pitched to. Cano knows what he can handle. When it's not in the zone he's looking for, he'll just wait. He doesn't give up the easy outs anymore.

The best is yet to come for Cano. One would think we should marvel at what Cano is doing as he is building an MVP-caliber season, but I believe it will become status quo for him. Much like you can pencil in Derek Jeter for 200 hits and a .300 batting average, I think you can pencil Cano in for .340 average, 20-30 homers and 100 RBIs from here until the end of his career.

John Kruk is an analyst for "Baseball Tonight."

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