Better Know a Rival: Miami Dolphins

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25 May

Better Know a Rival: The Miami Dolphins

Kicked off on May 25, 2010 at 4:36 PM by Max V.V.

Filed under: Outside the Jets | Foreverlink

Tags: Al Groh, Chad Pennington, Curtis Martin, Jason Taylor, Ken O'Brien, Laveranues Coles, Rex Ryan, Richard Todd, Vinny Testaverde, Wayne Chrebet

For the next three days, the Jets Kvetch will be taking a closer look at our AFC East rivals, examining what we can expect from each of them in 2010, and assessing the current state of our respective rivalries. For a lot of us, these rivalries are what make football so special, and there’s no question that in any year, under any circumstances, a loss to the Patriots, Dolphins or Bills stings all that much harder, while a win could be enough to shine a light into even the gloomiest of seasons. Today we’ll look at the first of these three divisional foes: the Miami Dolphins.

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Pats or Fins? Pats or Fins? Who do we hate more? I put that question to our reader base in the Jets Kvetch 2010 Fan Census, and

the overwhelming response was that it is New England whom we despise the most. I can understand that, but let’s be clear: Miami is our historical nemesis. We’ve met every year since the Fins were founded in 1966, and unlike our meetings with the Patriots, these games were regularly competitive from the start. After all, at the time the Jets were en route to a Super Bowl, and the Dolphins would prove to be hot out of the gate, going from AFL expansion team to undefeated NFL champions in just six years. While the Jets may have won the first eight meetings, Miami positively dominated New York in the 1970s, taking all but two contests between 1970 and 1977.

It is not surprising that two of the worst moments in Jets history and one of the best both came against the Fins. In 1982, the teams met in the AFC Championship, the only time they would do so. The Dolphins, filthy fish that they are, ensured muddy conditions by ordering the groundscrew to keep the tarp off the field, creating an unbearably sloppy playing surface (think Heinz Field during a drought) that negated our substantial running advantage. The ‘Mud Bowl’ featured ten turnovers, five of them committed by Richard Todd, and the Dolphins won 14-0 en route to yet another Super Bowl appearance.

The good news is that they lost, and haven’t won one since, which is particularly bad news for the man we passed on in the very next draft: Dan Marino.

Here’s what Rex Ryan thinks of Miami!

While Marino might be the greatest player to never win a championship, he certainly did have some great moments against the Jets. On September 21, 1986, Marino and Ken O’Brien combined for almost 1,000 passing yards in a Jets win. The Fins got their revenge later that year on Monday Night Football, defeating us to take the division title. November 27, 1994 marked one of the most painful days in Jets history…the Fake Spike Game. Miami led the AFC East by one game, but New York had outplayed them badly for much of the game, at one point leading 24-6. The gap soon narrowed, and down 24-21 in the fourth quarter, Marino had his team perched on the Jets’ 5-yard line with thirty seconds remaining on the clock (and ticking). Marino went to spike the ball, which would have stopped the clock and set up the field goal unit to send the game into overtime. Instead, he pulled away from under center and flung the ball to Mark Ingram for a touchdown. Our season was over, and the dark days of Kotite soon fell upon us.

Ah, but then there’s the Monday Night Miracle, one of the most beautiful nights we have ever known. The 1,000 or so chilly souls who stuck around until 1am ought to be enshrined in the Hall of Fans, for if there could be a purer, more exuberant image of how great it can be to be a Jet when times are good, I have not seen it. The shouting! The jumping! The screaming! Al Groh said it was as though 200,000 were in attendance. Sadly, I was not among them. I was only twelve years old then, and my parents didn’t allow me to attend night games, and I suppose that staying out until 2 probably wasn’t in my best interests. My father didn’t stick around until the end, either. He and my grandparents hit the road before the fourth quarter, like most everyone else. It was a decision I’m not sure he’ll ever live down. The Miracle was a cornerstone moment for the Jets, and one that seemed to mirror the unflappable personality of our team. Down 30-7 at the start of the final quarter, Vinny Testaverde, Lavernaeus Coles, Wayne Chrebet, Curtis Martin and others helped rattle off over 20 first downs and 23 unanswered points (seven of which came off of a remarkable interception of an interception by Coles in the end zone). As we know, the final score in regulation was a bobbled touchdown by the enormous offensive tackle Jumbo Elliot, who had never before caught an NFL pass. That’s movie stuff, man. That stuff will make you cry.

Jason Taylor: Douchebag then, douchebag now.

Miami games simply didn’t mean as much this decade. Sometimes we won, sometimes they won, but usually we were both nothing but tiny insects crawling at the feet of the Patriots juggernaut. The presence of such a massive common enemy stymied the flow of our traditional ire. But when New England’s grip on the East began to weaken in 2008, and the Jets and the Dolphins, each coming off one of the worst seasons in each of their respective histories, transformed into annual competitors, things have heated up in a way not seen since the early 90s. The events of the past two years have only furthered this trend: Chad Pennington’s stint in South Florida, Jason Taylor’s defection; the Dolphins eliminating the Jets to win the division, then sweeping them next year only to see Gang Green come within a game of playing the Super Bowl in their stadium. All of this has returned us to our natural state of polarization. If this year shakes out the way many of us think it will, then the Miami-New York rivalry is about to get as white hot as it has ever been, and I could not be more enthralled.

Dolphans, I see your points. Both of them.

[PS17]

is all I have to add on this topic.

[GMJohnson]

This oughta be interesting...

[stoicsentry]

We're gonna sweep the Phins this year I bet.

[GMJohnson]

We're gonna sweep the Phins this year I bet.

Seeing as how we've beaten you 3 straight, and swept you w/ our backup QB, I think you "hope", or you "wish" would be more appropriate .

[billo83]

Seeing as how we've beaten you 3 straight, and swept you w/ our backup QB, I think you "hope", or you "wish" would be more appropriate .

It's not like we beat you 8 STRAIGHT games this past decade and dominated you for the majority of the decade now is it?

BTW - how did you do in the playoffs last season? Oh wait, never mind!

[GreenBeans]

Seeing as how we've beaten you 3 straight, and swept you w/ our backup QB, I think you "hope", or you "wish" would be more appropriate .

A couple of questions for the Dolphin defense:

1. Pass rush (as in do the Dolphins have one)?

2. Safeties (again, as in do the Dolphins have those)?

With the Jets offensive firepower this year, it should be interesting to see how Nolan and the Dolphins scheme against Edwards, Holmes, Cotchery, Keller, Greene/LT. I'm particularly interested to see how the Dolphins - and teams in general - deal with 3 wides, Keller, and LT in the backfield on 3rd and 4 or less.

Rivalries are tough, but hope or wish are not quite the words I'd pick at the moment.

[GMJohnson]

It's not like we beat you 8 STRAIGHT games this past decade and dominated you for the majority of the decade now is it?

BTW - how did you do in the playoffs last season? Oh wait, never mind!

This past decade? Come on man, youre seriously reaching lol. Nah we didnt make the playoffs, but name me a team who lost their starting QB in Week 3, replaced him with a first time NFL starter, but still made the playoffs that year. The 12 teams who made the playoffs last year lost thier QBs for 6 games TOTAL. We lost our for 13.5 games. Still swept the Jets but thats old news, cant wait to come in here and talk smack in September lol .

[GMJohnson]

A couple of questions for the Dolphin defense:

1. Pass rush (as in do the Dolphins have one)?

2. Safeties (again, as in do the Dolphins have those)?

With the Jets offensive firepower this year, it should be interesting to see how Nolan and the Dolphins scheme against Edwards, Holmes, Cotchery, Keller, Greene/LT. I'm particularly interested to see how the Dolphins - and teams in general - deal with 3 wides, Keller, and LT in the backfield on 3rd and 4 or less.

Rivalries are tough, but hope or wish are not quite the words I'd pick at the moment.

Wake is a decent pass rusher, and Starks can give you 5-7 sacks, but outside of that, we dont really have any one on one beat his man type pass rushers. So it'll have to be scheme, blitzes, stunts etc that we use to generate pressure. I mean you guys generated a ton of pressure last year w/o having a single guy who could consistently beat his man one on one, it was all scheme. Hoopefully Nolan can come up w/ something, if not, youre right, we'll struggle to generate pressure.

IMO the main problem was the LBs couldnt cover anyone, and there was a domino effect that screwed up all of our coverages. We could only play quarters and man, unless we blitzed, and none of LBs are effective blitzers like say a Harris or Scott. We had rookies at CB, and a poor pass rush, so yeah, alot of Miami fans wanna blame Gibril Wilson, but he's a SS anyway, and he was put in an impossible position with what he was asked to do. This year, Dansby will be able to cover the middle of the field so whoever the FS is will be able to stay deep middle and/or help the DBs like he's supposed to do. If you wanna poke holes at us, I think you should look at the front 7, just my two cents.

How are teams gonna deal with the Jets offense? I still think your best option is to run the ball and hide Mark Sanchez, then when teams over play the run, look for the big play. Opening up the pass game with the WRs is a bad idea IMO, as an opponent I'd love to see Sanchez throwing a bunch of passes, it means Im going to win. You guys got hot and started winning when Sanchez stopped throwing and stopped turning it over, so why go away from that? I think that you guys will be able to run over people with Green as long as he's healthy, and use Sanchez to take shots in the play action game. I think you'll struggle against teams like Baltimore, Minneasota, NE, Miami, etc, teams who can slow down your run game w/o having to completely sell out like Cincy, San Diego and Indy (the teams you played in the PO). Sae goes for us, we can still smashmouth teams, and use Marshall when they get to close to the line of scrimmage. But we'll have problems with teams who can play us honest and still slow down the run. Cant wait to see what happens.

[GreenBeans]

Wake is a decent pass rusher, and Starks can give you 5-7 sacks, but outside of that, we dont really have any one on one beat his man type pass rushers. So it'll have to be scheme, blitzes, stunts etc that we use to generate pressure. I mean you guys generated a ton of pressure last year w/o having a single guy who could consistently beat his man one on one, it was all scheme. Hoopefully Nolan can come up w/ something, if not, youre right, we'll struggle to generate pressure.

IMO the main problem was the LBs couldnt cover anyone, and there was a domino effect that screwed up all of our coverages. We could only play quarters and man, unless we blitzed, and none of LBs are effective blitzers like say a Harris or Scott. We had rookies at CB, and a poor pass rush, so yeah, alot of Miami fans wanna blame Gibril Wilson, but he's a SS anyway, and he was put in an impossible position with what he was asked to do. This year, Dansby will be able to cover the middle of the field so whoever the FS is will be able to stay deep middle and/or help the DBs like he's supposed to do. If you wanna poke holes at us, I think you should look at the front 7, just my two cents.

How are teams gonna deal with the Jets offense? I still think your best option is to run the ball and hide Mark Sanchez, then when teams over play the run, look for the big play. Opening up the pass game with the WRs is a bad idea IMO, as an opponent I'd love to see Sanchez throwing a bunch of passes, it means Im going to win. You guys got hot and started winning when Sanchez stopped throwing and stopped turning it over, so why go away from that? I think that you guys will be able to run over people with Green as long as he's healthy, and use Sanchez to take shots in the play action game. I think you'll struggle against teams like Baltimore, Minneasota, NE, Miami, etc, teams who can slow down your run game w/o having to completely sell out like Cincy, San Diego and Indy (the teams you played in the PO). Sae goes for us, we can still smashmouth teams, and use Marshall when they get to close to the line of scrimmage. But we'll have problems with teams who can play us honest and still slow down the run. Cant wait to see what happens.

The pass rush question was the introduction into the front 7 - and you did a very good and honest job with your assessment. You know your team a whole lot better than I know your team, so I'll trust your opinion of last year's deficiencies. The issue with your front 7 this year, from my view, is that you don't rush the passer well (man for man, not via scheme - Nolan will come up with something there, guaranteed) and I'm not real sure your front is going to be able to stop the run real well either. But again, I'm sure that Nolan will get guys in the right places to make plays most of the time. The question is will they be able to make them?

The off season speculation is nice and all, but I can't wait to see it on the field.

Just saw you added the some thoughts on the Jets offense, so let me add some as well. I'm 99% sure that the 2010 Jets will be a run-first team, very similar to the Steelers prior to Tomlin. Rex Ryan LOVES to run the ball and will demand that it is the first and most important aspect of the offense. Having the ability to spread the field and the threat to hit on a big play at any time will only allow the run to be more effective. That's why I threw out the 3rd and medium scenario - you can run with LT or screen to LT because the defense will have to honor the options to throw on the field with the WRs and Keller. Crowd the line and playing man up in that scenario opens the door to the big play. Protect the big play and LT can still gash you for a first down. The Jets in a 3rd and medium situation will be a b!tch for defenses to handle. But I agree, the Jets should remain a "ground and pound" run-first team, and I think they will be for the foreseeable future.

[billo83]

This past decade? Come on man, youre seriously reaching lol. Nah we didnt make the playoffs, but name me a team who lost their starting QB in Week 3, replaced him with a first time NFL starter, but still made the playoffs that year. The 12 teams who made the playoffs last year lost thier QBs for 6 games TOTAL. We lost our for 13.5 games. Still swept the Jets but thats old news, cant wait to come in here and talk smack in September lol .

I'm too lazy to look it up, but I'm pretty sure it was 8 games and I remember it being mentioned in another thread. Feel free to look it up.

As far as losing the starting QB, excuses, excuses, excuses. No one cared (nor did the Jets make any excuses) when the Jets lost Testaverde in the 1st game of the 99 season which should have been a SB season. Football is a team sport, and injuries are no excuse.

At any rate, if you really believe the Phags will sweep the Jets this season you are on some serious drugs. You BARELY beat us both games, and we had a ROOKIE at QB and a rookie HC. Rex will treat the first Fish game like he did last year with the Cheaters, and that means you are Tuna Fish.

[hoping4ASuperBowl]

This past decade? Come on man, youre seriously reaching lol. Nah we didnt make the playoffs, but name me a team who lost their starting QB in Week 3, replaced him with a first time NFL starter, but still made the playoffs that year. The 12 teams who made the playoffs last year lost thier QBs for 6 games TOTAL. We lost our for 13.5 games. Still swept the Jets but thats old news, cant wait to come in here and talk smack in September lol .

We got into the playoffs with a rookie QB with a grand total of 16 college starts. Henne had a year to sit and 4 years of college experience also.

[GMJohnson]

I'm too lazy to look it up, but I'm pretty sure it was 8 games and I remember it being mentioned in another thread. Feel free to look it up.

As far as losing the starting QB, excuses, excuses, excuses. No one cared (nor did the Jets make any excuses) when the Jets lost Testaverde in the 1st game of the 99 season which should have been a SB season. Football is a team sport, and injuries are no excuse.

At any rate, if you really believe the Phags will sweep the Jets this season you are on some serious drugs. You BARELY beat us both games, and we had a ROOKIE at QB and a rookie HC. Rex will treat the first Fish game like he did last year with the Cheaters, and that means you are Tuna Fish.

Yeah it was definetely 8 games in a row. Dont remember the specifics, and I dont really want to smh. I'll withdraw the Henne/QB arguement, cuz yeah, it is an excuse. But so is the "barely beat us" arguement, the rookie QB/HC etc.

I think the Jets/Miami rivalry will develop along the lines of how Henne and Sanchez develop. I've seen Sanchez with a #1 target (Braylon), a great (and healthy) OL, and a dominant defense. Henne didnt have any of that last year, so Im anxious to see what he can do with a decent defense, Marshall, and his OL in tact.

[GMJohnson]

We got into the playoffs with a rookie QB with a grand total of 16 college starts. Henne had a year to sit and 4 years of college experience also.

Cant argue with any of that. What I can say is that I've watched both QBs closely, and Henne is quite a ways ahead of Sanchez last year. Probably for the same reasons you alluded to, year to sit, 4 year starter etc, but theyre both in their second years as "the man" so can we agree to do away with their histories and just go by performance this year?

[billo83]

Yeah it was definetely 8 games in a row. Dont remember the specifics, and I dont really want to smh. I'll withdraw the Henne/QB arguement, cuz yeah, it is an excuse. But so is the "barely beat us" arguement, the rookie QB/HC etc.

I think the Jets/Miami rivalry will develop along the lines of how Henne and Sanchez develop. I've seen Sanchez with a #1 target (Braylon), a great (and healthy) OL, and a dominant defense. Henne didnt have any of that last year, so Im anxious to see what he can do with a decent defense, Marshall, and his OL in tact.

Touche on the excuses.

I've seen in your other posts that you don't think much of Sanchez. Don't forget that Sanchez was just a rookie starting QB last year and most likely will improve. Plus, Sanchez showed great improvement and played well late in the season and in the playoffs when all of the marbles were on the line, unlike Henne who did not play well late in the season. I think Sanchez will surprise you.

But I agree with you to a certain extent, that a good deal of the rivalry will be on this QB battle. However, in the short term the Jets D is far superior to the Fish D and that may negate any slight difference in the QB's.

[gangreenman]

Touche on the excuses.

I've seen in your other posts that you don't think much of Sanchez. Don't forget that Sanchez was just a rookie starting QB last year and most likely will improve. Plus, Sanchez showed great improvement and played well late in the season and in the playoffs when all of the marbles were on the line, unlike Henne who did not play well late in the season. I think Sanchez will surprise you.

But I agree with you to a certain extent, that a good deal of the rivalry will be on this QB battle. However, in the short term the Jets D is far superior to the Fish D and that may negate any slight difference in the QB's.

This. I think putting Sanchez under the gun right away and going the baptism by fire route was the best thing for Sanchez. In his first 3 games he was damn near perfect, as was the team...The result was 3-0 and the NY Media and fans hyping him as the best thing to come along since sliced bread and running water. The next eight or nine weeks were a completely different story. Some games he would have multiple turnovers and cost us games we could have and should have won... Some games he played well enough to win, but didn't because the defense or Special Teams collapsed at the wrong times... The middle part of his season consisted of ugly play, losing streaks, bad losses, and a few "ugly wins". He went from the next Joe Namath to the next Ryan Leaf in the eyes of the media and fans in no more than two short months. He then started figuring it out as the season winded down. He stopped trying to be a hero, stopped trying to do it all himself, started letting the game come to him. The result was 3 straight wins to get us into the playoffs, and another 2 wins once we got there. He had as good of a game as you could have asked in our 3rd playoff game, but Peyton Manning and that prolific Colts offense proved too much for our defense in the end.

He learned what it was like to prove doubters and nay-sayers wrong by winning at the start...Followed by the loneliness and sadness that accompanied falling apart for the middle part. He eventually began to learn from the mistakes he had been making in middle and learned to play within the game, as opposed to forcing the action and committing stupid and costly turnovers.

That was all in his rookie year, and we STILL made it all the way to the AFC Championship game, and within 30 minutes of the Super Bowl. He has now had a full offseason to do nothing but rehab his knee, watch tape of his rookie year, talk to coaches, and get closer with teammates. Nevermind all the additions we made to the team this offseason, I think we can expect a much improved Sanchez in the pocket this season.

[s dubb]

This past decade? Come on man, youre seriously reaching lol. Nah we didnt make the playoffs, but name me a team who lost their starting QB in Week 3, replaced him with a first time NFL starter, but still made the playoffs that year. The 12 teams who made the playoffs last year lost thier QBs for 6 games TOTAL. We lost our for 13.5 games. Still swept the Jets but thats old news, cant wait to come in here and talk smack in September lol .

Talking with Dolphin fans is absolutely useless. The last 10 years is relevant isn't it not?.. Dolphin fans say we reach when we talk about playoff appearences and just flat out owning them the past 10 years. Dolphin fans say we reach.

But yet, said Dolphin fan will resort to talks of Marino or the undefeated season to combat Jet fans with, after saying we reached for mentioning the past 10 years.

Miami got lucky with their last 2 wins. 1 win coming in the dying seconds and also Tedd Ginn, then the other one by way of Ted Ginn. Ummmm where's Tedd Ginn now?

Also EVEN WHEN THE JETS ARE AT THEIR WORST 2007 (4-12) 2 of those wins came by way of the stinky Fish.

Bro, you had no reason winning those games last year be thankful the Jets had some mental errors.

Becareful Dolfeen fan. Becareful

[GMJohnson]

Talking with Dolphin fans is absolutely useless. The last 10 years is relevant isn't it not?.. Dolphin fans say we reach when we talk about playoff appearences and just flat out owning them the past 10 years. Dolphin fans say we reach.

But yet, said Dolphin fan will resort to talks of Marino or the undefeated season to combat Jet fans with, after saying we reached for mentioning the past 10 years.

Miami got lucky with their last 2 wins. 1 win coming in the dying seconds and also Tedd Ginn, then the other one by way of Ted Ginn. Ummmm where's Tedd Ginn now?

Also EVEN WHEN THE JETS ARE AT THEIR WORST 2007 (4-12) 2 of those wins came by way of the stinky Fish.

Bro, you had no reason winning those games last year be thankful the Jets had some mental errors.

Becareful Dolfeen fan. Becareful

Jeez Louise this is what bothers me. Some, and I emphasize SOME, Jets fans just have zero respect for thier rivals. You only see things thru the green prism, and you totally ignore the fact that it was the Jets, not the Fins who were lucky last year. I already explained the injury situation in a previous post so I wont go there again. But lets not forget TWO successful fake punts in the Monday night game. Didnt fool anyone but Cam Wake gets juked by the punter, then Porter misses a tackle on the second fake punt. That led to 10 points and kept you in the game. Then theres the bogus P.I. call on Will Allen that set up another TD. Ish happens but please, please dont tell me that was a "lucky" win. It wasnt. Second game wasnt "lucky" either, maybe you need to watch it again. Returning a KO for a TD isnt luck, its either great eturn skills, poor coverage or both. Soliai strips your star RB and J.T. takes it to the house. Thats not luck, thats a Fins player making a play, but since you dont like giving credit where its due, Im not suprised you'd be a little confused about it. If anything, luck was on your side b/c Davonne Bess muffs a punt after calling for a fair catch when we're up 17-6 with the ball, but he plays for Miami so I wont make excuses, we shoulda had a guy who can catch back there. The only lucky break we got that game was when Bess fumbled AGAIN, but the ref blew the whistle. Sean Smith almost had a pick six but he dropped it, and you guys scored a couple plays later. So please dont give me that you guys got lucky, makes you sound like a cry baby, and uniformed cry baby at that.

[hoping4ASuperBowl]

Cant argue with any of that. What I can say is that I've watched both QBs closely, and Henne is quite a ways ahead of Sanchez last year. Probably for the same reasons you alluded to, year to sit, 4 year starter etc, but theyre both in their second years as "the man" so can we agree to do away with their histories and just go by performance this year?

I'll agree with that. Both QB's should be comfortable enough that it's all about performance now.

[JiFtheOracle]

This past decade? Come on man, youre seriously reaching lol. Nah we didnt make the playoffs, but name me a team who lost their starting QB in Week 3, replaced him with a first time NFL starter, but still made the playoffs that year. The 12 teams who made the playoffs last year lost thier QBs for 6 games TOTAL. We lost our for 13.5 games. Still swept the Jets but thats old news, cant wait to come in here and talk smack in September lol .

First off, you were better off with Henne over Penningturd.

Secondly, we were playing with a rookie QB...so whats the difference?

You guys beat us the last 3 games. Nobody is taking that away from you. Lord knows, you guys needed it after the domination we've had on you guys for the last decade.

Cherish this, because I think things will return to the norm and Jets will dominate again, but meh, what do I know? I cant predict the future.

[crashingjet]

Jeez Louise this is what bothers me. Some, and I emphasize SOME, Jets fans just have zero respect for thier rivals. You only see things thru the green prism, and you totally ignore the fact that it was the Jets, not the Fins who were lucky last year. I already explained the injury situation in a previous post so I wont go there again. But lets not forget TWO successful fake punts in the Monday night game. Didnt fool anyone but Cam Wake gets juked by the punter, then Porter misses a tackle on the second fake punt. That led to 10 points and kept you in the game. Then theres the bogus P.I. call on Will Allen that set up another TD. Ish happens but please, please dont tell me that was a "lucky" win. It wasnt. Second game wasnt "lucky" either, maybe you need to watch it again. Returning a KO for a TD isnt luck, its either great eturn skills, poor coverage or both. Soliai strips your star RB and J.T. takes it to the house. Thats not luck, thats a Fins player making a play, but since you dont like giving credit where its due, Im not suprised you'd be a little confused about it. If anything, luck was on your side b/c Davonne Bess muffs a punt after calling for a fair catch when we're up 17-6 with the ball, but he plays for Miami so I wont make excuses, we shoulda had a guy who can catch back there. The only lucky break we got that game was when Bess fumbled AGAIN, but the ref blew the whistle. Sean Smith almost had a pick six but he dropped it, and you guys scored a couple plays later. So please dont give me that you guys got lucky, makes you sound like a cry baby, and uniformed cry baby at that.

****in' A, man, F-ing A.

Whatcha' drinkin, I'm buying a round for that post.

[#27TheDominator]

Who is writing these things? I think the first one was good, but this doesn't mention anything much about 2010. Most of us can recite the stats, high and lowlights of the rivalry. What about the 2010 Dolphins? Ronnie's foot? Moving Starks inside? Marshall? Is Richie Incognito a personal foul waiting to happen?

[Jetsfan80]

Who is writing these things? I think the first one was good, but this doesn't mention anything much about 2010. Most of us can recite the stats, high and lowlights of the rivalry. What about the 2010 Dolphins? Ronnie's foot? Moving Starks inside? Marshall? Is Richie Incognito a personal foul waiting to happen?

Ronnie's foot will be fine. Starks inside will be a disaster. Marshall will get suspended for a minimum of 2 games this season, as Miami is a much easier city to get in trouble in than Denver. And yes, Richie Incognito IS a walking penalty; I saw some Rams games last season and he may be the dumbest lineman in the game. I guarantee he ends up getting flung by Kris Jenkins, then gets up to talk trash to Bart Scott and draws flags. Some variant of this will happen at least 4 times next season.

[#27TheDominator]

Ronnie's foot will be fine. Starks inside will be a disaster. Marshall will get suspended for a minimum of 2 games this season, as Miami is a much easier city to get in trouble in than Denver. And yes, Richie Incognito IS a walking penalty; I saw some Rams games last season and he may be the dumbest lineman in the game. I guarantee he ends up getting flung by Kris Jenkins, then gets up to talk trash to Bart Scott and draws flags. Some variant of this will happen at least 4 times next season.

Fair enough, but this is the **** I'd expect to discuss in a know your rival what to expect in 2010 thread. Not the Miracle at the Meadowlands, the Fake Spike and an Old ***** Leaves the Tarp off the Field.

[s dubb]

Jeez Louise this is what bothers me. Some, and I emphasize SOME, Jets fans just have zero respect for thier rivals. You only see things thru the green prism, and you totally ignore the fact that it was the Jets, not the Fins who were lucky last year. I already explained the injury situation in a previous post so I wont go there again. But lets not forget TWO successful fake punts in the Monday night game. Didnt fool anyone but Cam Wake gets juked by the punter, then Porter misses a tackle on the second fake punt. That led to 10 points and kept you in the game. Then theres the bogus P.I. call on Will Allen that set up another TD. Ish happens but please, please dont tell me that was a "lucky" win. It wasnt. Second game wasnt "lucky" either, maybe you need to watch it again. Returning a KO for a TD isnt luck, its either great eturn skills, poor coverage or both. Soliai strips your star RB and J.T. takes it to the house. Thats not luck, thats a Fins player making a play, but since you dont like giving credit where its due, Im not suprised you'd be a little confused about it. If anything, luck was on your side b/c Davonne Bess muffs a punt after calling for a fair catch when we're up 17-6 with the ball, but he plays for Miami so I wont make excuses, we shoulda had a guy who can catch back there. The only lucky break we got that game was when Bess fumbled AGAIN, but the ref blew the whistle. Sean Smith almost had a pick six but he dropped it, and you guys scored a couple plays later. So please dont give me that you guys got lucky, makes you sound like a cry baby, and uniformed cry baby at that.

This is a typical Dolfeen comback, loaded with excuse after excuse. The Jets have the best special teams unit in the league on both sides of the ball, it's been like this for years now. However, it just so happens Tedd Ginn has the game of his life against us? back to back K.O's?.. LUCK!

It's useless conversing with Dolfeen fans because you typically get a post riddled with excuses and "what ifs"

AS for us, we got lucky last year to get into the playoffs. However, NOTHING was luck about beating Cinci twice and the Chargers to get to the AFC championship game. How we got to the playoffs was lucky, I agree. I mean no one can argue that. However, the Jets had mental lapses all year and a young Q.B that was asked to do to much to early. When we got to the playoffs, we played like we belonged. That can't be argued.

The phins never outplayed us once last year, they were the beneficiaries of a young Q.B in Sanchez making mistakes and a few blow plays by the Jets defense and the special teams.

Game 2 you guys scored 21 points without OFFENSE!!! HELLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! You guys were fortunate. Period, done END OF DISCUSSION!

[THE ILK]

The dolphags suck, and none of these trolls were even born the last time they won a playoff game!

[s dubb]

The dolphags suck, and none of these trolls were even born the last time they won a playoff game!

[rick34125]

wow, is that picture of the cheerleader from 2009 or 1972?