Armando Galarraga Near Perfect Game Debacle

[rillo]

More L's for Detroit

[Jbro22]

The whole situation sucks, but anyone who thinks they should have reversed after the game ended is crazy.

[Bugg]

The whole situation sucks, but anyone who thinks they should have reversed after the game ended is crazy.

Everyone, including the Indians and Jim Jopyce, know what happened was wrong. Changiong it to a pefect game for the record book would take a unearned hit away from one batter and take away a groundout from the batter who's last out would be expunged.

It can be done.

If they can have a Pine Tar Game, there's no good reason not to change this to the right result. 6Xipza9joNw If Selig doesn't change it he is a dick. But we already know that.

[Jbro22]

Everyone, including the Indians and Jim Jopyce, know what happened was wrong. Changiong it to a pefect game for the record book would take a unearned hit away from one batter and take away a groundout from the batter who's last out would be expunged.

It can be done.

If they can have a Pine Tar Game, there's no good reason not to change this to the right result. 6Xipza9joNw If Selig doesn't change it he is a dick. But we already know that.

Pine Tar call was changed immediately and didn't warrant a replay. We might as well go back and change every bad call if we change this one. There's been plenty. This one shines because of the situation, is Galarraga above everyone else?

The kid caught a bad break, it happens. Dierking is dead on in this one.

[Matt39]

The whole situation sucks, but anyone who thinks they should have reversed after the game ended is crazy.

Its just a game. Who cares in the grand scheme of things.

The kid obviously pitched a perfect game....if baseball decided to change the result, far worse tragedies in this world have happened.

The outcry was a bit over the top....but lets not treat baseball like something cant be changed. It isnt that big of a deal.

[THE ILK]

Everyone, including the Indians and Jim Jopyce, know what happened was wrong. Changiong it to a pefect game for the record book would take a unearned hit away from one batter and take away a groundout from the batter who's last out would be expunged.

It can be done.

If they can have a Pine Tar Game, there's no good reason not to change this to the right result. If Selig doesn't change it he is a dick. But we already know that.

Its just a game. Who cares in the grand scheme of things.

The kid obviously pitched a perfect game....if baseball decided to change the result, far worse tragedies in this world have happened.

The outcry was a bit over the top....but lets not treat baseball like something cant be changed. It isnt that big of a deal.

Exactly, It's not like they would have to do much. Nothing major would change at all, they call the out and take away the extra at bat that should have never happened and it's done.

As of right now the Kid pitched a perfect game plus one!

[neckdemon]

Pine Tar call was changed immediately and didn't warrant a replay. We might as well go back and change every bad call if we change this one. There's been plenty. This one shines because of the situation, is Galarraga above everyone else?

The kid caught a bad break, it happens. Dierking is dead on in this one.

why does everyone have to be so fu*king dramatic abotu this? no......no one has to go back and change all the bad calls that have been made in the game. wtf is the big deal here? the kid obviously pitched a perfect game. the umpire admitted he made the worst call of his career. give the kid a perfect game and it's fu*kin over with. selig is a p*ssy. the 2 people who have the most involvement in this wold be happy to see it get reversed....and in the end the right ending to the game would occur. of course there will be a few baseball purists who cry about it.........but who gives a sh*t.

[Jbro22]

why does everyone have to be so fu*king dramatic abotu this? no......no one has to go back and change all the bad calls that have been made in the game. wtf is the big deal here? the kid obviously pitched a perfect game. the umpire admitted he made the worst call of his career. give the kid a perfect game and it's fu*kin over with. selig is a p*ssy. the 2 people who have the most involvement in this wold be happy to see it get reversed....and in the end the right ending to the game would occur. of course there will be a few baseball purists who cry about it.........but who gives a sh*t.

Umm, Agree to disagree. Don't feel like going back and forth, no ones gonna change their stance on this.

[nickademus]

this ^

[greenerdaze]

This one shines because of the situation, is Galarraga above everyone else?

No, but the situation is - you even said so yourself.

That's why each case should be treated on an individual basis. If, hypothetically, the 28th batter had gotten a legit hit, and the game had taken a different course, there'd be too many consequential events to undue, too many stats to erase.

But instead, in this case, the very next batter did what all others did before him; made an out. Game over.

Galarraga's perfect game was still intact, so make it official. The cleanest, easiest solution.

[THE ILK]

Again, there is more history at stake here than just the kid's perfect game.

First time 3 perfect games pitched in 1 season.

2 in 4 days, beating out the first 2 and only other 2 in one season set in 1880 (2 in 5 days)

So you have the shortest amount of time elapsed between 2 and 3 perfect games. (previously 3 in something like 1445 days)

Considering that it took 24 years, to get the third one in after the first 2 were done in 5 days, 3 in a 24 days is quite remarkable.

That's too much history being robbed by a mistake everybody admits, and agrees was horrendous and crime like.

I think in this one instance they should have corrected this. While mistakes happen every game, perfect games don't happen everyday.

So far it only happened 20 times in 130 years, 18 in the Modern Era, 2 in the 19th Century.

I'm sorry but that's too rare of an event to lose to a mistake that nobody agrees with.

[THE ILK]

No, but the situation is - you even said so yourself.

That's why each case should be treated on an individual basis. If, hypothetically, the 28th batter had gotten a legit hit, and the game had taken a different course, there'd be too many consequential events to undue, too many stats to erase.

But instead, in this case, the very next batter did what all others did before him; made an out. Game over.

Galarraga's perfect game was still intact, so make it official. The cleanest, easiest solution.

I whole heartedly agree!

[Jetsfan80]

In the early 90's, Faye Vincent once called together a committee to retroactively remove about 50 or so no-hitters from the record books for various reasons.

There is a precedent for making a change like this. Selig is a vagina for not doing anything about it.

To those whining about the length of a baseball game, I propose the following solutions:

1) Install instant replay with conditions. Obviously, balls and strikes can't be reviewed, but safe and out, catch or no catch, fair or foul calls (including on HR's, which are already reviewable) would suffice.

2) Managers get 2 challenges per game, where they simply come out of the dugout and tell the ump they'd like to challenge it, much like if they came out to argue a call. As a deterrent for challenging anything, a failed challenge results in a ball or a strike, depending on the team challenging.

3) To counter the extra time added to games for challenges, a time limit for pitcher's to come to the plate (with runners on, the clock re-starts after a pickoff try) that is long overdue can be installed. Similar to the system in one college conference, a ball can be called if the pitcher takes too long, and meanwhile, a strike can be called on the batter if he steps out too many times. I'll trust that baseball could work out the kinks if such a rule were applied.

[greenerdaze]

Really, who cares how long a game is? This is a sport that plays on for as many innings as necessary for one team to win. They even play around rain delays.

A few minutes burned to review video certainly serves a worthy cause.

[Bugg]

In the early 90's, Faye Vincent once called together a committee to retroactively remove about 50 or so no-hitters from the record books for various reasons.

There is a precedent for making a change like this. Selig is a vagina for not doing anything about it.

To those whining about the length of a baseball game, I propose the following solutions:

1) Install instant replay with conditions. Obviously, balls and strikes can't be reviewed, but safe and out, catch or no catch, fair or foul calls (including on HR's, which are already reviewable) would suffice.

2) Managers get 2 challenges per game, where they simply come out of the dugout and tell the ump they'd like to challenge it, much like if they came out to argue a call. As a deterrent for challenging anything, a failed challenge results in a ball or a strike, depending on the team challenging.

3) To counter the extra time added to games for challenges, a time limit for pitcher's to come to the plate (with runners on, the clock re-starts after a pickoff try) that is long overdue can be installed. Similar to the system in one college conference, a ball can be called if the pitcher takes too long, and meanwhile, a strike can be called on the batter if he steps out too many times. I'll trust that baseball could work out the kinks if such a rule were applied.

Andy Hawkins had his losing no hitter yanked from the record book with no appeal nor discussion when they changed the requirements to be a no hitter to winning, and he was not happy. At various times researchers have amended hit totals and batting averages of Ty Cobb and Tris Speaker. So to chane this would not be unprecedented nor the end of the world.

Also the Pine Tar Game was a total mess, not a cut&dry thing-weeks of acrimony and press nonsense. Players had been traded in the interim. The orignal unmp crew was not available. The schedules mad it impossible but for one off day each team had, so the players wer angry over losing an off day in August. Brett getting tossed stood. Billy Martin was so pissed he played Ron Guidry in the outfield when play resumed weeks later and then claimed Brett had failed to touch all the bases, whcih the umpires were prepared for with sworn statements from the original ump crew that he had. This one time change and giving a guy back his righful achievement would hurt no one and be nowhere near as acrimonious.

[PFSIKH]

Andy Hawkins had his losing no hitter yanked from the record book with no appeal nor discussion when they changed the requirements to be a no hitter to winning, and he was not happy. At various times researchers have amended hit totals and batting averages of Ty Cobb and Tris Speaker. So to chane this would not be unprecedented nor the end of the world.

Also the Pine Tar Game was a total mess, not a cut&dry thing-weeks of acrimony and press nonsense. Players had been traded in the interim. The orignal unmp crew was not available. The schedules mad it impossible but for one off day each team had, so the players wer angry over losing an off day in August. Brett getting tossed stood. Billy Martin was so pissed he played Ron Guidry in the outfield when play resumed weeks later and then claimed Brett had failed to touch all the bases, whcih the umpires were prepared for with sworn statements from the original ump crew that he had. This one time change and giving a guy back his righful achievement would hurt no one and be nowhere near as acrimonious.

Apples and oranges.

They were given or lost stats that was credited to them wrongly.

I understand the argument for and agree this could easily be corrected because it is cut and dry.

Are you going to replay a game when it happens in the 5th instead of the last out? Or is it only on the 27th out you can over turn?

If you cannot do for all, do not do it for any.

Can you name the last 10 perfect game pitchers that happened prior to this season? Doubtful. He will be remembered longer for this.