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Villain, this is something I allow you to consider an invasion of privacy. ;)

Oh boy, the EU's back on the crusade path again. This time, the Brussels brain trust has decided it will end pedophilia, child pornography, and other miscreant activities by simply and easily recording everyone's search results. Because, as we all know, Google searches are the central cog by which the seedy underworld operates. Here's how Declaration 29 sees it:

Asks the Council and the Commission to implement Directive 2006/24/EC and extend it to search engines in order to tackle online child pornography and sex offending rapidly and effectively.

Directive 2006/24/EC is also known as the Data Retention Directive, and permits (nay, compels) states to keep track of all electronic communications, including phone calls, emails and browsing sessions. Describing the stupefying invasion of privacy that its expansion represents as an "early warning system," the European Parliament is currently collecting signatures from MEPs and is nearing the majority it requires to adopt the Declaration. Guess when Google does it, it's a horrible infraction of human rights, but when the EU does it, it's some noble life-saving endeavor.

Unsurprisingly, not everyone is convinced that sifting through people's search results will produce concrete crime-reducing results, and Swedish Pirate Party MEP Christian Engstrom puts together a very good explanation of what Written Declaration 29 entails and why it's such a bad idea. Give it a read, won't ya?

As per engadget.com...

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It's not an invasion of privacy, it's for the safety of children.........honestly, if you don't have anything to hide, why does it bother you?

Keeping a record of everything everybody does on the Internet or their telephone is for the safety of children? Are you out of your ****ing mind? Oh, wait...

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Keeping a record of everything everybody does on the Internet or their telephone is for the safety of children? Are you out of your ****ing mind? Oh, wait...

I badly want there to be a way to eradicate this stuff and those searching for it. As much as the "those who would sacrifice essential liberty..." quote from Franklin has much truth to it, I am willing to give up the liberty of carrying concealed firearms on an airplane to prevent insane others from having that ability, is something I am willing to give up. Sometimes these acts of limiting liberty are the very things in place that allow the rule of law to protect the liberties of the innocent and the law-abiding.

But this is insane and I've gotta agree with Bob 100% on this. The government forcing the recording of every innocent phone call and every innocent internet search made by every innocent person in an effort to get the 0.0000001% of internet searches for illegal child porn by guilty people is absurd and beyond scary. A little like having a police camera in my house - and everyone's house - just in case I do something unseemly someday.

This is some sick, Orwellian stuff.

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Keeping a record of everything everybody does on the Internet or their telephone is for the safety of children? Are you out of your ****ing mind? Oh, wait...

But hey, if you have nothing to hide, right? :bag:

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I badly want there to be a way to eradicate this stuff and those searching for it. As much as the "those who would sacrifice essential liberty..." quote from Franklin has much truth to it, I am willing to give up the liberty of carrying concealed firearms on an airplane to prevent insane others from having that ability, is something I am willing to give up. Sometimes these acts of limiting liberty are the very things in place that allow the rule of law to protect the liberties of the innocent and the law-abiding.

But this is insane and I've gotta agree with Bob 100% on this. The government forcing the recording of every innocent phone call and every innocent internet search made by every innocent person in an effort to get the 0.0000001% of internet searches for illegal child porn by guilty people is absurd and beyond scary. A little like having a police camera in my house - and everyone's house - just in case I do something unseemly someday.

This is some sick, Orwellian stuff.

Keeping a record of everything everybody does on the Internet or their telephone is for the safety of children? Are you out of your ****ing mind? Oh, wait...

What They Said ^

Hell what's next?? A law to allow me to just enter homes at random, without a warrant, to "Make sure there isn't any illegal activity going on"???????? Are people out of their minds??

Notice how the rallying cry is always "It's for the children".

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Let's say you're in Europe and you google "child pornography european union" to learn more about this ruling...are you now going to be harrassed by the government for that?

How does this help anything? Are you supposed to arrest everybody that might search for something that can be construed as child pornography? Anyone that actually wants to see child pornography would just use a proxy anyways, so it's useless.

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Villain, this is something I allow you to consider an invasion of privacy. ;)

I appreciate your allowance :-), however, I wont touch this too much. Telling the truth seems to put me in the paranoia/aluminum hat/I believe in UFO's category.

I will say this. The EU saying that they will track everyone's searches to crack down and stop the child pornography industry is like saying,..."In order to stop drug trafficking we should arrest the drug addicts.

How stupid do they think Europeans are? Then again, "if you dont have anything to hide then you shouldnt have a problem" (sarcasm).

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I will say this. The EU saying that they will track everyone's searches to crack down and stop the child pornography industry is like saying,..."In order to stop drug trafficking we should arrest the drug addicts.

That would still make more sense than this, which would - by an overwhelming majority - record and track the private doings of the innocent. What would make your analogy accurate is if, in an effort to stop drug trafficking, every citizen was patted down and x-ray'd whenever they walked into a new room or building.

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I appreciate your allowance :-), however, I wont touch this too much. Telling the truth seems to put me in the paranoia/aluminum hat/I believe in UFO's category.

I will say this. The EU saying that they will track everyone's searches to crack down and stop the child pornography industry is like saying,..."In order to stop drug trafficking we should arrest the drug addicts.

How stupid do they think Europeans are? Then again, "if you dont have anything to hide then you shouldnt have a problem" (sarcasm).

I don't see how that equates. If they want to crack down on child porn by arresting the child porn "addicts" I'm all for it. I just don't think that this is a legitimate way to go about doing that. I'm sure they'll have fun sorting through the dozens of Olivia Munn related searches I just performed for a friend who I owed a favor.

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That would still make more sense than this, which would - by an overwhelming majority - record and track the private doings of the innocent. What would make your analogy accurate is if, in an effort to stop drug trafficking, every citizen was patted down and x-ray'd whenever they walked into a new room or building.

My analogy shows that trying to stop something on the customer end and not the source doesnt fix the problem. Something making more sense doesnt mean that its the best sense. I know most people would say "How will you find out where the source is", and thats where my UFOlogy comes into play. These "higher-up" politicians/governments know exactly where the drugs are coming from, where the woman/child trafficing & pornography is coming from because they play a huge part in it. They'll have a better chance figuring out where the source of the child pornography is coming from by looking right in their back yard. If you want to know where the cocaine came in during the 80's then ask Bill Clinton about Mena arkansas and those Contra planes while he was governor. We're not talking about Tony Montana or Frank Lucus here...then again, the politicians arent talking about "stopping child porn", they're talking about monitoring YOU to see if you're searching for child porn. In order for them to do that though they have to check everything everyone does....lol. C'mon, Me and you together sperm can think of 20 different ways in 20 minutes that would be better than this ridiculous plan. It aint about protecting children, its a power grab, lets be for real here.

I don't see how that equates. If they want to crack down on child porn by arresting the child porn "addicts" I'm all for it. I just don't think that this is a legitimate way to go about doing that. I'm sure they'll have fun sorting through the dozens of Olivia Munn related searches I just performed for a friend who I owed a favor.

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My analogy shows that trying to stop something on the customer end and not the source doesnt fix the problem. Something making more sense doesnt mean that its the best sense.

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The major difference with this is that it doesn't affect child pornography "customers" exclusively, but also all those searching for something that could be interpreted as child pornographic-seeking searches. That's just a bureaucratic nightmare--do they actually pay people to look through key words or whatever for possible sex offenders? That won't work.

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The major difference with this is that it doesn't affect child pornography "customers" exclusively, but also all those searching for something that could be interpreted as child pornographic-seeking searches. That's just a bureaucratic nightmare--do they actually pay people to look through key words or whatever for possible sex offenders? That won't work.

No doubt. You think arresting drug addicts only affects the addicts? The bottomline is that child porn is the excuse to check everything you search for. Its not hard to tell.

there's a bigger picture. The child porn is what suppose to make you okay with having your searches monitored because "disagreeing" is like being "pro child porn". These people know what they're doing.

They probably dont like what im typing right now lmao.

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Garbage.. always for the children or safety.. They'll get it passed eventually, just need a high profile case to push it through. Put a little fear in us and most of us line up to hand in civil liberties. sad.. bunch a pussies

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Garbage.. always for the children or safety.. They'll get it passed eventually, just need a high profile case to push it through. Put a little fear in us and most of us line up to hand in civil liberties. sad.. bunch a pussies

Good point. Problem-Reation-Solution, sadly it works on us every time.

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Garbage.. always for the children or safety.. They'll get it passed eventually, just need a high profile case to push it through. Put a little fear in us and most of us line up to hand in civil liberties. sad.. bunch a pussies

False!, we're the "land of the free and home of the brave".

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Seems like you know alot about that....down to the "white van". Seems like you already had at it.

Actually, I know absolutely nothing about it. But, I saw a video on youtube once, so I can act like an expert.

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Actually, I know absolutely nothing about it. But, I saw a video on youtube once, so I can act like an expert.

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Well look at the vids you refer to. No wonder why you sound the way you do.

Its good to also read too you know.

Once read about a dude that picks his fights, yet has never drawn the line in the sand. It doesnt take an expert to know that dude would rather get pushed around than to confront the problem. Must have been castrated at birth.

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All I'm saying is, if you have nothing to hide, it's not a huge inconvenience to you.

I have everything to hide. Its my privacy.

Im going to make a little prediction here.

I will bet you that in 10 years computers will no longer have hard drives in them because there will be enough online storage for everyone. And they'll tell you that your information will be "private and secure".

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All I'm saying is, if you have nothing to hide, it's not a huge inconvenience to you.

Right, until some how your info gets leaked and then you'll be crying identity theft with no type of recourse because hey, you have nothing to hide, so it shouldn't be a huge inconvenience for you to take your identity back. All in the name of 'safety' and the 'children'.

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I have everything to hide. Its my privacy.

Im going to make a little prediction here.

I will bet you that in 10 years computers will no longer have hard drives in them because there will be enough online storage for everyone. And they'll tell you that your information will be "private and secure".

It's already here, isn't Google and M$ doing the cloud OS in the very near future? I'm a huge fan of Google, but I'm not feeling this 'cloud' concept.

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It's already here, isn't Google and M$ doing the cloud OS in the very near future? I'm a huge fan of Google, but I'm not feeling this 'cloud' concept.

Its been here years ago with window NT. Where you can have an entire network of computers working on "image" desktops.

When I say 10 years im leaning towards it being socially accepted and in use by the majority of homes.

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All I'm saying is, if you have nothing to hide, it's not a huge inconvenience to you.

I would like to be the first law enforcement official to try your new personal openness policy.

Please send me your address and I will show up with a few of my uniformed friends, at some time during the day (or night) and search your home/apartment/car to insure that you're not trafficking any form of illegal activity. All I'm saying is, if you have nothing to hide, it's not a huge inconvenience to you, right?

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All I'm saying is, if you have nothing to hide, it's not a huge inconvenience to you.

You assume, stupidly, that the only thing any of those searches will be used for is to root out child porn. Once they have the info, they can search out political dissenters or anyone else they choose.

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You assume, stupidly, that the only thing any of those searches will be used for is to root out child porn. Once they have the info, they can search out political dissenters or anyone else they choose.

Agree 100%...this reminds me when I was in the military. They strip you of all your rights and that isn't something I would hope this country doesn't want to venture into.

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