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Funny.

But, can someone explain to me why the **** I would possibly need a phone that has 2 cameras?

Most people don't need that.

I bought one that has two cameras so I could take photos on my penis. Until camera phones come with wide angle lenses it is my only choice.

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Funny.

But, can someone explain to me why the **** I would possibly need a phone that has 2 cameras?

A high-res cam on the backside so you can focus/see your picture beforehand on the screen.

A lesser-quality front-facing cam so people that want to video chat can do so, while still seeing the other person on the screen.

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A high-res cam on the backside so you can focus/see your picture beforehand on the screen.

A lesser-quality front-facing cam so people that want to video chat can do so, while still seeing the other person on the screen.

Gotcha. Makes sense.

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Facetime seems more of a novelty to me, maybe it becomes the standard - I don't know. I don't think I'd use it much.

A cool use for it would be having the ability to stream something unexpected thats happening to a buddy in real time. But then again, you could always just capture video and then send it...

I don't know.

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ouch

CNN) -- Has it really come to this?

The most talked-about phone in the U.S. -- Apple's iPhone 4 -- has a design flaw that's best fixed with a sliver of duct tape, according to Consumer Reports.

"It may not be pretty, but it works," writes Mike Gikas on that nonprofit consumer group's electronics blog.

The patch -- which sounds like it'd be more appropriate for kitchen plumbing than for a phone that retails for $200 to $300, plus an AT&T contract -- is supposed to correct an apparent problem with the iPhone 4's metal antenna.

In a controlled test, Consumer Reports found that people who hold the iPhone 4 in a way that covers up an antenna connector on the phone's lower left side will experience poorer reception and possibly dropped calls.

But if you slap a piece of duct tape over that antenna connection, the reception problems go away, the group says.

"When your finger or hand touches a spot on the phone's lower left side -- an easy thing, especially for lefties -- the signal can significantly degrade enough to cause you to lose your connection altogether if you're in an area with a weak signal," Consumer Reports says.

"Due to this problem, we can't recommend the iPhone 4." :ahhh:

Many others are testing the phone, too, and coming up with wacky solutions for the apparent reception problems.

Justin Horn, of the site WhenWillApple.com, suggests iPhone 4 users should wear a type of oven mitt called the "Ove Glove" when they need to make calls. The thick glove prevents dropped calls, he says.

"This test produced the best results with zero signal loss, even trumping the results I got with the bumper earlier!" he writes, referring to the "bumper" iPhone 4 cases Apple sells on its site for $29.

"Another plus, the Ove Glove is half the price of the bumper."

Apple did not respond to a CNN request for comment on this story.

On July 2, the company posted a public letter about the iPhone 4, in which it said reception problems were perceived, not real, and that a software update would fix the problem. Essentially, Apple said the formula used to calculate signal strength was flawed, so the number of reception-indicating "bars" on its phones did not correspond with actual phone reception.

"Their big drop in bars is because their high bars were never real in the first place," the Cupertino, California, company said in the post.

Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO, was more blunt in an e-mailed response to a concerned iPhone 4 owner.

"Just avoid holding it in that way," he wrote.

When Jobs unveiled the iPhone 4 at an event in San Francisco, California, he said the phone's new antenna design was "really cool engineering."

In its letter about the phone, the company also says this illusion of reception trouble exists on all models of the iPhone, a point that Consumer Reports disputes, saying the reception troubles are limited specifically to the iPhone 4.

All of the fuss has led some tech pundits to say Apple should recall the phone.

"I know Apple's selling new iPhones like Rocket Pops on the 4th of July, but this is the kind of issue that's melting into the mainstream, fast, and it's going to leave a stain," writes Molly Wood of the technology site CNET. "When Consumer Reports starts advising mainstream consumer electronics customers against buying your product, you've got a problem, and it's time to address it."

Cult of Mac quotes public-relations experts who say a recall is inevitable.

And the tech blog Gizmodo has started a petition asking Apple to give out free cases to people who have purchased the iPhone 4.

"The bumpers will negate the iPhone's beautiful design, one of its major selling points, but at least we won't have signals dropping," the blog says.

Even so, these reception woes -- duct tape, oven mitts and all -- haven't seemed to stem demand for a smartphone that has been called the world's best.

As of June 26, Apple had sold 1.7 million of the new phones; the company called the iPhone 4's release the "most successful product launch in Apple's history."

Even Consumer Reports, which does not recommend consumers buy the phone with the apparent design flaw, rates the smartphone as the best on the market based on its features alone.

But despite the high-resolution screen, high-quality video camera and other standout features of the iPhone 4, "if you want an iPhone that works well without a masking-tape fix, we continue to recommend an older model, the 3GS," the model that pre-dates the iPhone 4, Consumer Reports says.

You can buy that phone on Apple's site for $99 with a contract. Hosts of other smartphones -- including the Droid and HTC Evo on the rival Android platform -- are, of course, also available.

Those may not be the trendiest phones on the market right now. But you won't need to wear oven mitts in July -- or risk getting duct tape stuck to your face.

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Except that you have to buy a case, not merely to protect your device that cost several hundred bucks, but to get it to work properly. That's pretty sucky. If it requires a special case to function properly for most, it should be included with the device.

Your analogy is like saying someone who buys a car should have to pay extra to get the wipers to work 100% of the time, and that anyone who wouldn't buy this after-market add-on to their expensive purchase is stupid.

Problem solved, after you make an "appointment" to go to an Apple store and wait around like an idiot for 30 minutes past the always-late appointment time, for some kid with a face full of pimples and piercings to take care of an issue that should have been corrected when you first picked up your phone. And that's IF you happen to live in an area with an Apple store nearby. There are countless people in the country who live hours away from the nearest airport, to say nothing of their proximity to the nearest Apple Store. If that's you then you have to mail your brand new phone back to Apple and - with no phone in the interim - wait for a new one in the mail from Apple. Problem solved, indeed.

What are splotches?

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I downloaded the iOS 4 update on my 3G and it took about 2 hours to complete.

100's of photos I had saved in the phone's library got dumped. Just a heads up.

A friend of mine updated his 3G also and he told me it took a huge performance hit too, did you notice this?

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A friend of mine updated his 3G also and he told me it took a huge performance hit too, did you notice this?

I haven't tested all the new stuff yet. I did notice a bit of hesitation that wasn't there before. The camera zoom is nice, but takes time to activate.

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^ I read that too, but it's not like it was stopping people anyway. Now smartphone makers will make it harder IMO, but hackers will always prevail.

Also, the White iPhone 4 was pushed back to later this year....I think/hope they'll be a refresh coming soon, that's when I'll purchase!

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^ I read that too, but it's not like it was stopping people anyway. Now smartphone makers will make it harder IMO, but hackers will always prevail.

Not necessarily. HTC is usually very friendly to the rooting/hacking community. They don't have efuse or something similar like Motorola's protection and don't have Jobs' crusade on jailbreaking. This might be anecdotal evidence that I can't prove but I believe the majority of their Android phones are very easy to root. They don't mind xda.

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Not necessarily. HTC is usually very friendly to the rooting/hacking community. They don't have efuse or something similar like Motorola's protection and don't have Jobs' crusade on jailbreaking. This might be anecdotal evidence that I can't prove but I believe the majority of their Android phones are very easy to root. They don't mind xda.

The first 3 years of iPhone I feel like Apple didn't care all that much. And almost used the Jail breaking community as their beta testers. Installer gave way to the Appstore, Clippy -> Copy and Paste, Backgrounder -> Multitasking(even though backgrounder actually worked), and correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't cycorder around before it was possible to take video with the camera?

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^ I read that too, but it's not like it was stopping people anyway. Now smartphone makers will make it harder IMO, but hackers will always prevail.

Also, the White iPhone 4 was pushed back to later this year....I think/hope they'll be a refresh coming soon, that's when I'll purchase!

I was more or less alluding to the people that told me I wasn't supposed to be getting my moneys worth out of my iPhone because it was illegal.

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I was more or less alluding to the people that told me I wasn't supposed to be getting my moneys worth out of my iPhone because it was illegal.

LOL I remember that.

Jailbroken iPhone>stock iPhone.

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