Larz Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 I say they strike out and don't get lebron, wade or bosch. lebron stays in clevelend, wade stays in miami (both for the $$) and bosch goes to chicago will they have the worst team ever with the line up they have now and a few second level FA's ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dolphann4life Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I say they strike out and don't get lebron, wade or bosch. lebron stays in clevelend, wade stays in miami (both for the $$) and bosch goes to chicago will they have the worst team ever with the line up they have now and a few second level FA's ? It looks as if your getting joe johnson...with him and maybe say you sign david lee and a few average player you sign along the way you should at least be back in the playoff mix. When Eddie Curry's contract come off the books next year you can pursue Mello. I just want you guys to be relevant again because i cherrished heat/lnicks rivalry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Lebron will stay in Cleveland- Knicks will pick up Johnson it looks like with the rumors right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 the knicks ownership should be put into public stocks and rotten tomatoes thrown at them for what they did to this team. they should be stripped of all their belongings and banished from the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 the knicks ownership should be put into public stocks and rotten tomatoes thrown at them for what they did to this team. they should be stripped of all their belongings and banished from the city. Kind of what CBS did to the Yankees before Steinbrenner bought them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 29, 2010 Author Share Posted June 29, 2010 Lebron will stay in Cleveland- Knicks will pick up Johnson it looks like with the rumors right now. I saw that today, maybe johnson and stoudamire as a plan B I'll take it johnson, AS and gali would be a nice foundation to build on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 Joe Johnson & Amare Stoudamire will be Knicks. LeBron & Bosh to either Miami or Chicago. The key is after those two are signed is finding a way to trade David Lee to San Antonio or New Orleans for either Tony Paker or CP3. We need a ****ing PG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dolphann4life Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 If Wade, Bosh and Bron to Miami happens.....IT"S OVER!!!!! Domination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 The key is after those two are signed is finding a way to trade David Lee to San Antonio or New Orleans for either Tony Paker or CP3. We need a ****ing PG. Can't be done... the Knicks have to rescind the rights to Lee in order to sign two max players, thereby losing his Bird rights and any chance of a sign-and-trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 30, 2010 Author Share Posted June 30, 2010 boozer anyone ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uart Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Randy Foye will be a Knick. That in itself is good for a championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 boozer anyone ?I think I'd rather keep Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 I think I'd rather keep Lee. Agreed... both lack the strength and physicality to defend as a 4, but Lee wins is durability and character (the Cleveland situation soured me on Boozer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 ^ True, plus I think Boozer will end up in Miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Agreed... both lack the strength and physicality to defend as a 4, but Lee wins is durability and character (the Cleveland situation soured me on Boozer).I agree, but in an ideal situation Lee should not be guarding centers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Walsh and D'antoni were just spotted in Boston with Brian Scalabrine It does not look like things are going to go so good for the Knicks. I hope they can get Johnson, and then just wait for Melo and Paul. I'd like to get Stoudemire too, but I doubt they will get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 I believe James and Wade will be staying put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 I believe James and Wade will be staying put. I never saw either one of them leaving their teams to be honest but you never know. All this hoopla and the Knicks will have to be content for the second tier group I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 I never saw either one of them leaving their teams to be honest but you never know. All this hoopla and the Knicks will have to be content for the second tier group I think. +1, my Knicks bias wanted James, but I believe he stays and opts out in 3 yrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Nets >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Knicks When your whole pitch is "but we're NY!" you know you suck balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 +1, my Knicks bias wanted James, but I believe he stays and opts out in 3 yrs.And then signs with Brooklyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 I agree, but in an ideal situation Lee should not be guarding centers. Come to think of it, in an ideal situation, Lee is playing for a team other than the Knicks. He can't guard at the 4 either, as his poor help defense, lack of shot-blocking ability, inability (or unwillingness) to consistently box-out, and lack of strength are all issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Come to think of it, in an ideal situation, Lee is playing for a team other than the Knicks. He can't guard at the 4 either, as his poor help defense, lack of shot-blocking ability, inability (or unwillingness) to consistently box-out, and lack of strength are all issues.Maybe, but it might not be as bad as it was, had he been guarding a 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 And then signs with Brooklyn. Hey, we agreed on something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Hey, we agreed on something! Let's go for two. If the Knicks could get Stoudemire, and then go hard after Carmelo and Paul next year, they should be fine. I hear talks between Phoenix and Stoudemire have broken down, and I know the Nets want him bad. I hope the Knicks sign him, they probably will have to pay him a max contract though. I'm not sure he should get one, because he may be breaking down some. They'll have to give him one to get him IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Maybe, but it might not be as bad as it was, had he been guarding a 4. Guarding more athletic guys isn't going to help him look better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Let's go for two. If the Knicks could get Stoudemire, and then go hard after Carmelo and Paul next year, they should be fine. I hear talks between Phoenix and Stoudemire have broken down, and I know the Nets want him bad. I hope the Knicks sign him, they probably will have to pay him a max contract though. I'm not sure he should get one, because he may be breaking down some. They'll have to give him one to get him IMO. Yes, I'll agree the Knicks will give a max contract to a player who isn't a 'max' type of player. I rather it be Stoudemire than Johnson IMO. 2 for 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Guarding more athletic guys isn't going to help him look better...True, I would not have my heart broken if he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Yes, I'll agree the Knicks will give a max contract to a player who isn't a 'max' type of player. I rather it be Stoudemire than Johnson IMO. 2 for 2 Yep, I'll re-agree with that too. I'm pretty sure Stoudemire is bucking Phoenix because they won't pay him max, so he'll probably get it from someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Per ESPN.com, the Knicks are hoping to convince LeBron James, Joe Johnson and Amare Stoudemire to come play in New York next season, for a pay cut. They would offer each a five-year deal that averages $15.7 million with an opt-out after three years. Then, the Knicks would pay the players more since they'd have their Bird rights. Being that there is no way Joe Johnson leaves $120+ million guaranteed on the table, he's going back to Atlanta. I'll give the Knicks credit though... it's creative. Also, Rudy Gay just resigned for max with the Grizzlies. Cross another name off the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Per ESPN.com, the Knicks are hoping to convince LeBron James, Joe Johnson and Amare Stoudemire to come play in New York next season, for a pay cut. They would offer each a five-year deal that averages $15.7 million with an opt-out after three years. Then, the Knicks would pay the players more since they'd have their Bird rights. Being that there is no way Joe Johnson leaves $120+ million guaranteed on the table, he's going back to Atlanta. I'll give the Knicks credit though... it's creative. Also, Rudy Gay just resigned for max with the Grizzlies. Cross another name off the list. Good luck with all that Knicks.... I also heard there could be a sign and trade with Gay involving the Wolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 The Knicks and NETS are failures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Good luck with all that Knicks.... The Knicks would be giving each guy a 4-year, $62.8m contract, with an opt-out after 3 years. I'm not sure how the raises in that deal work, but let's assume it's the same amount each year, bringing the 3-year total to $47.1m for each guy. Considering that a (non-Bird) max deal includes 8% annual increases, here is how much a 5-year max contract would pay each guy, with the 3-yr total in parentheses: Johnson: $91.97m ($51.25m/3yr) LeBron: $96.15m ($53.7m/3yr) Amare: $99.8m ($55.74m/yr) Now, consider that the current CBA allows the team to re-sign its Bird rights players (which all 3 will be) for 6-year deals with 10.5% annual increases. Based on the current figure of 105% of their last salary, the deals break down as follows over the first 5 years: Johnson: $88.97m (difference of $3m over 5 years) LeBron: $92.95m (difference of $3.2m over 5 years) Amare: $96.09m (difference of $3.7m over 5 years) On top of that, each player would have another 4 years at over $90m remaining on their Bird rights max deal. Not terrible by any stretch of the imagination. Oh, one other thing.... when Curry's contract comes off the books after this season, the Knicks will be able to add another star player. There are two major issues with all of this, though... you're asking players to give up a huge amount of guaranteed money with a promise of a bigger payday down the road. Injuries could cost these guys tens of millions of dollars, so it is a risk for them. Secondly, this is assuming that the CBA looks relatively similar to the one currently in place. Since this is another league looking to reduce the cap figure, that is a huge assumption. Regardless, my point was to show that it's not like the Knicks are asking these guys to play for free, and that they obviously don't care about paying the luxury tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted July 1, 2010 Author Share Posted July 1, 2010 Walsh and D'antoni were just spotted in Boston with Brian Scalabrine . wasn't the lebron meeting at 1:00 ? I guess they have the x-men jet, go dolans ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 wasn't the lebron meeting at 1:00 ? I guess they have the x-men jet, go dolans ! The Herd reported the Boston sighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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