NIGHT STALKER Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 I was thinking on this July 4th of two of the greatest founding fathers of this country...George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. So, as I was thinking about those two, it came across my mind, that other than these two, I've never met any white dudes (and let me remind you again, I've been around a long time), with those two surnames...Washington and Jefferson. Have any of you met some white folks with those two last names? I'm old, but not quite old enough to have met George and Thomas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Yes, two of our country's founders -two of the most driving forces for freedom in the history of the world- also happened to be two of the largest slave-holders in the most brutal slavery system the world has ever known. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted July 4, 2010 Author Share Posted July 4, 2010 Yes, two of our country's founders -two of the most driving forces for freedom in the history of the world- also happened to be two of the largest slave-holders in the most brutal slavery system the world has ever known. Go figure. Can we ever have a discussion without it getting spinning into another topic? I asked a ****ing question if you ever met any white people with the names Washington and Jefferson...I don't need a GD history lesson on slavery...I am very well aware of the history back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Can we ever have a discussion without it getting spinning into another topic? I asked a ****ing question if you ever met any white people with the names Washington and Jefferson...I don't need a GD history lesson on slavery...I am very well aware of the history back then. Not sure why you've never come across a white person with those names... But the fact that George Washington had no children and over 300 slaves, and that Thomas Jefferson had over 600 slaves and no surviving (legitimate) sons, is probably a big reason both names became "black names" in the United States, don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted July 4, 2010 Author Share Posted July 4, 2010 Not sure why you've never come across a white person with those names... But the fact that George Washington had no children and over 300 slaves, and that Thomas Jefferson had over 600 slaves and no surviving (legitimate) sons, is probably a big reason both names became "black names" in the United States, don't you think? Listen, this was not intended to get turned into a thread on slavery...it was a simple question that you still haven't answered, but have to remind the thread readers that they were slave owners...we get that. You on the other hand, if were in their position back in those days wouldn't have owned slaves, right slats? You would have been a man of vision and set an example that slavery was wrong...tell me another western bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Is this really how you guys are going to spend Independence Day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Listen, this was not intended to get turned into a thread on slavery...it was a simple question that you still haven't answered, but have to remind the thread readers that they were slave owners...we get that. You on the other hand, if were in their position back in those days wouldn't have owned slaves, right slats? You would have been a man of vision and set an example that slavery was wrong...tell me another western bud. I'm just giving you the reason why those names are associated with blacks rather than whites today, that's all. It's pretty obvious if you ask me. And yeah, no doubt I would've been a visionary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Is this really how you guys are going to spend Independence Day? At least until my daughter gets out of bed and we figure out what we're doing today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted July 4, 2010 Author Share Posted July 4, 2010 I'm just giving you the reason why those names are associated with blacks rather than whites today, that's all. It's pretty obvious if you ask me. And yeah, no doubt I would've been a visionary. Yes, I figured you would have...sorry I asked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 I'm just going to go ahead and say it: Slats is a ****ing idiot. I know this is not news to anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Slats rules and I believe he did answer the question asked, no? Happy 4th people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 For the exciting "hope this doesn't go bad" purposes of this thread, I've never met a white person named Washington or Jefferson. Does that help? I don't think I've ever met anyone named Madison or Monroe, either, if you want to start another thought provoking thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 For the exciting "hope this doesn't go bad" purposes of this thread, I've never met a white person named Washington or Jefferson. Does that help? I don't think I've ever met anyone named Madison or Monroe, either, if you want to start another thought provoking thread. I sorta remember a guy in school named Billy Madison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Marilyn Monroe (yeah--norma jean baker...I know, I know) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 And as far as the slavery thing goes, its sure easy to monday morning quarterback when you have a few hundred years of context and perspective. For the record, this country's beginnings were basically funded by tobacco farming. Yep, good old carcinogenic, stinky tobacco. I find judging the people of the distant past by current standards kind of silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 And as far as the slavery thing goes, its sure easy to monday morning quarterback when you have a few hundred years of context and perspective. For the record, this country's beginnings were basically funded by tobacco farming. Yep, good old carcinogenic, stinky tobacco. I find judging the people of the distant past by current standards kind of silly. By the standards of their day, the slavery system put in place in the colonies was the most barbaric the world had ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebabyny Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Not sure why you've never come across a white person with those names... But the fact that George Washington had no children and over 300 slaves, and that Thomas Jefferson had over 600 slaves and no surviving (legitimate) sons, is probably a big reason both names became "black names" in the United States, don't you think? Ok, so you actually think that if Washington and Jefferson were illegitimately impregnating their slaves that the slaves would use and Washington and Jefferson would allow their last names to be used in naming these illegitimate babies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Ok, so you actually think that if Washington and Jefferson were illegitimately impregnating their slaves that the slaves would use and Washington and Jefferson would allow their last names to be used in naming these illegitimate babies? No, that is not what I'm saying. By most accounts, roughly 85% of American slaves took the surname of one of their owners when they were freed. So 300-600 black Washingtons and Jeffersons would probably lead to large black populations with those names over time, wouldn't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 They exist. You just haven't met them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 By the standards of their day, the slavery system put in place in the colonies was the most barbaric the world had ever seen. ohhh. wow. sorry, I didn't understand your point. That Slavery was bad and not at all nice. Geez. I had no idea. Fot the record, you have just changed my mind forever on slavery. I now believe it was not a good thing to do to folks, enslaving them and all. Thank you for the history lesson. Jefferson and Washington should have been stoned to death (and not in a good way). Now, about the Spanish inquisition and the Holocaust, they were a lot of fun for all involved, no? Or am I wrong this? Help me out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 ohhh. wow. sorry, I didn't understand your point. That Slavery was bad and not at all nice. Geez. I had no idea. Fot the record, you have just changed my mind forever on slavery. I now believe it was not a good thing to do to folks, enslaving them and all. Thank you for the history lesson. Jefferson and Washington should have been stoned to death (and not in a good way). Actually my point was that Washington and Jefferson had a lot more black namesakes than white ones, but people who hoped this thread wouldn't go bad made it into more than that. I find when I comment in these things, people prefer reading into what I have to say rather than just reading what I'm saying. Now, about the Spanish inquisition and the Holocaust, they were a lot of fun for all involved, no? Or am I wrong this? Help me out. Not a big fan of those, either, but I was hoping we could stick to American atrocities on the 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 By the standards of their day, the slavery system put in place in the colonies was the most barbaric the world had ever seen. Lol, how do you go from that Now, about the Spanish inquisition and the Holocaust, they were a lot of fun for all involved, no? Or am I wrong this? Help me out. to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Ok, so you actually think that if Washington and Jefferson were illegitimately impregnating their slaves that the slaves would use and Washington and Jefferson would allow their last names to be used in naming these illegitimate babies? Slaves took the last names of their owners. Ever wonder why they are so many different shades of black people, as opposed to any other race? Jefferson and Washington were rumored to have had sexual relations with their slaves. P.S. I've met whites with the names Washington and Jefferson, if that makes a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted July 4, 2010 Author Share Posted July 4, 2010 Slaves took the last names of their owners. Ever wonder why they are so many different shades of black people, as opposed to any other race? Jefferson and Washington were rumored to have had sexual relations with their slaves. P.S. I've met whites with the names Washington and Jefferson, if that makes a difference. A "PS" with a statement if that makes a difference. That was the entire point of my thread...slats had to put his own spin on it with freaking slavery. Believe me, if I wanted to inject slavery into my original post, I would have done that...I've never been one to mince words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naeann Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 I can see why they ask you all to avoid political/regligious talk. Happy 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Lol, how do you go from that to that? Pretty simple. Slats telling me slavery was awful was a "Thank You Captain Obvious" moment. So asking if the Holocaust and Spanish Inquisition were bad was a sarcastic way of saying, "Duh". Slats then followed up with "please stick to American atrocities" and I was about to make some Hiroshima and wounded knee jokes...but i thought that might be in poor taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted July 4, 2010 Author Share Posted July 4, 2010 I can see why they ask you all to avoid political/regligious talk. Happy 4th. Yep, with a simple yes or no answer if you've ever met a white person with the name of Washington or Jefferson...but no, it's got to go every which way but the one intended. This is a great country, but the people in it just suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 LOL! This thread has indeed gone bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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