Gainzo Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 So the Heat have LeBron, Wade and Bosh. Who else is on the roster? On the plus side at least the Heat have a chance of selling out a few games this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 On the plus side at least the Heat have a chance of selling out a few games this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Any truth to the rumor the Heat are asking the Cavs to do a sign and trade for Lebron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 As much as I dislike Noah, even back to when he was at Florida, I have to admit that I was quite amused when he made those comments.Word, I liketed that sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 I see that a few of the resident Dolphin fans have been active in these threads the last couple of days. I wonder if any of them have been to a Heat game or even cared about the NBA/Heat prior to the LeBron signing? Miami: Worst pro sports town in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 I see that a few of the resident Dolphin fans have been active in these threads the last couple of days. I wonder if any of them have been to a Heat game or even cared about the NBA/Heat prior to the LeBron signing? Miami: Worst pro sports town in America. For once we agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 For once we agree! Yep! If the Dolphins didn't play in the AFCE they would be lucky to sell out a game. When the Jets, Pats & Bills play in Miami the crowd is at least 40% opposing teams fans. Watching a Heat game in Miami all I see is empty seats. Don't even get me started on the Marlins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Higher mean income levels does not = increased spending on sporting goods If anything the highest spenders on merchandise are most likely some of the lowest income people... swing by the 'hood" real quick when doing some of your baggy pants research and notice how much clothing is team sports related... then go take a ride through Greenwich CT and tell me how many people are rocking New Era caps with Jerseys. As a parent of sons who played CYO basketball and youth ice hockey and a guy who played both CYO and roller hockey, if you play hockey you are going to be spending a whole lot more of sports equipment than if you play basketball. I've been to NHL games in NJ, MSG, Long Island, Hartford and Boston, and NBA games at MSG and NJ. I'm not a sociologist, but it is fair to say that the NHL crowds were generally more enthusiastic than the NBA crowd, with one glaring exception; a Knicks/Nets game in the Meadowlands when the Nets were very good and Jason Kidd took Stephon Marbury apart with relish. What you can say about the NBA is that the design of the league with the slavish devotion to the cap has sapped a lot of the enthusiasm. Tanking seasons doesn't make for a good product nor an attentive audience. The quality of the game has suffered because salaries mean coaches are basically temps who don't really do much coaching. And about salaries; don't begrudge anyone making good money, but any business that pays Jeroem James, Stephon Marbury, Sebastian Telefair and Eddie Curry millions to sh1t the bed, if they even play, night after night is a lousy product. Now it gets way better in the playoffs. The Thunder/Lakers series was what basketball should be all about, but most regular season games never approach that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Don't even get me started on the Marlins To be fair, after going to a few this year, I can actually get that one. Marlins games for the most part are unbearable. I'm reserving judgement on Miami as a baseball town until the roofed stadium opens in '12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Cavs owner Dan Gilbert is a douche bag. LeBron put the Cavs on the map. He gave them 8 years of his career. He wants to win a championship something he knew would never happen in Cleveland. Took Jordan 7 years to win it in Chicago... Lebron is a quitter and would not commit long term basically stopping the Cavs from getting any other big name. Lebron could not do it the old fashion way, so he is going to try and do it the Xbox way. If he could not win a title on a 60 win team, or at least have the pride to try he will not win on a team with the depth of a kiddie pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Took Jordan 7 years to win it in Chicago... Lebron is a quitter and would not commit long term basically stopping the Cavs from getting any other big name. Lebron could not do it the old fashion way, so he is going to try and do it the Xbox way. If he could not win a title on a 60 win team, or at least have the pride to try he will not win on a team with the depth of a kiddie pool. lol put yourself in his shoes Pat riley south beach elite team mates or dan cleveland scrubs this depth argument is weak players are calling riley every minute begging to come to south beach right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 I see that a few of the resident Dolphin fans have been active in these threads the last couple of days. I wonder if any of them have been to a Heat game or even cared about the NBA/Heat prior to the LeBron signing? Miami: Worst pro sports town in America. Most will tell you that they are lifelong Heat 'fans', which is BS. A lot of people jumped on the bandwagon when they got Shaq, then after the championship they disappeared. Needless to say they are all back plus some new 'fans'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Now that the stern and durant is over lets look at this logically. Cleveland - history of hiring dorks to run the team. Knicks - owned by a dork and history of hiring dorks to run the team. Miami - run by PAT RILEY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 I think the worst news for Knicks fans in this whole Carney act has been the FACT that Dolan is STILL reaching out and listening to freakin Isiah Thomas http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2010/07/10/2010-07-10_isiah_thomas_new_york_knicks_comeback_recruitment_lebron_james.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 I think the worst news for Knicks fans in this whole Carney act has been the FACT that Dolan is STILL reaching out and listening to freakin Isiah Thomas http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2010/07/10/2010-07-10_isiah_thomas_new_york_knicks_comeback_recruitment_lebron_james.html I figure if your a knick fan Isiah Thomas are two of the scariest words in the english language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 I figure if your a knick fan Isiah Thomas are two of the scariest words in the english language. he must have pictures of Dolan polishing off a sheep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/LeBron-James-mural-removed-in-Cleveland-071210 Updated Jul 12, 2010 4:26 PM ET CLEVELAND (AP) LeBron James has left the building. Workers have finished removing a gigantic Nike banner featuring James, a sign that hung on the side of a downtown office building for years and served as a background for the Cleveland Cavaliers' success during the seven years he played for them. The mural was taken down after James announced he was leaving Cleveland as a free agent to play with fellow superstars Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh in Miami. In the hours after James' announcement, some angry Cavaliers fans hurled rocks at the 10-foot-story sign that featured James with his arms outstretched after tossing powder into the air under the heading: ''We Are All Witnesses.'' Nike spokesman KeJuan Wilkins said he did not yet know what the company plans to do with the sign, which hung on the side of the Landmark Office Tower across the street from Quicken Loans Arena, the Cavs' home arena. Meanwhile, James is still planning to attend his charity bikeathon in Akron on Aug. 7. On Monday, James' publicist, Keith Estabook, said the All-Star intends to participate in the fifth annual ''King for Kids Bikeathon'' event in his hometown. In the past, James has been joined at the event by Wade and New Orleans guard Chris Paul. James, who attended good friend Carmelo Anthony's wedding in New York over the weekend, is on vacation, Estabrook said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RutgersJetFan Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 thep0vZTUws Did you catch Lietch's piece in New York last week btw? I thought it was the single best article written on the whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 Did you catch Lietch's piece in New York last week btw? I thought it was the single best article written on the whole thing. Leitch's was almost certainly the best perspective on why the whole spectacle was so insulting, but (true to form) he seemed to equivocate a little toward the end, which always bugs the **** out of me. I think the best piece I read overall was Scott Raab's little invective in Esquire/Deadspin, but that may just be because he was pissy when he wrote it and I was pissy when I read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 Took Jordan 7 years to win it in Chicago... Lebron is a quitter and would not commit long term basically stopping the Cavs from getting any other big name. Lebron could not do it the old fashion way, so he is going to try and do it the Xbox way. If he could not win a title on a 60 win team, or at least have the pride to try he will not win on a team with the depth of a kiddie pool. I am SO SICK of this Jordan - Lebron comparison in the discussion of whether or not Lebron should have stayed like Jordan did... When are people going to realize that Jordan made that decision TWENTY YEARS ago, and that it was a different era... The Bulls, when they got Pippen, were a VERY GOOD team that would probably get dismantled by today's Celtics and/or Lakers of today. Back twenty years ago, having 3-4 potential hall of famers on the same team was unheard of. Both the Celtics and Lakers both had that... The Cavs didn't, and were never going to. Lebron and Wade are arguably 2 of the best players in the NBA... And still there's a very good argument to be made that they aren't on the same level as either the Celtics or the Lakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 Back twenty years ago, having 3-4 potential hall of famers on the same team was unheard of. You may want to think about editing this statement out. It's just horrendously incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 Leitch's was almost certainly the best perspective on why the whole spectacle was so insulting, but (true to form) he seemed to equivocate a little toward the end, which always bugs the **** out of me. I think the best piece I read overall was Scott Raab's little invective in Esquire/Deadspin, but that may just be because he was pissy when he wrote it and I was pissy when I read it. I think I was just a fan of the whole 'we're all dumber for having watched this' angle. Made me kind of proud that I shut the TV off and headed out that night with better things to do, like downing Jameson in Hoboken while I told everyone how much I hated Lebron James. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 You may want to think about editing this statement out. It's just horrendously incorrect. How so? The Bulls had 2... Jordan and Pippen and some good role players (Kukoc, Armstrong, etc). The Jazz had 2... Malone and Stockton and some good role players. The Knicks had 2 potential HOFers in Starks and Ewing, and some good role players. There was just more parity back then. Even the Bulls in their dynasty won so many of their series's in a tight game 7... You didn't have sure-fire HOFers colluding with each other and taking pay cuts to join teams together in order to win championships like we see today. I don't like it, but thats the reality of the NBA Free Agency era. The trend was started a few years ago by LA, taken up by Allen, Pierce, and Garnett joining the Celtics, on to this year with Wade, James, and Bosh...Probably not ending next year either with already rumors of Melo and Paul teaming up together to join a team with some other all-star(s). It sucks for the basketball purist, but the days where any team that gets lucky with a couple draft picks can be perennial contenders is essentially dead. Now its all about recruiting and buying star players via Free Agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 How so? The Bulls had 2... Jordan and Pippen and some good role players (Kukoc, Armstrong, etc). The Jazz had 2... Malone and Stockton and some good role players. The Knicks had 2 potential HOFers in Starks and Ewing, and some good role players. There was just more parity back then. Even the Bulls in their dynasty won so many of their series's in a tight game 7... You didn't have sure-fire HOFers colluding with each other and taking pay cuts to join teams together in order to win championships like we see today. The why is a completely different thing when compared to the what. The list of teams who had 3-4+ HOF'ers leading up to the 90's (and actually a team or two in the 90's as well), is quite extensive, (yes, even after the merger). The Knicks had 6 at one time (technically 7). Like I said, I get your point, but saying it was unheard of simply isn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 The why is a completely different thing when compared to the what. The list of teams who had 3-4+ HOF'ers leading up to the 90's (and actually a team or two in the 90's as well), is quite extensive, (yes, even after the merger). The Knicks had 6 at one time (technically 7). Like I said, I get your point, but saying it was unheard of simply isn't true. Whatever. The point I was making is that back in 1990, the way the NBA was landscaped...Jordan knew all he needed was one more superstar and a few good role players to win some titles. The teams he could have gone too already had another superstar, and he would have been that team's second. However, it was easier for him to stick it out in CHI in hopes of management somehow acquiring another superstar (which they did). In the case of Lebron James and the CURRENT landscape... The Cavs would need to acquire two superstars without giving up their key role players in order for them to realistically compete with the Celtics and Lakers year-in and year-out. That just wasn't happening. Having said all that, I obviously understand James's decision to leave CLE, but I HATED the timing and the manner in which he announced his decision. IMO he should have announced at the beginning of FA where he was going...Knowing that as one of the best players in the world, he should be able to attract some other big name FA's to join him. The first day he was allowed to sign, he should have released a press statement saying he has agreed to join the Heat, thanking the Cavs organization and their fans for seven great years. He should have then picked up the phone, called his owner and his teammates explaining the decision in person to them. The way he did it was utterly selfish and degrading as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 I think I was just a fan of the whole 'we're all dumber for having watched this' angle. Made me kind of proud that I shut the TV off and headed out that night with better things to do, like downing Jameson in Hoboken while I told everyone how much I hated Lebron James. Makes sense. I watched the whole damned thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 Back twenty years ago, having 3-4 potential hall of famers on the same team was unheard of. Both the Celtics and Lakers both had that... I'll give you the Celtics, but the current Lakers team has 3 or 4? Guys like Odom and Artest aren't "potential" Hall of Famers, as they're both north of 30 and haven't done enough at this point in their careers to even make a case for the HOF. The Knicks had 2 potential HOFers in Starks and Ewing, and some good role players. LOL @ Starks being mentioned as a potential HOFer. Even the Bulls in their dynasty won so many of their series's in a tight game 7... Actually, Michael Jordan never played a Game 7 in the Finals in his entire career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 How so? The Bulls had 2... Jordan and Pippen and some good role players (Kukoc, Armstrong, etc). The Jazz had 2... Malone and Stockton and some good role players. The Knicks had 2 potential HOFers in Starks and Ewing, and some good role players. There was just more parity back then. Even the Bulls in their dynasty won so many of their series's in a tight game 7... You didn't have sure-fire HOFers colluding with each other and taking pay cuts to join teams together in order to win championships like we see today. I don't like it, but thats the reality of the NBA Free Agency era. The trend was started a few years ago by LA, taken up by Allen, Pierce, and Garnett joining the Celtics, on to this year with Wade, James, and Bosh...Probably not ending next year either with already rumors of Melo and Paul teaming up together to join a team with some other all-star(s). It sucks for the basketball purist, but the days where any team that gets lucky with a couple draft picks can be perennial contenders is essentially dead. Now its all about recruiting and buying star players via Free Agency. This is where I stopped reading because really, if you honestly believe that, what's the point of reading anything you have to say about basketball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 This is where I stopped reading because really, if you honestly believe that, what's the point of reading anything you have to say about basketball? Haha. Yeah Im a Knicks homer. Yeah I reached. But that even strengthens my point. The Knicks were contenders pretty much every year during the Ewing era with one superstar. As for the Lakers.... Kobe and Gasol both have serious potential at one day being HOFers... I agree neither Odom or Artest, but they are both perennial all-stars that equate to role players on that team. Still way better than anything the Cavs could compete with. Even if they did manage somehow to get another superstar and keep their key role players, which would have been hard enough to do themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 As for Jordan and game Seven... He beat that knicks team (the one that only had 1 potential HOFer) in game 7 in '92. He beat them again in 6 in '93 in the semis... He then retired from the NBA due to gambling problems and his desire to try professional baseball. in '94 the Pippen-lead LOST to the Knicks in game 7 in the CONFERENCE SEMIS, and in '98 he beat the Pacers in the semis in game 7. He played 0 game 7s in the finals but 3 game 6s I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 lebron got lebacklash at the espys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Haha. Yeah Im a Knicks homer. Yeah I reached. But that even strengthens my point. The Knicks were contenders pretty much every year during the Ewing era with one superstar. As for the Lakers.... Kobe and Gasol both have serious potential at one day being HOFers... I agree neither Odom or Artest, but they are both perennial all-stars that equate to role players on that team. Still way better than anything the Cavs could compete with. Even if they did manage somehow to get another superstar and keep their key role players, which would have been hard enough to do themselves. Odom and Artest have one All-Star appearance between them. They are both very good players and are great at what they do. But they are exactly the kind of guys you need to win championships. You're not getting it done with a couple of superstars alone. The Sixers once had Dr. J, Moses Malone and Mo Cheeks all in their primes, not to mention an aging Bobby Jones. That's two of the NBA's all-time Top 50 plus two true perennial All Stars and they won one title and were glad to win it. The Lakers once had Wilt Chamberlain, Elgin Baylor and Jerry West - that's three of the NBA's All-Time Top 50 including arguably the greatest center, greatest ball handler and the freakin' logo for goodness sakes - and they didn't win a title at all. What the Heat have put together is neither unprecedented nor a guarantee of success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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