Revis contract talks started up again

[Ranger]

Originally Posted by Manish Mehta

BREAKING: #Jets & Darrelle Revis' camp spoke in last 24 hrs; contract solution may not be far behind

[rick34125]

Revis open to short-term contract fix, unsure he'll be at camp

By Jason La Canfora

NFL.com

July 30, 2010 at 04:25 p.m

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81966dbe/article/revis-open-to-shortterm-contract-fix-unsure-hell-be-at-camp

The New York Jets and Darrelle Revis' agent, Neil Schwartz, have recently communicated about a possible solution to the Pro Bowl cornerback's contract impasse, and it wouldn't require a long-term deal, a league source said Friday.

Still, Revis isn't sure whether or not he will report for the start of training camp Sunday in Cortland, N.Y., according to the source.

Revis isn't dead set on matching the NFL's top cornerback contract -- the three-year, $45.3 million deal that Nnamdi Asomugha signed with the Oakland Raiders in 2009 -- under these circumstances, but he would seek to gain more financial security. Something in the range of a three-year, $30 million deal likely would do the job. A one-year stopgap, along the lines of the $1 million or so that the Tennessee Titans recently gave running back Chris Johnson, isn't something that Revis would entertain.

The Jets might not be willing to do a deal in the $30 million range, and perhaps the sides can strike a two-year pact or find some other common ground. And, after watching close friend and former teammate Leon Washington suffer a serious injury that greatly impacted his short-term earning potential, Revis is mulling all options.

[F.Chowds]

Revis open to short-term contract fix, unsure he'll be at camp

By Jason La Canfora

NFL.com

July 30, 2010 at 04:25 p.m

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81966dbe/article/revis-open-to-shortterm-contract-fix-unsure-hell-be-at-camp

The New York Jets and Darrelle Revis' agent, Neil Schwartz, have recently communicated about a possible solution to the Pro Bowl cornerback's contract impasse, and it wouldn't require a long-term deal, a league source said Friday.

Still, Revis isn't sure whether or not he will report for the start of training camp Sunday in Cortland, N.Y., according to the source.

Revis isn't dead set on matching the NFL's top cornerback contract -- the three-year, $45.3 million deal that Nnamdi Asomugha signed with the Oakland Raiders in 2009 -- under these circumstances, but he would seek to gain more financial security. Something in the range of a three-year, $30 million deal likely would do the job. A one-year stopgap, along the lines of the $1 million or so that the Tennessee Titans recently gave running back Chris Johnson, isn't something that Revis would entertain.

The Jets might not be willing to do a deal in the $30 million range, and perhaps the sides can strike a two-year pact or find some other common ground. And, after watching close friend and former teammate Leon Washington suffer a serious injury that greatly impacted his short-term earning potential, Revis is mulling all options.

GET IT THE F@#K DONE TANNY!

[ECURB]

GET IT THE F@#K DONE TANNY!

Seriously though... Revis held out for this very contract that is causing a problem. You cannot just keep caving into his demands every couple of years.

IF they sign him it needs to be a 5-7 year deal that will NOT be re-negotiated.

[slats]

Revis isn't dead set on matching the NFL's top cornerback contract -- the three-year, $45.3 million deal that Nnamdi Asomugha signed with the Oakland Raiders in 2009 -- under these circumstances, but he would seek to gain more financial security. Something in the range of a three-year, $30 million deal likely would do the job.

This can't possibly be true.

[ECURB]

This can't possibly be true.

It is not true actually, it is also being reported that he does not want a stop gap that he is holding out for the monster deal he feels he was promised/deserves.

[KSJets]

It is not true actually, it is also being reported that he does not want a stop gap that he is holding out for the monster deal he feels he was promised/deserves.

Since none of us are involved with the negotiations, none of us can realistically say what is the truth or what's fabricated by the media.

[greenerdaze]

Revis signed a six year deal. By signing it he AGREED to it. Thought that was supposed to be worth something, something somewhat binding.

Traditionally, players weren't expected to make noise until the final year approached.

All Revis is proving is that it's senseless to offer him a long-term deal because midway through he'll fail to honor it and impulsively demand the current rate - based on some other player's pay elsewhere in the league. He'll do it again and again.

Another thing Revis doesn't get is that the Jets surrounded him with the ingredients to succeed. It wasn't all Revis. Things might've panned out differently on another team, and he'd be a nobody lucky to have any deal. But it all came together for him in NY - the coaching, the system, the chemistry - so he shouldn't get ahead of himself, or too full of himself, and gauge his worth using player examples from other teams.

[Bleedin Green]

Revis signed a six year deal. By signing it he AGREED to it. Thought that was supposed to be worth something, something somewhat binding.

Traditionally, players weren't expected to make noise until the final year approached.

All Revis is proving is that it's senseless to offer him a long-term deal because midway through he'll fail to honor it and impulsively demand the current rate - based on some other player's pay elsewhere in the league. He'll do it again and again.

Another thing Revis doesn't get is that the Jets surrounded him with the ingredients to succeed. It wasn't all Revis. Things might've panned out differently on another team, and he'd be a nobody lucky to have any deal. But it all came together for him in NY - the coaching, the system, the chemistry - so he shouldn't get ahead of himself, or too full of himself, and gauge his worth using player examples from other teams.

The bolded is my #1 problem with this is situation. He's proved himself completely untrustworthy. At the time of his deal, he was given a GREAT deal for him, paying him WELL over his slotted position. He received much more in guaranteed money, a lot more in salaries these first three years and the money in the next two years was extremely high. The ONLY thing that wasn't great about this deal for Revis was this year. And what happens? He bitches, moans and threatens to hold out. What possible reason do the Jets have to believe he won't do the same again?

Say the Jets give him his big deal, heap the piles of guaranteed money onto him that he wants, what do you think is going to happen when the guaranteed portion of his contract is done? Another three years down the line when that bonus money is long gone and he's making a salary that has likely been surpassed by some other players by that point. You think he's going to honor that contract? While it's possible, there's zero evidence that tells us he will. It would be one thing if he had a year left on his deal, but it's three years and he's complaining about this single years pay, which anyone with a brain knows that's simply NOT how NFL contracts work. Make him play these next two years and then give him his new deal. Maybe he'll learn next time around that the Jets expect him to honor his contract and won't pull this crap again. By doing it now, you're just rewarding his bad behavior and begging him to pull this crap all over again.

[bitonti]

The bolded is my #1 problem with this is situation. He's proved himself completely untrustworthy.

he also proven himself completely awesome

all players are not created equal. Revis is like a luxury sports car, yes if you need to maintain it will cost more than the Jeep a player like Mike Devito. the Jets don't want to play any football in 2010 without this player, they need to keep him happy.

There's no revis in next year's draft or maybe ever again. He could be GOAT at that position.

[slats]

Make him play these next two years and then give him his new deal. Maybe he'll learn next time around that the Jets expect him to honor his contract and won't pull this crap again.

If the Jets do that, he should hold out.

He's not under contract for three more years right now. He is only under contract for one year at $1M. That's it. The next two years are an option the team can pick up after the season. If Revis tears his ACL this summer, do you think he'll see that "guaranteed" money? How well did Leon do by betting on himself?

We all love that warrior mentality, but it's stupid from a business standpoint. And this is Revis' business.

God knows that if Revis wasn't living up to his contract, he'd be long gone. But instead he's outperforming it, and wants to be compensated accordingly. Management wants it both ways, and I can't believe how many fans take their side on these issues. If all NFL contracts were guaranteed you'd have a point. But they're not. Only the player is locked into the agreement, management can cancel at any time -minus bonuses/guarantees- which is why players want big bonuses and guarantees in the first place.

[billo83]

If the Jets do that, he should hold out.

He's not under contract for three more years right now. He is only under contract for one year at $1M. That's it. The next two years are an option the team can pick up after the season. If Revis tears his ACL this summer, do you think he'll see that "guaranteed" money? How well did Leon do by betting on himself?

We all love that warrior mentality, but it's stupid from a business standpoint. And this is Revis' business.

God knows that if Revis wasn't living up to his contract, he'd be long gone. But instead he's outperforming it, and wants to be compensated accordingly. Management wants it both ways, and I can't believe how many fans take their side on these issues. If all NFL contracts were guaranteed you'd have a point. But they're not. Only the player is locked into the agreement, management can cancel at any time -minus bonuses/guarantees- which is why players want big bonuses and guarantees in the first place.

No - it's Revis that wants it both ways. In your arguments for Revis, you seem to conveniently forget that he received signing bonuses when he finally signed his contract after a hold out. That signing bonus is guaranteed money, so if he gets injured/cut he is still well compensated. In your example, if Revis underperformed and got cut, he would have already earned a ton of money in bonuses and salary to that point. The Jets are already going to lose a ton of money on that bust known as the Ghost in SB and salary. So it's OK with you that the Jets should lose all of that money on the Gholston bust, but at the same time tear up and redo the contract that Revis held out for in the 1st place? Sorry, but that's a FAIL. Also, it is in essence, a 6 year contract by the simple fact that the Jets hold his rights for another 3 years by exercising the option. Revis can't go anywhere for the next 3 years - period. Additionally, Revis gets 12 million guaranteed if that option is invoked. So why should the FO tear up and redo the contract Revis held out for? As others have pointed out, he will just start whining again in 3 years and demand yet another contract. It has also been reported that he basically wants any extension fully guaranteed, which is unheard of in the NFL. So I have a hard time feeling sorry for Revis when has already received a ton of money in SB and salary for a contract he held out for in the 1st place and when he stands to receive another 12 million in guaranteed money when fulfilling his contract.

[slats]

No - it's Revis that wants it both ways. In your arguments for Revis, you seem to conveniently forget that he received signing bonuses when he finally signed his contract after a hold out. That signing bonus is guaranteed money, so if he gets injured/cut he is still well compensated. In your example, if Revis underperformed and got cut, he would have already earned a ton of money in bonuses and salary to that point. The Jets are already going to lose a ton of money on that bust known as the Ghost in SB and salary. So it's OK with you that the Jets should lose all of that money on the Gholston bust, but at the same time tear up and redo the contract that Revis held out for in the 1st place?

The fact that the Jets ****ed up with the selection of Gholston has no bearing on the fact that they hit the big time with Revis.

The money Revis has already earned has no bearing on his leverage today. Leverage that could evaporate with a single hit. He's worth a lot more than $1M, and he has every right in the world to do whatever he has to do to make it. His original signing bonus that you're talking about was less than $5M. anyway. That's way below market value for a single year of Revis' talents. Hardly a reason for him not to strike when the iron's hot. The team's looking to make a Super Bowl run, and they're not making that run without Revis.

I say he should hold out because he can get what he's worth by doing so. If I was his adviser, that would be my advice: Don't risk your future earnings without a boatload of guarantees - it's not worth it. I realize we're talking about a lot of money here. But if the guy's worth $15M and he's "only" making $1M (even with his bonuses, his pro-rated cap number is still less than $2M), he'd be a fool not to hold out for closer to his value.

More power to him!

[Savage69]

But if the guy's worth $15M and he's "only" making $1M (even with his bonuses, his pro-rated cap number is still less than $2M), he'd be a fool not to hold out for closer to his value.

More power to him!

Who said he's worth 15 million?? A crazy coot in Oakland?? I agree Tanny screwed up approaching him after the season thinking he would be appreciative to a extension with 3 years left 2 at the clubs option..Had Revis agreed to say 12-13 million and 5 or 6 years there may have been good negotiation.. But he turned around and wanted 16..As far as the Ghost goes your feeling the team drafted a guy not worth his contract so boo hoo for them yet when they get a over achiever it's a crime if he doesn't get top dollar screw his contract?? That doesn't seem fair??

[flgreen]

If Revis wants to hold out and go for two prime years without making a penny.

Let him. Next year is the lock out year.

[slats]

Who said he's worth 15 million?? A crazy coot in Oakland?? I agree Tanny screwed up approaching him after the season thinking he would be appreciative to a extension with 3 years left 2 at the clubs option..Had Revis agreed to say 12-13 million and 5 or 6 years there may have been good negotiation.. But he turned around and wanted 16..As far as the Ghost goes your feeling the team drafted a guy not worth his contract so boo hoo for them yet when they get a over achiever it's a crime if he doesn't get top dollar screw his contract?? That doesn't seem fair??

Yeah, boohoo for them.

Listen, rookie contracts are out of hand -everyone recognizes this- but if they had structured Gholston's deal heavy on salary and light on bonuses, he'd already be gone. They screwed up. But then look at Thomas Jones' deal. He was scheduled to make over $5M this season for the Jets, and they instead cut him (cue Sperm telling us that year was never intended to be paid). But that's what management can do and does do on a regular basis.

I'm gonna hold off and see what the two sides do or don't agree to before condemning Revis for holding out for Asomugha money.

[Savage69]

Yeah, boohoo for them.

Listen, rookie contracts are out of hand -everyone recognizes this- but if they had structured Gholston's deal heavy on salary and light on bonuses, he'd already be gone. They screwed up. But then look at Thomas Jones' deal. He was scheduled to make over $5M this season for the Jets, and they instead cut him (cue Sperm telling us that year was never intended to be paid). But that's what management can do and does do on a regular basis.

I'm gonna hold off and see what the two sides do or don't agree to before condemning Revis for holding out for Asomugha money.

The Sam Bradford contract is sickening..Believe it or not Revis made a tad less then River's in his first 3 years and he was the 4th player taken in the draft and a QB..What alot of fans don't seem to get is you can't look at just 1 year of a player like Revis getting 1 million this year.. Say someone owed you 10 bucks and on Monday they paid you 9 and Tues a buck would you look at it like you weren't paid back fairly??

[slats]

The Sam Bradford contract is sickening..Believe it or not Revis made a tad less then River's in his first 3 years and he was the 4th player taken in the draft and a QB..What alot of fans don't seem to get is you can't look at just 1 year of a player like Revis getting 1 million this year.. Say someone owed you 10 bucks and on Monday they paid you 9 and Tues a buck would you look at it like you weren't paid back fairly??

Revis' total bonus money over the first three years of his deal have been $11.4M. Over that same time period, he's earned another $1.1M in salary. So in three years, he's made less in total than Asomugha averages per season over his current three year deal.

Not saying he should hold out for an identical deal, but he's far exceeded his contract already, and is not scheduled to make much more this year. So your analogy doesn't hold water.

[Savage69]

Revis' total bonus money over the first three years of his deal have been $11.4M. Over that same time period, he's earned another $1.1M in salary. So in three years, he's made less in total than Asomugha averages per season over his current three year deal.

Not saying he should hold out for an identical deal, but he's far exceeded his contract already, and is not scheduled to make much more this year. So your analogy doesn't hold water.

Aso is on his 2nd contract Revis made more last year then Aso did in his first 5 years combined.. http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=2740 You don't think Aso exceeded his deal in his first couple of years?? BTW I have Revis making over 14 million http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=4593

[slats]

Aso is on his 2nd contract Revis made more last year then Aso did in his first 5 years combined.. http://content.usato...spx?player=2740 You don't think Aso exceeded his deal in his first couple of years?? BTW I have Revis making over 14 million http://content.usato...spx?player=4593

I'm using Jason's numbers. I trust him more than USA Today. http://www.nyjetscap.com/darrellerevis.html

And again, I really don't give a crap about anyone else - including Aso. This is about what Revis is capable of getting. I support any player in his effort to get whatever he can from this league. It's a dangerous sport. These players literally put their lives on the line for our entertainment. The reason I think Revis should hold out is because I believe it will result in more money coming his way. Has nothing to do with the morality of honoring a contract (a one way street in the NFL), or what anyone else in the league gets paid. He's worth a lot more than he has coming, he's coming off an amazing year, and his team has high expectations that probably can't be achieved without his services. It's the perfect time for him to hold out.

[Savage69]

I'm using Jason's numbers. I trust him more than USA Today. http://www.nyjetscap.com/darrellerevis.html

And again, I really don't give a crap about anyone else - including Aso. This is about what Revis is capable of getting. I support any player in his effort to get whatever he can from this league. It's a dangerous sport. These players literally put their lives on the line for our entertainment. The reason I think Revis should hold out is because I believe it will result in more money coming his way. Has nothing to do with the morality of honoring a contract (a one way street in the NFL), or what anyone else in the league gets paid. He's worth a lot more than he has coming, he's coming off an amazing year, and his team has high expectations that probably can't be achieved without his services. It's the perfect time for him to hold out.

It's their choice to do so just as our Military risks theirs to keep the Country safe and for alot less..

[slats]

It's their choice to do so just as our Military risks theirs to keep the Country safe and for alot less..

Unlike the military (for an unlimited number of reasons) it's their choice whether they feel they're being paid enough to show up for work, too.

[ylekram]

Revis' total bonus money over the first three years of his deal have been $11.4M. Over that same time period, he's earned another $1.1M in salary. So in three years, he's made less in total than Asomugha averages per season over his current three year deal.

Not saying he should hold out for an identical deal, but he's far exceeded his contract already, and is not scheduled to make much more this year. So your analogy doesn't hold water.

lets not forget.ya.revis had a superstar year last year.you cannot say the same for years 1 and 2.he was pretty decent in his rookie year.got alot better in his second year.so the 15m revis received from the jets for one ok year,one good year,and one great year seems a little just to me.add in 21m for 3 more years and i think the jets were more than generous in an unproven rookie.

[GodWearsAGrayHoodie]

Unlike the military (for an unlimited number of reasons) it's their choice whether they feel they're being paid enough to show up for work, too.

Not really. The expectation is the players that are under contract will show up to camp. The team can fine players for not doing so, etc. The rules of the CBA say a player may "hold out" when not under contract but when he is a unsigned ERA, RFA, or has been tagged with the franchise tag. The CBA rules do not allow a signed player to skip camp because he does not feel his negotiated contract is high enough. This is not a Logan Mankins type deal where the player has not signed the contract tendered to him. Revis is under contract.

[Bruce Banner]

lets not forget.ya.revis had a superstar year last year.you cannot say the same for years 1 and 2.he was pretty decent in his rookie year.got alot better in his second year.so the 15m revis received from the jets for one ok year,one good year,and one great year seems a little just to me.add in 21m for 3 more years and i think the jets were more than generous in an unproven rookie.

This is why I want to trade Revis for picks. He's determined to have one single year set the price for every year on his contract. But we all know players rarely perform at that high a level for very long. Look at the year Deion Sanders had when he won Defensive Player of the Year, didn't take him long to come down to average.

[slats]

Not really. The expectation is the players that are under contract will show up to camp. The team can fine players for not doing so, etc. The rules of the CBA say a player may "hold out" when not under contract but when he is a unsigned ERA, RFA, or has been tagged with the franchise tag. The CBA rules do not allow a signed player to skip camp because he does not feel his negotiated contract is high enough. This is not a Logan Mankins type deal where the player has not signed the contract tendered to him. Revis is under contract.

C'mon! He's subject to fines, not the brig. This isn't the military. Holding out is a player's only recourse if he feels he's not being paid fairly, and it's an option available to him if he's willing to absorb the fines.

[greenerdaze]

He's not under contract for three more years right now. He is only under contract for one year at $1M. That's it. The next two years are an option the team can pick up after the season. If Revis tears his ACL this summer, do you think he'll see that "guaranteed" money?

It's the risk factor that makes pro sports salaries outrageous in the first place. Compare them to other occupations. These kids are made instant millionaires before they subject themselves to the hazards of the job, before they deliver the goods on the field. Because sh!t happens, unforeseen bad breaks are already accounted for - to a reasonable degree.

Revis isn't committed to years 5 & 6 of his deal, but he was well aware of the contract structure and how much to expect each year.

He agreed to the terms.

Truth is, if everyone else was earning less, he'd be content with the existing terms. The ego, unfortunately, plays a huge role.

So what if he had a great year. All players are expected to excel at the pro level for that kind of money, very few do. Can't the owners catch a break once in awhile?

[GodWearsAGrayHoodie]

Twenty most dangerous jobs in America....

http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/1500/1/?redirectURL=http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-04-08/the-20-most-dangerous-jobs/

Football player didn't make the top 20.

However, the cops at the stadium, the security guards at the stadium, the guys who built the stadium, the guys who haul away the trash after the game, the guys who grow or catch the food you eat at the stadium, the guys who drove the beer to the stadium, the taxi driver that brings the fans to the stadium, and the pilot who flies the team plane all have more dangerous jobs than Mr. Revis.

[slats]

Here's the reason I would advise Revis to hold out once again:

The reason I think Revis should hold out is because I believe it will result in more money coming his way. Has nothing to do with the morality of honoring a contract (a one way street in the NFL), or what anyone else in the league gets paid. He's worth a lot more than he has coming, he's coming off an amazing year, and his team has high expectations that probably can't be achieved without his services. It's the perfect time for him to hold out.

It's a business. It's a business for the players just as it is a business for the owners. The owners will always do what's in their best interest financially, and I fully support every player's right to do the exact same thing. Don't care if astronaut is a more dangerous profession, or that a security guard is underpaid. I support their efforts to make more money, too, but their situations have nothing to do with the best CB in the NFL.

[RutgersJetFan]

It's a business.

I don't understand why the issue has to be viewed in any other light besides this. Really. It's mind-boggling the lengths that people want to take their arguments to. Solazzo isn't a bad guy and Brando certainly isn't a good one.

[CoachTsurfing]

Seriously though... Revis held out for this very contract that is causing a problem. You cannot just keep caving into his demands every couple of years.

IF they sign him it needs to be a 5-7 year deal that will NOT be re-negotiated.

exactly, and why doesn't the news report about the signing bonus he got.