Jenkins: Jets can win without Revis

[SoFlaJets]

July, 31, 2010 Jul 31

1:14PM ET By Tim Graham

Darrelle Revis very well might be the best defender in all sports.

That doesn't make him indispensable -- even to one of his most prominent teammates.

New York Jets nose tackle Kris Jenkins reasoned if they could maintain the NFL's top-rated defense without him, then they can do it sans their all-galaxy cornerback.

"You have to understand that this defense did a very good job of getting along without me being there, and me coming back, it's humbled me tremendously," Jenkins told host Michael Kay of ESPN 1050 in New York. "I know this isn't the type of team I can be on and act like the center of attention.

"With Revis, it's the same thing. ... We definitely have the talent to go and keep on achieving our goals if Revis is going to be absent. I would love to see Revis there, but if not we have to keep on fighting."

Revis is contemplating a training-camp holdout in hopes of a more favorable contract. He will make only $1 million this year despite his soaring reputation as the NFL's best cover corner.

Jenkins claimed Dwight Lowery and first-round draft pick Kyle Wilson could compensate for a missing Revis opposite right cornerback Antonio Cromartie, a notion football analyst KC Joyner proposed in June.

Jenkins suffered a season-ending knee injury in Week 6, filling Rex Ryan with dread. But the Jets finished with the No. 1 total defense, scoring defense and pass defense.

Kay also asked Jenkins about the Jets' propensity for trash talking and whether that's courting trouble.

"Honestly, playing football, you can go out there and talk and you can go out there and say nothing. It's still going to be the same type of game," Jenkins said. "A lot of people, when they hear things in the paper or on the air, they really start to think guys are asking for it.

"Seriously, I haven't played a team yet that you've been nice to in the paper and they go out and take it easy on you on Sunday. This is a professional sport. Guys don't really care how we feel."

[slats]

Jenkins claimed Dwight Lowery and first-round draft pick Kyle Wilson could compensate for a missing Revis opposite right cornerback Antonio Cromartie, a notion football analyst KC Joyner proposed in June.

Does anyone really believe that?

Not only would that be one less player available to rush the passer, but I doubt that Lowery and Wilson could combine to cover the league's best receivers anywhere near as well as Revis does all alone.

I'm sure Jenkins was stung by Pouha's performance last year, but the Jets don't have a backup Revis. There's not another one in the league.

[Ryno the Jet]

I am a big fan of Big Chris, but he sure is talking quite a bit this off-season. I do not disagree with his stance in this particular interview, but I am ready for him to start making hits instead of making headlines. Monday can't come soon enough!

[InstantClassic]

I am a big fan of Big Chris, but he sure is talking quite a bit this off-season. I do not disagree with his stance in this particular interview, but I am ready for him to start making hits instead of making headlines. Monday can't come soon enough!

Really? Is that why his name is Kris?

[Sharrow]

We were ok last year when Jenkins went out because we had guys on the d line step up and compensate a little. I don't think it would be the same with Revis. We might be able to make the playoffs without him, but the best AFC passing teams could tear us a new one like the Colts did last season. No SB without Revis, imo.

[Matt39]

Jenkins already hurt...on the active PUP list. What a shock.

[Blackout]

I say we trade Revis for Megatron

[JiFtheOracle]

I say we trade Revis for Megatron

He's right and I guarantee everyone else involved with the team feels the same way...or we would have a deal in place.

Its like some of you actually think if Mevis doesnt play that everyone is just going to give up and the season is a loss. Team have won without the talents of Mevis for years. Nothing will change. Are we better with him? Yep. Is the season over without him? Not even close!

I almost want Mevis to sit the season out so he can watch how successful the Jets can be with or without him. It would be so sweet if we won the division and returned to the AFC game without Mevis. I love when players think they are bigger than the team and its gets shoved in their face.

[MadBacker Prime]

I am a big fan of Big Chris, but he sure is talking quite a bit this off-season. I do not disagree with his stance in this particular interview, but I am ready for him to start making hits instead of making headlines. Monday can't come soon enough!

Well my favorite Player was Neon Warshinton, but not it's Wart Scott or Just Skeller.

[jeti_knight]

We would not do good without revis. Rex and tanny aquired players around his solid play. Even though revis played solid d against the colts we didn't have anyone else who could play corner so they went out and got cromartie then wilson and as of right now our secondary is inpenetrable without him it would be extremely difficult to blitz as much as rex does as well because he cuts out the threat of a big playmaking reciever through man to man cov which if you've ever played corner (iand I do) its extremely difficult to do even against average recievers and he locks down the best

[JohnnyHector]

We would not do good without revis. Rex and tanny aquired players around his solid play. Even though revis played solid d against the colts we didn't have anyone else who could play corner so they went out and got cromartie then wilson and as of right now our secondary is inpenetrable without him it would be extremely difficult to blitz as much as rex does as well because he cuts out the threat of a big playmaking reciever through man to man cov which if you've ever played corner (iand I do) its extremely difficult to do even against average recievers and he locks down the best

Though used in a variety of institutions, the Wonderlic test has become best known for its use in the NFL pre-draft assessments of prospective football players.

This assessment roughly corresponds to the averages revealed, according to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, by an NFL personnel man in Paul Zimmerman's "The New Thinking man's Guide to Pro Football," which are:

Offensive tackles: 26

Centers: 25

Quarterbacks: 24

Guards: 23

Tight Ends: 22

Safeties: 19

Middle linebackers: 19

Cornerbacks: 18

Wide receivers: 17

Fullbacks: 17

Halfbacks: 16

Yeah, sounds about right.

[MadBacker Prime]

I'll say it again.

In 2008 the NY Jets with Revis had the 29th ranked pass defense, that means only 3 teams were worse.

In 2008 the Ravens without Revis were the 2nd ranked pass defense, that means only 1 team was better. (Pittsburgh)

The Ravens starting secondary was LCB-Fabian Washington/Chris McAlister, RCB-Samari Rolle, Frank Walker, SS-Jim Leonhard, FS- Ed Reed.

That year their CB's combined for 8 INT', and 41 PD's. Rex designes his system around his players. Obviously having Revis would make things much easier but Rex could honestly do it without him.

Rex designed last years defense to get the QB to throw at Revis, that's why he had 31 PD's. In 2008 Darrelle only had 16.

[Dude Love]

Statistically, the Jets had the number one defense last year, and ranked somewhere in the middle on offense. In 2010, the offense will be improved, they are going to score more PPG. Will it be enough to compensate for a potential Revis holdout?

Let me put it this way, the Jets won 9 games last year. With or without Revis they could win nine games again.

I'm not going to mail in the season over one guy being a selfish *******.

[JiFtheOracle]

Statistically, the Jets had the number one defense last year, and ranked somewhere in the middle on offense. In 2010, the offense will be improved, they are going to score more PPG. Will it be enough to compensate for a potential Revis holdout?

Let me put it this way, the Jets won 9 games last year. With or without Revis they could win nine games again.

I'm not going to mail in the season over one guy being a selfish *******.

Nobody in their right mind would DL...nobody. You read this board and some literally make it out like the Jets will give up because in the back of their mind they know they cant win without him. It ridiculous.

Mevis in all his greatness was a part of a 9-7 team. I think the Jets improve upon that record with or without Mevis.

[serphnx]

We were ok last year when Jenkins went out because we had guys on the d line step up and compensate a little. I don't think it would be the same with Revis. We might be able to make the playoffs without him, but the best AFC passing teams could tear us a new one like the Colts did last season. No SB without Revis, imo.

Then what would be the difference? In case you didn't notice, the Colts tore us a new one last year WITH Revis.

You can't cover against the best QBs in the league, you have to hit them. That's why you need pass rushers. A healthy Jenkins is actually a bigger asset than Revis. When he was healthy, Jenkins was the best NT in the league, no question. The Jets got past that last year, I'm sure they can get past Revis not being there either.

Revis is a fool though if he really sits out with 2 years left with uncertain labor negotiations. I'd rather have $1M than $0. Hell, I have worked $10/hr jobs in the past just to have money coming in, because it's better than being unemployed. Once he's playing other opportunities will come. If he replicates last year and a new CBA is reached, the Jets will take care of him during the season. If he sits out for a year, who knows.

[GodWearsAGrayHoodie]

I'm not going to mail in the season over one guy being a selfish *******.

The Jets can win without Revis. They can also lose with him. Revis could show up to camp today and the Jets could still miss the playoffs or even earn the first pick in the 2011 draft. And the Jets could win the superbowl w/o Revis. However, Jets chances are a whole lot better with him than without him.

[Revis is the GOAT]

Rex designed last years defense to get the QB to throw at Revis, that's why he had 31 PD's. In 2008 Darrelle only had 16.

lmao

rex put revis in man coverage against teams number 1 receiver and said to shadow him where ever he lines up on the field. lets not make it sound like nuclear fission here. revis is great because he's got an incredible skill-set and the work ethic to go with it, rex's scheme didn't make him what he is.

[Revis is the GOAT]

The Jets can win without Revis. They can also lose with him. Revis could show up to camp today and the Jets could still miss the playoffs or even earn the first pick in the 2011 draft. And the Jets could win the superbowl w/o Revis. However, Jets chances are a whole lot better with him than without him.

wow ground-breaking stuff here. i think espn might be interested in your insights, maybe you should forward your resume

[Revis is the GOAT]

Yeah, sounds about right.

wtf does the wonderlic have to do with anything? corner is a premium position, look at the contracts theyre given and where theyre drafted every year. its even more of a premium position in ryans defense

[JiFtheOracle]

lmao

rex put revis in man coverage against teams number 1 receiver and said to shadow him where ever he lines up on the field. lets not make it sound like nuclear fission here. revis is great because he's got an incredible skill-set and the work ethic to go with it, rex's scheme didn't make him what he is.

Rex makes Mevi$. Without him, there wouldnt be a bunch loonies like you running around claiming he's the GOAT.

[MadBacker Prime]

lmao

rex put revis in man coverage against teams number 1 receiver and said to shadow him where ever he lines up on the field. lets not make it sound like nuclear fission here. revis is great because he's got an incredible skill-set and the work ethic to go with it, rex's scheme didn't make him what he is.

LOL-

No it is, that's why Revis had so many PD's. The whole point was to GOAT QB's into throwing that way. A lot has to go into getting that to work. Making sure all other options were covered, so the QB would have to attempt throwing to his best target.

If it was so simple everyone would do it.

[JohnnyHector]

wtf does the wonderlic have to do with anything? corner is a premium position, look at the contracts theyre given and where theyre drafted every year. its even more of a premium position in ryans defense

That post had nothing to do with Revis... nevermind.

[Revis is the GOAT]

LOL-

No it is, that's why Revis had so many PD's. The whole point was to GOAT QB's into throwing that way. A lot has to go into getting that to work. Making sure all other options were covered, so the QB would have to attempt throwing to his best target.

If it was so simple everyone would do it.

well, they don't have darrelle revis. what other corner can shut down randy moss, andre johnson, and other elite receivers one on one? asomugha is the other but he only plays rcb, it's too easy to avoid him by lining up your number one on the other side of the field or in the slot. revis got the ball thrown his way because teams cant just take their best player out of game plan, not because "all other options were covered" (lol). be honest, did u even watch the games last year?

[Revis is the GOAT]

Rex makes Mevi$. Without him, there wouldnt be a bunch loonies like you running around claiming he's the GOAT.

ive been watching the nfl since the 70's, revis is the best ive seen. too soon to call him the goat (just wanted to rile some people up), but he will be if he keeps his level of play up.

[JiFtheOracle]

ive been watching the nfl since the 70's, revis is the best ive seen. too soon to call him the goat (just wanted to rile some people up), but he will be if he keeps his level of play up.

At least you own up to it, some truly believe it. But did you feel that way about Mevi$ before Rex?

[Matt39]

Rex makes Mevi$. Without him, there wouldnt be a bunch loonies like you running around claiming he's the GOAT.

Care to explain this genius statement

A scheme really doesnt make a guy who has the ability to shadow guys one on one in coverage with zero help. Revis was doing this the year prior with Mangini too.

[serphnx]

ive been watching the nfl since the 70's, revis is the best ive seen. too soon to call him the goat (just wanted to rile some people up), but he will be if he keeps his level of play up.

You really think he's better than Deion Sanders? Sanders was the best I've ever seen myself. I'm a huge fan of the corner slot, it's been watered down though. I used to love when you could jam the WR at the line or just knock them flat on their asses. Also everyone used to use the hand check back then, but I don't think you're allowed to touch the WR anymore, so it makes it a lot harder.

When I used to play in HS I'd always hand check because nobody would ever call it. I played CB for about a year and a half before becoming QB. If they let you put your hand on the WR again you'd see the level of CB play go up immensely. It's just such a great advantage to be able to know where the receiver is without having to actually look at him, you could play the ball. Sanders did that, that's why he'd own an entire side of the field. It didn't matter which WR you threw to, if you threw anywhere near him he could pick you off.

With Revis, you just have to not throw towards his WR, but you can still complete on that side of the field. What made Sanders even more dangerous was that if you threw anything over say 40 yards or so, it didn't even matter if he was on the other side of the field, after you threw it he ran towards the ball and he could very will pick it right off.

The advantage I give Revis is that he is indeed better in run support and tackling. But if you're talking pure cover, I can't put Revis over Sanders, especially after only 1 great season. Let me see him play a few more years.

I still think Champ Bailey is a very good CB too incidentally...everyone forgot about him though.

[JiFtheOracle]

Care to explain this genius statement

A scheme really doesnt make a guy who has the ability to shadow guys one on one in coverage with zero help. Revis was doing this the year prior with Mangini too.

Sure, my logic is simple.

Prior to Rex, Mevi$ was a great player and our defense was poop. With Rex, our defense is #1 and all of a sudden, Mevi$ is the best player in franchise history, GOAT at his position. What is there to explain? Proof is the in the pudding. There is one variable in this equation and he's a large fat man that knows how to coach defense. Doesnt take a genius to see that.

[Matt39]

Sure, my logic is simple.

Prior to Rex, Mevi$ was a great player and our defense was poop. With Rex, our defense is #1 and all of a sudden, Mevi$ is the best player in franchise history, GOAT at his position. What is there to explain? Proof is the in the pudding. There is one variable in this equation and he's a large fat man that knows how to coach defense. Doesnt take a genius to see that.

So what your saying is that Rex knows how to use his players properly and Mangini was a moron.

What does Rex have to do with anything here other than knowing how to use his talent? The one variable is Revis being unbelievably good.

[Dude Love]

So what your saying is that Rex knows how to use his players properly and Mangini was a moron.

What does Rex have to do with anything here other than knowing how to use his talent? The one variable is Revis being unbelievably good.

I don't know how the Saints won the SB last year without revis.

[MadBacker Prime]

well, they don't have darrelle revis. what other corner can shut down randy moss, andre johnson, and other elite receivers one on one? asomugha is the other but he only plays rcb, it's too easy to avoid him by lining up your number one on the other side of the field or in the slot. revis got the ball thrown his way because teams cant just take their best player out of game plan, not because "all other options were covered" (lol). be honest, did u even watch the games last year?

Nope you caught me, I did not watch one down. I just go to the games to waste my money. Clearly you are not getting what I'm saying, they're are plenty of articles on the topic. About how Revis can't repeat last year because teams know what the gameplan is. I'm not getting into this AGAIN.

When did Darrelle give you the Roman Helmet?

Did you even watch the PLAYOFFS? That's exactly how the Colts beat us, and how Cincy lost. They did not even look at thdeir #1's.

[Matt39]

I don't know how the Saints won the SB last year without revis.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

[MadBacker Prime]

ive been watching the nfl since the 70's, revis is the best ive seen. too soon to call him the goat (just wanted to rile some people up), but he will be if he keeps his level of play up.

Have you ever played? watching is easy-

[Revis is the GOAT]

You really think he's better than Deion Sanders? Sanders was the best I've ever seen myself. I'm a huge fan of the corner slot, it's been watered down though. I used to love when you could jam the WR at the line or just knock them flat on their asses. Also everyone used to use the hand check back then, but I don't think you're allowed to touch the WR anymore, so it makes it a lot harder.

When I used to play in HS I'd always hand check because nobody would ever call it. I played CB for about a year and a half before becoming QB. If they let you put your hand on the WR again you'd see the level of CB play go up immensely. It's just such a great advantage to be able to know where the receiver is without having to actually look at him, you could play the ball. Sanders did that, that's why he'd own an entire side of the field. It didn't matter which WR you threw to, if you threw anywhere near him he could pick you off.

With Revis, you just have to not throw towards his WR, but you can still complete on that side of the field. What made Sanders even more dangerous was that if you threw anything over say 40 yards or so, it didn't even matter if he was on the other side of the field, after you threw it he ran towards the ball and he could very will pick it right off.

The advantage I give Revis is that he is indeed better in run support and tackling. But if you're talking pure cover, I can't put Revis over Sanders, especially after only 1 great season. Let me see him play a few more years.

I still think Champ Bailey is a very good CB too incidentally...everyone forgot about him though.

revis is the whole package, he's got the extraordinary coverage ability, but he's also got the ball-skills where you'd think he's a receiver out there making plays on the ball. text-book tackling technique, excellent wrap and lift, just like you see linebackers do, which is so rare for corners. and watch him press ochcocinco at :17

i've never seen anything like this guy

[JiFtheOracle]

So what your saying is that Rex knows how to use his players properly and Mangini was a moron.

What does Rex have to do with anything here other than knowing how to use his talent? The one variable is Revis being unbelievably good.

No, its clearly not the one variable. Rex has proved his system works for years in the NFL without the talents of Mevi$. He's had top notch #1 D's for years and been known as one of the best defensive minds in the league for a long time.

Mevi$ has not proved that he is worthy of the GOAT, greatest player in franchise history without the talents of Rex.

So again, proof is the in the pudding and the one variable is Rex.

Mangini being a moron has nothing to do with it.