For those who support Revis, I ask you this

[SouthernJet]

OK, so you support him not coming to camp to honor his remaining years on his contract because you think he has outplayed the deal he signed. OK, I get that.

I get you are telling people you support him, you think he should hold out to get what he deserves.

I ask you this. What if Revis had decided to stage his holdout after week 10 say , as we go into the playoff drive?

The issues are the same. Its just timing is different. Actually he would have Jets over a bigger barrel.

Would you as a Jets fan support this downtrodden worker and showing the capitalist boss as we get ready to make a playoff drive and play in playoff games??

I am sure some will say Yes, but the reality might be different if we were looking at a November walkout.

[slats]

Holding out now, he's trying to get it done before the season. That's the right (and traditional) way to go about it. It also gives credence to the very real injury angle - as in, he gets seriously injured and his earning potential goes out the window. He wouldn't have that if he played up until November and then walked. I think that's a major, justified issue with this holdout. So without giving it too much thought, I'd have to say no.

But just to uphold my reputation, I will say that if the players felt the only way they could get the attention of the owners was to collectively strike in November, I would support them in that action no matter how much it upset me as a fan.

[aec4]

OK, so you support him not coming to camp to honor his remaining years on his contract because you think he has outplayed the deal he signed. OK, I get that.

I get you are telling people you support him, you think he should hold out to get what he deserves.

I ask you this. What if Revis had decided to stage his holdout after week 10 say , as we go into the playoff drive?

The issues are the same. Its just timing is different. Actually he would have Jets over a bigger barrel.

Would you as a Jets fan support this downtrodden worker and showing the capitalist boss as we get ready to make a playoff drive and play in playoff games??

I am sure some will say Yes, but the reality might be different if we were looking at a November walkout.

If he did it after week 10, he'd end up losing a lot more money, and probably have a hard time getting any money in his next contract.

doing it this time, people understand this is the traditional time to do it.

[Apache 51]

How long have you been following the NFL?

[dbatesman]

For those who support Revis, I ask you this: what if he were a flesh-eating goblin who lured Rex's wife into his shadowy mountain lair and threatened to devour her if he didn't get $50 million guaranteed? The issues are the same, the methods are different. Actually, he would have the Jets over a bigger barrel. Would you hippie freaks still support this brute's demands with a woman's life at stake? I'm sure some will say yes, but the reality might be different if Revis started mailing fingers to Florham Park.

[rillo]

For those who support Revis, I ask you this: what if he were a flesh-eating goblin who lured Rex's wife into his shadowy mountain lair and threatened to devour her if he didn't get $50 million guaranteed? The issues are the same, the methods are different. Actually, he would have the Jets over a bigger barrel. Would you hippie freaks still support this brute's demands with a woman's life at stake? I'm sure some will say yes, but the reality might be different if Revis started mailing fingers to Florham Park.

Awesome, I like this one better, and I'd support it too!

[bitonti]

For those who support Revis, I ask you this: what if he were a flesh-eating goblin who lured Rex's wife into his shadowy mountain lair and threatened to devour her if he didn't get $50 million guaranteed? The issues are the same, the methods are different. Actually, he would have the Jets over a bigger barrel. Would you hippie freaks still support this brute's demands with a woman's life at stake? I'm sure some will say yes, but the reality might be different if Revis started mailing fingers to Florham Park.

hilarious

[shawn306]

OK, so you support him not coming to camp to honor his remaining years on his contract because you think he has outplayed the deal he signed. OK, I get that.

I get you are telling people you support him, you think he should hold out to get what he deserves.

I ask you this. What if Revis had decided to stage his holdout after week 10 say , as we go into the playoff drive?

The issues are the same. Its just timing is different. Actually he would have Jets over a bigger barrel.

Would you as a Jets fan support this downtrodden worker and showing the capitalist boss as we get ready to make a playoff drive and play in playoff games??

I am sure some will say Yes, but the reality might be different if we were looking at a November walkout.

I can't think of the last time someone (if anyone) has started the season and then walked out on the team because he felt he was underpaid.

If anyone every did that he would have a hard time looking his teamates in the eye.

Let's put it like this.

Back in 1993 Emmitt Smith held out. That hold out lasted till week 3 and the Cowboys were 0-2. Smith got a deal done after that and the Cowboys went on to win the Super Bowl.

If Revis' holdout runs into say those first two games (very big games Baltimore and New England) then I would have a major issue.

Until that point I will believe they will get some kind of deal done.

[Bleedin Green]

If he did it after week 10, he'd end up losing a lot more money, and probably have a hard time getting any money in his next contract.

doing it this time, people understand this is the traditional time to do it.

If he did it at that point, he'd probably get himself run out of the league. I may think Revis is kind of being a douche about this whole thing, but I still don't believe he's anywhere near that big of a douche (or that big of an idiot).

[Gyno-Tony]

OK, so you support him not coming to camp to honor his remaining years on his contract because you think he has outplayed the deal he signed. OK, I get that.

I get you are telling people you support him, you think he should hold out to get what he deserves.

I ask you this. What if Revis had decided to stage his holdout after week 10 say , as we go into the playoff drive?

The issues are the same. Its just timing is different. Actually he would have Jets over a bigger barrel.

Would you as a Jets fan support this downtrodden worker and showing the capitalist boss as we get ready to make a playoff drive and play in playoff games??

I am sure some will say Yes, but the reality might be different if we were looking at a November walkout.

wut does this have nuttin to do with nuttin??? save your what ifs for the garbage man., AHAHAHAHA!!!

[Fifth Amendment]

Some of you guys just don't understand that the NFL is a business first, and a game second. Greedy owners are tolerated, greedy players are vilified. I don't understand it. I mean, athletes are the only people on earth who are criticized for seeking top dollar for their services. Services which, no one on earth could reproduce. I understand the Jets fan' perspective, but you're crazy if you think Revis is any less greedy than Woody with his billion dollar PSL's. If the guy reports to camp and tears his ACL, like Dominique Foxworth or AJ Edds, or Wille Colon, he'll have blown his chance at a 40-60 million dollar pay day. Call him greedy all you want, but he's doing the smart thing.

[villain_the_foe]

OK, so you support him not coming to camp to honor his remaining years on his contract because you think he has outplayed the deal he signed. OK, I get that.

Thats not why I support his holdout.

I am sure some will say Yes, but the reality might be different if we were looking at a November walkout.

The reality would be different with any player threatening a walkout in November, December.

[SouthernJet]

Holding out now, he's trying to get it done before the season. That's the right (and traditional) way to go about it. It also gives credence to the very real injury angle - as in, he gets seriously injured and his earning potential goes out the window. He wouldn't have that if he played up until November and then walked. I think that's a major, justified issue with this holdout. So without giving it too much thought, I'd have to say no.

But just to uphold my reputation, I will say that if the players felt the only way they could get the attention of the owners was to collectively strike in November, I would support them in that action no matter how much it upset me as a fan.

haha...I hear ya Slats. I think most Jets 'fans' wouldnt support a late season walkout regradless of labor beliefs,,howvere, I see a bright political future for you with your addendum

[SouthernJet]

How long have you been following the NFL?

Actually 50 years, since I was a ballboy for the Buffalo Bills in 1960.

Its a 'fun' type question on a messageboard. Calm down Nigel.

[BP]

Revis has turned into a thug turd

[Klecko73isGod]

Revis has turned into a thug turd

I thought he had to do something to harm someone in order to be a thug turd? Does a hold out qualify someone for thug turd status? SouthernJet? Care to clarify?

[SouthernJet]

I thought he had to do something to harm someone in order to be a thug turd? Does a hold out qualify someone for thug turd status? SouthernJet? Care to clarify?

well if he isnt there on Opening day, he is HURTING my blood pressure and the chances of his team-mates to go to SuperBowl..so BP is on right track..

[LWC611]

Revis has turned into a thug turd

[Apache 51]

Actually 50 years, since I was a ballboy for the Buffalo Bills in 1960.

Its a 'fun' type question on a messageboard. Calm down Nigel.

Great question ballboy.

[SouthernJet]

Great question ballboy.

see. isnt more fun being nice?

[SMC]

Conceptually, I support Revis holding out. I just think his demands are absurd.

The OP hypothetical is just nuts and I really can't fathom the situation.

[SouthernJet]

Conceptually, I support Revis holding out. I just think his demands are absurd.

The OP hypothetical is just nuts and I really can't fathom the situation.

well its meant in fun, but in laymens terms, would you support revis using his leverage week 10 as opposed to before season starts?

if u dont want to play thast cool..its not the end of the world

[GodWearsAGrayHoodie]

Actually 50 years, since I was a ballboy for the Buffalo Bills in 1960.

Its a 'fun' type question on a messageboard. Calm down Nigel.

Way off topic but I am gonna ask anyway 'cause I am always curious about "fan movement".

I am assuming if you were a ball boy for the Bills you were a fan of theirs. What caused you to switch to a division rival?

[SouthernJet]

Way off topic but I am gonna ask anyway 'cause I am always curious about "fan movement".

I am assuming if you were a ball boy for the Bills you were a fan of theirs. What caused you to switch to a division rival?

I was 8/9, and then moved to NYC area when 11.

It was namath era..

if I was older, I probably would have never switched allegiances, but at 11, and coming into Joe Namth era..too much to resist.

Plus my father took me to Jets games etc.

[NorthCoastJetsFan]

Two things about the Revis situation:

1. If he didn't want a 5 year contract, he shouldn't have signed it. Play out the contract and I'll support him for whatever he wants.

2. If he had a crappy year last year and was continually beat like a drum, would the Jets be right in renegotiating his contract down?

A contract is signed in good faith and should protect both sides interests. Just because your agent did a crappy job in negotiations doesn't mean you can break it whenever you want.

[BroadwayJ667]

I think he is being a greedy a$$ wanting that much money. To live a nice life you don't need that much. I do agree he should be well compensated. I don't believe this holdout will last past the 4th preseason game. They will compromise.

Be honest would you be happy if the Jets gave him his money now and Revis got Dumervil'd. Gee wouldn't we all feel ******* great then.

This is a non story and I'm tired of talking about it.

So I'm done. I'll be back on this if he is still holding out by week one.

[villain_the_foe]

Two things about the Revis situation:

1. If he didn't want a 5 year contract, he shouldn't have signed it. Play out the contract and I'll support him for whatever he wants.

You can renegotiate at anytime during any contract for whatever reason you deem necessary.

2. If he had a crappy year last year and was continually beat like a drum, would the Jets be right in renegotiating his contract down?

Teams in the league do that every year in some way shape or form. Didnt the Jets just do something similar with Gholston this year???

A contract is signed in good faith and should protect both sides interests. Just because your agent did a crappy job in negotiations doesn't mean you can break it whenever you want.

Actually, his agent did a damn good job with his contract, he was able to get a huge contract money wise given the amount of years and get it frontloaded so you can then do it again in 3 years lol. Thats genius if you ask me.

[slats]

Two things about the Revis situation:

1. If he didn't want a 5 year contract, he shouldn't have signed it. Play out the contract and I'll support him for whatever he wants.

He didn't want a six year contract, and that was the primary reason he held out as a rookie, but the jets were insistent and he wound up signing it because he had no leverage at all as the 14th pick in the draft.

2. If he had a crappy year last year and was continually beat like a drum, would the Jets be right in renegotiating his contract down?

Not this year, because it's a down year. But he collected a nice roster bonus last year, and you can bet that the Jets would've done everything they could've done to not pay that bonus if Revis had shown Vernon Gholston levels of progress his first two years. Teams come to players demanding paycuts all the time. They just recently did it with Thomas Jones who refused, so they cut him. That's the norm in the world of NFL contracts.

A contract is signed in good faith and should protect both sides interests. Just because your agent did a crappy job in negotiations doesn't mean you can break it whenever you want.

1.) His agent did a very nice job on his rookie deal, but no one foresaw him being considered the best CB in the league in his third season.

2.) Only the player is obligated to honor contracts. They're not guaranteed and thus not enforcable against management - only the player. The amount of good faith from management can be measured in the size of the signing bonus.

[GodWearsAGrayHoodie]

2.) Only the player is obligated to honor contracts. They're not guaranteed and thus not enforcable against management - only the player. The amount of good faith from management can be measured in the size of the signing bonus.

COMPLETELY WRONG. The signing bonus is not the amount of good faith from the management.

The signing bonus is the payment for the unilateral right to terminate the contract early. When a player signs a contact he walks away with a huge check having done absolutely nothing but agree that he will play out the length of his contract and the understanding that his signing bonus was managements payment in advance for the right to early termination of the contract.

Its not a one sided deal, but nor is both sides get the same thing. The player get a huge chunk of cash for doing nothing, the team gets the right to decided if the contract will end early.

[Dude Love]

see. isnt more fun being nice?

I've come to the conclusion that he will sign one of the two offers that have already been made a day or two before the season ends. He doesn't want to do training camp.

My predidction:

The Jets will get off to a slow start and finish the season 8-8. Hard Knocks will be a huge distraction.

[NIGHT STALKER]

I've come to the conclusion that he will sign one of the two offers that have already been made a day or two before the season ends. He doesn't want to do training camp.

My predidction:

The Jets will get off to a slow start and finish the season 8-8. Hard Knocks will be a huge distraction.

And if you're right, the line of Jets fans along the GW jumping into the Hudson will be epic.

[Dude Love]

And if you're right, the line of Jets fans along the GW jumping into the Hudson will be epic.

this whole storybook fantasy narrative about the Jets winning the SB is just plain silly. Jets fans suffer. Thats what we do.

[SouthernJet]

1.) His agent did a very nice job on his rookie deal, but no one foresaw him being considered the best CB in the league in his third season.

2.) Only the player is obligated to honor contracts. They're not guaranteed and thus not enforcable against management - only the player. The amount of good faith from management can be measured in the size of the signing bonus.

agree here..thats the way contracts are currently written, hence the passion of so many fans..

[slats]

COMPLETELY WRONG. The signing bonus is not the amount of good faith from the management.

The signing bonus is the payment for the unilateral right to terminate the contract early. When a player signs a contact he walks away with a huge check having done absolutely nothing but agree that he will play out the length of his contract and the understanding that his signing bonus was managements payment in advance for the right to early termination of the contract.

Its not a one sided deal, but nor is both sides get the same thing. The player get a huge chunk of cash for doing nothing, the team gets the right to decided if the contract will end early.

You can try to spin it, but I'm completely right. That signing bonus is the only part of the player's contract that he knows for certain is guaranteed. Everything else can be taken away for one reason or another. Especially in this environment, where they can guarantee for both injury and skill.

The players earn their signing bonuses by showing potential - not by doing nothing. If it was based on nothing, I'd get myself one of those fancy bonuses. That's the problem with rookie contracts nowadays, with players like Gholston or Russell not living up to their potential. But a guy who's been in the the league for three years who's already in the discussion for GOAT has certainly done more than just live up to his potential at this point. His original signing bonus was under $5M. The Jets are rumored to've placed his value to him in the $100-150M range. He's supposed to play for $550K with nothing guaranteed going forward because of that <$5M payment? Is that what you'd advise your son to do in the same situation?

And it's not like the owners and players hammered out these rules on equal footing. These are the rules that the players fought for, evolving from a system where they were drafted by a team, and they were that team's property until they were traded or out of football. And they were paid what their owner wanted to pay them. Today's rules aren't significantly better for the players. Revis has the juice and the stones to stand up to those rules. Good for him.

[Kleckineau]

Revis is certainly underpaid at his current contract but why should the NYJ be penalized for making a terrific draft pick?

If picks that outplay their contracts get to renegotiate maybe players that underperform should have their contract renegotiated also.

Make all contracts have a clause that mandates a re-evaluation after 2 years to adjust for performance.

Guys like Gholston would not be overpaid and guys like Revis could get what they are worth.