Hey Woody, stop being cheap!

[#90]

Jet fans have shelled out a lot of dough for this season. I am tired of hearing about cost savings. Sign A. Thomas NOW, and get him up to speed for game 1! And, in an uncapped year, Faneca for one last year would have been the smart move. And, most importantly, give Revis some guarented money. Enough already. The season is about to start.

[dbatesman]

Well, this should be fun.

[CTM]

Jet fans have shelled out a lot of dough for this season. I am tired of hearing about cost savings. Sign A. Thomas NOW, and get him up to speed for game 1! And, in an uncapped year, Faneca for one last year would have been the smart move. And, most importantly, give Revis some guarented money. Enough already. The season is about to start.

I haven't shelled out a penny. Not one cent!

[aec4]

Jet fans have shelled out a lot of dough for this season. I am tired of hearing about cost savings. Sign A. Thomas NOW, and get him up to speed for game 1! And, in an uncapped year, Faneca for one last year would have been the smart move. And, most importantly, give Revis some guarented money. Enough already. The season is about to start.

Yeah Woody, Damn the 30% rule, and Damn the extra money someone may cost, which would cause you to raise prices even higher... and what the hell, Damn the fact that Faneca was rated the worst pass blocking LG last year.

[SMC]

[THE ILK]

So where's the Hey MEvi$, stop being greedy! thread?

[Bruce Banner]

Jet fans have shelled out a lot of dough for this season. I am tired of hearing about cost savings. Sign A. Thomas NOW, and get him up to speed for game 1! And, in an uncapped year, Faneca for one last year would have been the smart move. And, most importantly, give Revis some guarented money. Enough already. The season is about to start.

I have a suspicion that part of the motive for not giving him a guaranteed contract is they are worried about his work ethic. Putting him on a game to game contract will keep him on his toes.

[Mistalava]

Jet fans have shelled out a lot of dough for this season. I am tired of hearing about cost savings. Sign A. Thomas NOW, and get him up to speed for game 1! And, in an uncapped year, Faneca for one last year would have been the smart move. And, most importantly, give Revis some guarented money. Enough already. The season is about to start.

Dead from the neck up.

[villain_the_foe]

Where's the "Mevi$, why are you so good" thread?

[faba]

I can not accuse Woody of being cheap- the guy wanted to do a West Side Stadium alone and has paid to bring in many higher profile players.

[stoicsentry]

Jet fans have shelled out a lot of dough for this season. I am tired of hearing about cost savings. Sign A. Thomas NOW, and get him up to speed for game 1! And, in an uncapped year, Faneca for one last year would have been the smart move. And, most importantly, give Revis some guarented money. Enough already. The season is about to start.

Yeah, Woody is so cheap! I defy you to think of just ONE high priced free agent that has been signed in the past three years!!!

[Klecko73isGod]

+1

This is ridiculous.

[JonEJet]

+1

This is ridiculous.

I find it hysterical that a fanbase that has b1tched and moaned from day 1 about not wanting to pay for PSL's screams when the owner pinches pennies

[sirlancemehlot]

I find it hysterical that a fanbase that has b1tched and moaned from day 1 about not wanting to pay for PSL's screams when the owner pinches pennies

Go to a game and pay $15 for a cheesesteak after shelling out $30k in PSL's and parking (for $25) in a designated lot farther away because you couldn't afford a club seat and while you're sipping your $9 beer see if you get annoyed at the prospect of not having the best product on the field because Woody "pinches pennies."

[bitonti]

Woody is not cheap. the problem is he's spent too much on capital and not enough on labor.

Capital:

According to Forbes the Jets have $750 mil debt on the stadium. That debt must be serviced even in a lock out. There is no real advantages to the new stadium for the fans but the ownership does get increased club and luxury inventory to sell.

Labor:

(disclaimer: I am using the words "Salary downgrade" to remove all football from the comparison. We can fight about whether it's an upgrade on the field or not until the cows come home, this is a pure salary comparison. Some of these situations are an improvement football-wise but we are talking about money here)

• Faneca salary downgrade to Slauson/Ducasse
  
• Rhodes salary downgrade to Pool
  
• Thomas Jones salary downgrade to LT2
  
• Feely salary downgrade to Folk
  
• Dearth salary downgrade to Purdum
  
• Clemens salary downgrade to Brunnell (if they do cut Clem)
  
• Lito salary downgrade to Cromartie
  
• Holmes salary downgrade cause he's only getting 12 game checks most players get 16.
  
• Adalius Thomas and Lav Coles not getting signed until week 2 to avoid full salary (if they do sign these players)
  
• Drew Coleman and Vernon Gholston restructured deals (pay cuts)
  
• and of course Darrelle Revis not getting a new deal (so far)
  
  

as for the raises on labor, it's a short list. Brick got a 1.7 mil bump. Mangold got a 4 mil bump. last year they took on Braylon who was more expensive than Clowney i guess. that's it. Rex, Tanny and Westy got coaching deals. They haven't been free spenders since pre-2009.

[Integrity28]

I haven't shelled out a penny. Not one cent!

I bought a hat.

On the reduced rack.

In Wrentham, Mass.

[Klecko73isGod]

Woody is not cheap. the problem is he's spent too much on capital and not enough on labor.

Capital:

According to Forbes the Jets have $750 mil debt on the stadium. That debt must be serviced even in a lock out. There is no real advantages to the new stadium for the fans but the ownership does get increased club and luxury inventory to sell.

Labor:

(disclaimer: I am using the words "Salary downgrade" to remove all football from the comparison. We can fight about whether it's an upgrade on the field or not until the cows come home, this is a pure salary comparison. Some of these situations are an improvement football-wise but we are talking about money here)

• Faneca salary downgrade to Slauson/Ducasse
  
• Rhodes salary downgrade to Pool
  
• Thomas Jones salary downgrade to LT2
  
• Feely salary downgrade to Folk
  
• Dearth salary downgrade to Purdum
  
• Clemens salary downgrade to Brunnell (if they do cut Clem)
  
• Lito salary downgrade to Cromartie
  
• Holmes salary downgrade cause he's only getting 12 game checks most players get 16.
  
• Adalius Thomas and Lav Coles not getting signed until week 2 to avoid full salary (if they do sign these players)
  
• Drew Coleman and Vernon Gholston restructured deals (pay cuts)
  
• and of course Darrelle Revis not getting a new deal (so far)
  
  

as for the raises on labor, it's a short list. Brick got a 1.7 mil bump. Mangold got a 4 mil bump. last year they took on Braylon who was more expensive than Clowney i guess. that's it. They haven't been free spenders since pre-2009.

Sorry bit, roster moves don't get made in a vacuum based solely on finances. Every move you listed is an improvement except for James Dearth and Revis not YET getting a new deal.

Not to mention that the Jets went to Revis and told him they wanted to pay him more money which is a point you and the pay Revis crowd consistently fail acknowledge in your desperation to sell a narrative in which the Jets are piching pennies.

[bitonti]

Sorry bit, roster moves don't get made in a vacuum based solely on finances. Every move you listed is an improvement except for James Dearth and Revis not YET getting a new deal.

its getting tough for me to buy that when Adalius Thomas says the Jets want me but not until week 2. You'd think if they want him week 2 they'd want him week 1. Why not get him working with the defense as soon as possible? MNF is a big game... and it's an uncapped year so there's no cap reason to wait.

[bitonti]

let me also add fans rushed to proclaim Pool an upgrade over Rhodes, according to Cimini he's already hurt and might not play in season opener.

[Klecko73isGod]

its getting tough for me to buy that when Adalius Thomas says the Jets want me but not until week 2. You'd think if they want him week 2 they'd want him week 1. Why not get him working with the defense as soon as possible? MNF is a big game... and it's an uncapped year so there's no cap reason to wait.

That's because the Jets have no intention of keeping Thomas once Pace returns so why pay him for games they have no intention of having him play? That's just good business sense.

[DireJet38]

let me also add fans rushed to proclaim Pool an upgrade over Rhodes, according to Cimini he's already hurt and might not play in season opener.

Well, didn't you get the memo?

Despite failing to win a Super Bowl since 1969, the Jets never do anything wrong.

Tanny's a genius!

Woody's the coolest, deep-pocketed owner!

Some of you need to wake the REX-BOMB up.

Historically, this is an incompetent franchise. Why should we trust them now?

[jgb]

That's because the Jets have no intention of keeping Thomas once Pace returns so why pay him for games they have no intention of having him play? That's just good business sense.

the problem is if pace misses 5 games you are reducing the amount of games by 20% that you want AT to fill in. plus, AT won't likely be very effective his first week back if he isn't with the team now so really you're making him a non-factor for 2 games which could be a full 50% of the games pace will miss.

[Matt39]

The new stadium was completely unneccesary.

[Klecko73isGod]

Well, didn't you get the memo?

Despite failing to win a Super Bowl since 1969, the Jets never do anything wrong.

Tanny's a genius!

Woody's the coolest, deep-pocketed owner!

Some of you need to wake the REX-BOMB up.

Historically, this is an incompetent franchise. Why should we trust them now?

Dude, there are many legitimate criticisms one can make of the Jets organization. Ripping them for not being willing to spend money ain't one of them.

[DireJet38]

Dude, there are many legitimate criticisms one can make of the Jets organization. Ripping them for not being willing to spend money ain't one of them.

Just a general feeling that exists right now.

[Sperm Edwards]

Lito Sheppard?

[Sperm Edwards]

let me also add fans rushed to proclaim Pool an upgrade over Rhodes, according to Cimini he's already hurt and might not play in season opener.

1) The Jets' secondary coach also said it when no one was asking about him. Even after the Jets picked up Santonio Holmes for a 5th rounder, Thurman said when the dust settles Pool is going to emerge as the biggest steal of the offseason. Now I think, particularly considering someone like Holmes, that he may be overreaching a tad. But if nothing else, it sure sounds like an upgrade to me. Oh yeah, and I've lost count of how many players anonymously bad-mouth Rhodes for hitting like a bitch. I guess if Pool hits like that he won't get hurt either.

2) He's playing in the opener. Being ambiguous about an injury is nothing new in the NFL ('maybe it's a sprain, maybe it's a high sprain, maybe they need to amputate, or maybe it's nothing.' Tom Brady has been listed as questionable, it seems, for the last 5 years. Other than when he actually got his knee ligament torn away, he plays every week. Or just ready what Pool says himself:

"I've been getting treatment on it, so I should be fine," Pool said. "I'm not worried at all. This is nothing."

[Sperm Edwards]

Feely was a cost-saving move now? lol. Feely was not re-signed so the Jets would be able to add a free agent prior to July; namely Jason Taylor. If the Jets had cut Feely in favor of Folk, and there was no other reason, then and only then is it a cost-saving move. The cost savings from Feely to Folk are minimal and incidental, considering the Jets offered Feely $1.2M they knew he probably wouldn't take.

Kellen Clemens has not been cut.

Thomas Jones? Show me one NFL team was willing to pay Thomas Jones $6M and I'll concede the Jets took the el-cheapo route. Hell, find a team that was willing to pay him $6M for the next TWO seasons. Oh, that's right. None exist. But the Jets were being cheap in cutting him and getting a better talent in Tomlinson. Maybe the Jets should have paid Tomlinson $6M for this year just to prove that they were willing to spend on the position? No one pays $6M for a 2nd-string RB. Not even in a cap-free season. No one.

Every team cuts dead weight salary-wise. Lito Sheppard was not worth over $10M for this season. Thomas Jones was not worth $6M. Alan Faneca was not worth $7.5M.

Also noticed Bit used Santonio Holmes as a salary downgrade. A salary downgrade from whom? From Wallace Wright? Holmes makes more than anyone he was replacing, and makes more than any 5th-rounder they would have drafted in his stead. A blatant lie that this is a cost-saving move, particularly when fans of 30 teams wish their GM had done it instead.

And as mentioned months ago, cutting Rhodes was because they wanted him off the team (like Sheppard). He would have been cut if he made $750K. Bad play, and chewing out a coach mid-game get you off the team as soon as they can find a replacement. The Jets found one and Rhodes was therefore traded.

Talk about a smear-job.

[Matt39]

Rhodes isnt on the team anymore because he was terrible.

[faba]

I can not see how you can say the roster changes have ben cost cutting as the motive- we have brought in Edwards, Cromartie, Taylor as high profile guys that are upgrades as examples.

[THE ILK]

March of the retards.

[Mistalava]

I have felt that under Woodie's ownership trying to improve the team was always the prime objective. Not every decision has been a winner, but I never got the feeling that the Jets tried to buy players by the pound under the guise of upgrading -- the Wilpons being a prime example of the latter method of management.

[bitonti]

Kellen Clemens has not been cut.

according to jenny v he just took a pay cut or he would have been cut.

Also noticed Bit used Santonio Holmes as a salary downgrade. A salary downgrade from whom? From Wallace Wright? Holmes makes more than anyone he was replacing

Holmes is on the last year of his rookie deal and slated to make 650k salary. Take a quarter away from that cause he's suspended... so that puts his salary in the 480k range. He gets about 600k in bonus. It's not a huge expenditure by any standard.

Like I said I dont think Woody is cheap he just has different priorities. He's spending his money on capital not labor.

[Obrien2Toon]

let me also add fans rushed to proclaim Pool an upgrade over Rhodes, according to Cimini he's already hurt and might not play in season opener.

He is without a doubt an upgrade. Being durable is another question.

I'd take 10 games of physical play by him over 16 games of Rhodes playing like a girl.

[stoicsentry]

according to jenny v he just took a pay cut or he would have been cut.

Holmes is on the last year of his rookie deal and slated to make 650k salary. Take a quarter away from that cause he's suspended... so that puts his salary in the 480k range. He gets about 600k in bonus. It's not a huge expenditure by any standard.

Like I said I dont think Woody is cheap he just has different priorities. He's spending his money on capital not labor.

So Tannenbaum realizes that Holmes is available and tells Woody all about it. The first thing Woody thinks is "yeaahhh this guy is cheap!!!!" not, "yeahhh this guy is a superbowl MVP that we can acquire for next to nothing!!!"???? Really? Come on.