If you were building a team, who would you prefer: Welker or Chrebet?

[T0mShane]

Outside of the obvious WR choices, in the event you HAD TO take one of the two (both obviously in their primes) would you put Welker or Chrebet in your line-up?

[spjets]

that is a tight one right there......i would take Chrebet....

[Lupz27]

Outside of the obvious WR choices, in the event you HAD TO take one of the two (both obviously in their primes) would you put Welker or Chrebet in your line-up?

I could never make that decision unless I saw Wayne play with a HOF QB like Welker plays with to see who is better, but if you force me to, im taking Welker probably because Brady makes him look like a better player to me.

[Matt39]

Ricky Proehl

[faba]

Right now I have to say Welker - based on teams game plan about him- who did that for chrebet honestly

[CTM]

Hard to say, I think they are largely the same player. One plays opposite of Moss w/Brady in a passing offense, the other played with sh*t.

[PatsFanTX]

that is a tight one right there......i would take Chrebet....

Why?

Both have great hands and make the tough catches over the middle.

Welker is faster and quicker and has better YAC.

Chrebet is a better downfield receiver than Welker.

The last 3 years Welker has had 112, 111 and 123 receptions. Chrebet's best year was 84 receptions.

On tough 3rd down catches to move the chains(this is where Chrebet always killed the Pats) I would rate them equally effective.

[jimfire]

Why?

Both have great hands and make the tough catches over the middle.

Welker is faster and quicker and has better YAC.

Chrebet is a better downfield receiver than Welker.

The last 3 years Welker has had 112, 111 and 123 receptions. Chrebet's best year was 84 receptions.

On tough 3rd down catches to move the chains(this is where Chrebet always killed the Pats) I would rate them equally effective.

[jimfire]

Cant go wrong with either.

If chrebet had brady his numbers would just as good as welker. But would welker have been as effective as chrebet was with his offense?

[PatsFanTX]

Cant go wrong with either.

If chrebet had brady his numbers would just as good as welker. But would welker have been as effective as chrebet was with his offense?

That's a hypothetical question that we'll never know the answer.

But I do agree, both were damn good.

[Bruce Banner]

Ricky Proehl

Lance Alworth.

[GodWearsAGrayHoodie]

Wes Welker

[Ranger]

Why?

Both have great hands and make the tough catches over the middle.

Welker is faster and quicker and has better YAC.

Chrebet is a better downfield receiver than Welker.

The last 3 years Welker has had 112, 111 and 123 receptions. Chrebet's best year was 84 receptions.

On tough 3rd down catches to move the chains(this is where Chrebet always killed the Pats) I would rate them equally effective.

I agree Welker is faster and quicker. I would take Welker over Chrebet, but when you list the number of receptions for Welker the last 3 years. Remember Welker has brady and well just look at who Chrebet had.

[JetsFanInDenver]

It's a tough choice.

But i think Chrebet has the definite edge.

He played with different QB's, different OC's and in different systems and was still successful through his career.

Wes Welker has played for only one QB with the Pats. And (correct me if i am wrong) but he was not that successful before that.

[greeniemeanie]

Welker is just a machine. Chrebet never had the supporting cast that Welker has, but I think it comes down to reality vs hypothetical. In reality, Welker has better numbers. Hypothetically, I think it's a toss up.

Welker is one of my favorite players to watch, even though he is a Pat. Chrebet is one of my favorite all time Jets. It really is a tough question for me to answer. I know I would take Moss over Keyshawn or Coles, and Brady over Vinny, Chad, etc.

[Klecko73isGod]

Wayne Chrebet.

[Blackout]

Chrebet if I want just a WR

probably Welker if I also need a return man

[Maxman]

Why?

Both have great hands and make the tough catches over the middle.

Welker is faster and quicker and has better YAC.

Chrebet is a better downfield receiver than Welker.

The last 3 years Welker has had 112, 111 and 123 receptions. Chrebet's best year was 84 receptions.

On tough 3rd down catches to move the chains(this is where Chrebet always killed the Pats) I would rate them equally effective.

I forget who was the QB that was throwing the ball to Wayne? I am sure he was on Brady's level, the name just escapes me.

There were probably equal the number of hall of famers on Chrebet's Jets teams and Welker's Patriots teams as well.

[Integrity28]

Outside of the obvious WR choices, in the event you HAD TO take one of the two (both obviously in their primes) would you put Welker or Chrebet in your line-up?

I would take Chrebet.

They are both similar players in every way. I think Chrebet accomplished more with less around him though.

Welker, not to take anything away from him, because he is a great football player, has Tom Brady throwing to him... and Randy Moss there to take the "lid off" the defense, so to speak. Leaving Welker with all the space in the world to get open underneath coverage. The Patriots offense is designed to get Moss deep and throw the ball to Welker underneath. The Pats have literally used these types of dump-offs to augment their non-existent running game. So, what Welker does from a YAC perspective is what makes him great in this offense. However, if he had an average QB and no Randy Moss and was playing in an offense that didn't use him to replace a running game, then I suspect he'd still be an 80 catch / 1,000 yard WR, like Wayne. But its his QB and Randy that help elevate his numbers to an elite level.

Anyway, that was my unbiased response... my other reason is that I'm a Jets fan.

[Maxman]

Outside of the obvious WR choices, in the event you HAD TO take one of the two (both obviously in their primes) would you put Welker or Chrebet in your line-up?

This is a thread that can only be created in the deep dark mind of TomShane. I love it btw.

[Larz]

welker is faster and quicker

welker hands down

[Jbro22]

Unfortunately I'm unable to answer this question.

[JiF]

Welker could not have done what Chrebet had to do for the Jets. Where as, Cherbet could definitely do what Wes Welker does for the Pats.

Chrebet is the obvious choice.

[CTM]

Why?

Both have great hands and make the tough catches over the middle.

Welker is faster and quicker and has better YAC.

Chrebet is a better downfield receiver than Welker.

The last 3 years Welker has had 112, 111 and 123 receptions. Chrebet's best year was 84 receptions.

On tough 3rd down catches to move the chains(this is where Chrebet always killed the Pats) I would rate them equally effective.

Get out of here with those stats... Chrebet had sh*tty QB's every year except 11 games of Vinny in 98.. and even then Vinny only threw 421 passes.. Brady completed 398 in 2007.. (Vinny had 259 in 1998).. not to mention that brady takes the short routes more then Vinny every did and the pats use the short passing game as thier running game..

In 98, Chrebet caught 75 of Vinny's 259 passes, at a similiar run rate, Chrebet would've caught 115 balls if Vinny had completed 398 like Brady did in 2007 which is 3 more then Welker did (Wayne also would've nabbed 4 more TD's in those 115 receptions)

It's apples to oranges..

You really think Wayne Chrebet in his prime couldn't do what welker does on this offense?

[PatsFanTX]

You really think Wayne Chrebet in his prime couldn't do what welker does on this offense?

Where did I say that?

I have always been a huge Chrebet fan and I think both guys are very similar.

[CTM]

Where did I say that?

I have always been a huge Chrebet fan and I think both guys are very similar.

You acted shocked that anyone would pick Chrebet and then proceeded to present stats to support your outrage

[Montreal Jet]

Outside of the obvious WR choices, in the event you HAD TO take one of the two (both obviously in their primes) would you put Welker or Chrebet in your line-up?

Chrebet. **** the Patriots!!!

[Blackout]

if Chrebet had Randy Moss and Tom Brady instead of Keyshawn and Vinny then I think his numbers would equal or surpass Welker

but Chrebet was no return man like Welker can be

[Jetsfan80]

Wes Welker? Seriously?

[Jared]

Wes Welker has played for only one QB with the Pats. And (correct me if i am wrong) but he was not that successful before that.

Welker was in the league for three years prior to joining the Pats. (Hence why he was a RFA when the Patriots traded for him). Common wisdom is that it takes a WR three years to hit their prime (certain exceptions existing in the super star studs). Saying he is worse because he wasn't as good when he hadn't even been in the league three years yet is unfair to any receiver, but particularly to WRs and QBs.

Season 1: Exclusively used as a returner

Season 2: 1 start, 29 receptions, 434 yards

Season 3: 1 start, 67 receptions, 687 yards (both team highs, with Culpepper, Harrington, and Lemon at QB)

So he was improving year by year, and his third year he was the leading receiver on a terrible team with terrible QBs. A worse situation than any that Chrebet was ever in, I'm sure. His yards per catch were almost identical in his third year to each following year. (10.3 in year three, 10.5-11 since joining the Patriots)

Welker is basically the same player now that he was in Miami. The difference is he doesn't have the worst QB in the division throwing to him like he arguably did in 2006. Even then, he led his team.

[CTM]

Welker was in the league for three years prior to joining the Pats. (Hence why he was a RFA when the Patriots traded for him). Common wisdom is that it takes a WR three years to hit their prime (certain exceptions existing in the super star studs). Saying he is worse because he wasn't as good when he hadn't even been in the league three years yet is unfair to any receiver, but particularly to WRs and QBs.

Season 1: Exclusively used as a returner

Season 2: 1 start, 29 receptions, 434 yards

Season 3: 1 start, 67 receptions, 687 yards (both team highs, with Culpepper, Harrington, and Lemon at QB)

So he was improving year by year, and his third year he was the leading receiver on a terrible team with terrible QBs. A worse situation than any that Chrebet was ever in, I'm sure. His yards per catch were almost identical in his third year to each following year. (10.3 in year three, 10.5-11 since joining the Patriots)

Welker is basically the same player now that he was in Miami. The difference is he doesn't have the worst QB in the division throwing to him like he arguably did in 2006. Even then, he led his team.

O rly?

Cause in 1996 Chrebet was a second year player with 35 year old career backup Frank Reich and garbage Neil O'donnel as QB's.. that team went 1-15 too..

Except Wayne caught 84 passes for 909 yards and 3 TD's.. (you left out welker only having 1 TD)

So what you are really saying then is Wayne > Welker, eh?

[Biggs]

Welker is pretty much an every down player, Chrebet wasn't. I would take Welker.

[PFSIKH]

Outside of the obvious WR choices, in the event you HAD TO take one of the two (both obviously in their primes) would you put Welker or Chrebet in your line-up?

This answer is eay. Either one.

Both are soooo similar it is scary. They both have tremendous chip son their shoulders due to preconceived slights.

They are one in the same.

[JetsFanInDenver]

Welker was in the league for three years prior to joining the Pats. (Hence why he was a RFA when the Patriots traded for him). Common wisdom is that it takes a WR three years to hit their prime (certain exceptions existing in the super star studs). Saying he is worse because he wasn't as good when he hadn't even been in the league three years yet is unfair to any receiver, but particularly to WRs and QBs.

Season 1: Exclusively used as a returner

Season 2: 1 start, 29 receptions, 434 yards

Season 3: 1 start, 67 receptions, 687 yards (both team highs, with Culpepper, Harrington, and Lemon at QB)

So he was improving year by year, and his third year he was the leading receiver on a terrible team with terrible QBs. A worse situation than any that Chrebet was ever in, I'm sure. His yards per catch were almost identical in his third year to each following year. (10.3 in year three, 10.5-11 since joining the Patriots)

Welker is basically the same player now that he was in Miami. The difference is he doesn't have the worst QB in the division throwing to him like he arguably did in 2006. Even then, he led his team.

The funny thing with stats you can quote them selectively to further you point of view.

I did not check the stats of both players when i made my first post. It was based on pure feel on how i have seen them perform.

Now going through the stats i have even higher regard for Chrebet. Bottomline, if both players are surrounded by same offensive scheme and same talent then Chrebet would be ahead of Welker. Although i have very high regard for Welker as a player.

[sirlancemehlot]

Welker is pretty much an every down player, Chrebet wasn't. I would take Welker.

Sorry Biggs. But this is patently false. In fact Chrebet was the Jets #1 for a season, and was their #2 for the rest of his 10 yr career. His total snaps show that. He started 104 games, played in 152 games, had 580 receptions for over 7000 yards, scored 41 touchdowns had a 12.7 ypc career average, 379 1st down receptions and averaged 48 yards per game. Not saying he's better than Welker--they're essentially the same guy. Just challenging your criteria.