Klecko73isGod Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Just got this out of the comments section of Ian O'Conner's moronic column on ESPN.com: Since 2000 the Jets have had 8 players arrested (including Edwards) - 3 from bar fights, 3 drunk driving and one marajuana possession. In that span, the NY Giants have had 11 players arrested, with 7 in the past 2 years. This is a Giants franchise hailed as a model team for character players and the "class" of NY Football. Cincinatti had 32 arrests, which is 4x the Jets The league-wide average of arrests over the last 10 years is 16, putting the Jets at HALF the average in the league. Recent Super Bowl Champions with players arrested over the last 10 years: Saints - 18 arrests Colts - 18 arrests Steelers - 16 arrests Patriots - 11 arrests So lets put it in persepective....MOST teams in the league either sign/draft players with questionable character. Not just the Jets If you are going to express moral outrage over Braylon Edwards, you better have expressed moral outrage at each and every one of the Saints' 18 arrests over the last 10 years. If not, you are nothing but a hypocritical clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 If you are going to express moral outrage over Braylon Edwards, you better have expressed moral outrage at each and every one of the Saints' 18 arrests over the last 10 years. If not, you are nothing but a hypocritical clown. Nice justification of Edwards driving drunk. Everybody else does it, so it's OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted September 23, 2010 Author Share Posted September 23, 2010 Nice justification of Edwards driving drunk. Everybody else does it, so it's OK. Please don't be an asinine troll in this thread. Be a human being for a change Mike. You know I am not justifying anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Please don't be an asinine troll in this thread. Be a human being for a change Mike. You know I am not justifying anything. Seriously, what was the purpose of you starting this thread. You pointed out that other teams get players arrested, so it's no big deal. Or am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Seriously, what was the purpose of you starting this thread. You pointed out that other teams get players arrested, so it's no big deal. Or am I missing something? I think he's point is if you want to compete in a league full of thugs you have to have enough thugs to compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Seriously, what was the purpose of you starting this thread. You pointed out that other teams get players arrested, so it's no big deal. Or am I missing something? I think the point is that the JETS, not BRAYLON are being painted in an unfair light based on this arrest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted September 23, 2010 Author Share Posted September 23, 2010 Seriously, what was the purpose of you starting this thread. You pointed out that other teams get players arrested, so it's no big deal. Or am I missing something? You're completely missing the point. Braylon Edwards is an idiot and deserves whatever punishment he gets. Go back and read the first post again jagoff. Where was the moral outrage when players from 31 other teams got arrested for the same thing? Where was the 24 hours of moral hang wringing? Where were the calls for the organizations the players were employed by to take the law into their own hands and mete out a third layer of punishment in addition to that handed down by the legal process and the NFL? Hypocrisy drives me nuts Mike, you know that and you know who the 2nd worst offenders are next to the media, Boston fans I am looking in your direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted September 23, 2010 Author Share Posted September 23, 2010 I think the point is that the JETS, not BRAYLON are being painted in an unfair light based on this arrest. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Nice justification of Edwards driving drunk. Everybody else does it, so it's OK. That's not the case at all and you know it. Edwards should be treated exactly the same as every other player in the same predicament...not better or worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Jet Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Look, the NFL is a business, and just like any other business, there will be arrests. I'm guessing at least 16 people in my office have been arrested just this year. I mean really, who here doesn't work with someone who accidentally shot themselves, or assaulted someone in the bathroom, at one of their office holiday parties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Seriously, what was the purpose of you starting this thread. You pointed out that other teams get players arrested, so it's no big deal. Or am I missing something? Not that it's no big deal, just that it shouldn't be a bigger deal than similar arrests around the league. And when looking at arrest numbers around the league, the Jets -for all their brashness and bravado- should not be held to a higher standard even though they seem to generally perform at one. The point was pretty clear. Pretty simple. I bet you did get it on the first try, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Look, the NFL is a business, and just like any other business, there will be arrests. I'm guessing at least 16 people in my office have been arrested just this year. I mean really, who here doesn't work with someone who accidentally shot themselves, or assaulted someone in the bathroom, at one of their office holiday parties? Everybody doesn't work in a chain gang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 1) Not that it's no big deal, just that it shouldn't be a bigger deal than similar arrests around the league. 2) And when looking at arrest numbers around the league, the Jets -for all their brashness and bravado- should not be held to a higher standard even though they seem to generally perform at one. 1) I agree with that. 2) With all the crap the Jets have been talking, of course they will be under more scrutiny than other teams. You make your bed, you sleep in it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Seriously, what was the purpose of you starting this thread. You pointed out that other teams get players arrested, so it's no big deal. Or am I missing something? Its not about Edwards its about the Jets being dragged through the mud because they were on Hardknocks this year and their coach likes to use the F word. Nothing more, nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 2) With all the crap the Jets have been talking, of course they will be under more scrutiny than other teams. You make your bed, you sleep in it too. I would agree with that if the Jets were suggesting that they were morally superior to other teams. If they were a Dungy or Mangini led all character team then by all means, call them on their sh*t. But they never made any claims like that. They claim to be heading to the Super Bowl. Feel free to bash them when they suck on the field. They have that coming, no doubt. But their DUI's shouldn't be treated differently than any other team's DUI's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Not that it's no big deal, just that it shouldn't be a bigger deal than similar arrests around the league. And when looking at arrest numbers around the league, the Jets -for all their brashness and bravado- should not be held to a higher standard even though they seem to generally perform at one. The point was pretty clear. Pretty simple. I bet you did get it on the first try, too. There's plenty of hypocrisy on all sides of this issue. When other teams have player issues opposing fans jump all over them. When our team has issues why should we react to them differently than we would a thug from a competitive team? Maybe because we have a vested interest and want to win. That's reasonable self interest and hypocrisy. Reality is we have laws in this country to deal with this kind of behavior. The other reality is teams and the league have a trademark to protect and sponsors to protect. The league and team standards are directly tied into money and are only tied into community standards at the lowest threshold possible. Maintain the product and cred for the sponsor. To high a standard and a league that depends on young jacked up players to create a great game could be endangered. Create to low a standard and the league puts it's trademark and sponsors at risk. It's both hypocritical for the local media to hold it's team to a higher standard and perfectly reasonable at the same time because part of the local media's job is covering the local teams and by its nature you lose national perspective. There is nothing wrong with a team having higher standards of behavior, with that standard comes risk on the talent side. There's also nothing wrong with taking calcullated risk on great talent with questionable behavior if the cost is reasonable. All of that is playing out and the fact that the Jets are in NY and have become a team of national interest these incidents are likely to change the standards of the entire league as the light shines brighter on the issue. This is after all NY the media and commercial hub of the country. The Jets will be held to a higher standard and will help shape the standard across the country. That's what being in the spotlight means, you get to shape public opinion. Maybe it's unfair but I'm guessing the NY Jets are worth allot more money than the Cincinnati Bengals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 I would agree with that if the Jets were suggesting that they were morally superior to other teams. If they were a Dungy or Mangini led all character team then by all means, call them on their sh*t. But they never made any claims like that. They claim to be heading to the Super Bowl. Feel free to bash them when they suck on the field. They have that coming, no doubt. But their DUI's shouldn't be treated differently than any other team's DUI's. Bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Its not about Edwards its about the Jets being dragged through the mud because they were on Hardknocks this year and their coach likes to use the F word. Nothing more, nothing less. Bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 As long as the Jets win I dont care. That's the reality of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted September 23, 2010 Author Share Posted September 23, 2010 Bingo. Bull. As has already been pointed out in this thread: the Jets did not hold themselves out as some morally superior organization like Tony Dungy's Colts. Where was the moral indignation when 18 Colts were arrested on Dungy's watch - more than twice the amount of Jets that have been arrested over the same timespan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Bull. As has already been pointed out in this thread: the Jets did not hold themselves out as some morally superior organization like Tony Dungy's Colts. Where was the moral indignation when 18 Colts were arrested on Dungy's watch - more than twice the amount of Jets that have been arrested over the same timespan? Your still missing the point. Even if the Jets haven't held themselves morally superior (and they haven't), with all the crap they have been spewing they bring more scutiny upon themselves. It's just the way it is with the media. Hell, look at all the crap came down last week with the Mexican Ho reporter. That was a non-issue but look what the media did with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Just got this out of the comments section of Ian O'Conner's moronic column on ESPN.com: If you are going to express moral outrage over Braylon Edwards, you better have expressed moral outrage at each and every one of the Saints' 18 arrests over the last 10 years. If not, you are nothing but a hypocritical clown. wow, you've offered evidence that perception != reality when you're coach goes on pay tv cursing like a sailor and flips opposing fan's off.. you HAVE to expect exactly what's happenning.. wake up .... Who gives a **** anyway... Lets em think we're a bunch of animals, I'm not looking for these guys to marry my daughters, just win a freaken SB.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Media sees money in this situation because the Jets are currently high profile. They'll turn little stories into big stories and big stories into life or death blockbusters. The Jets biggest problem right now is the incompetent beat writers that they have. They can't find leads on anything, so they recycle yesterdays news and blow it out of proportion. The fact that some internet thug in his basement is beating them to the punch on every big story this year is a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 As long as the Jets win I dont care. That's the reality of the situation. ^^ but with a small edit.. As long as the Jets win and don't rape anyone in my family I dont care. That's the reality of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted September 23, 2010 Author Share Posted September 23, 2010 Your still missing the point. Even if the Jets haven't held themselves morally superior (and they haven't), with all the crap they have been spewing they bring more scutiny upon themselves. It's just the way it is with the media. Hell, look at all the crap came down last week with the Mexican Ho reporter. That was a non-issue but look what the media did with it. It doesn't make it right or not hypocritical Mike. ESPN anchors passing moral judgement on the Jets when ESPN looked the other way for five years while Sean Salisbury repeatedly sent pictures of his privates to female staffers? Mike Francesca blasting the Jets for not taking a stronger stand when he spent decades verbally fellating Bill Parcells, who enabled Lawrence Taylor's anti-social behavior? Gary Myers screaming that the Jets are out of control and need to send a message by punishing Edwards when he didn't make a peep about Kareem MacKenzie starting for the Giants two days after being arrested for the same exact thing? I'm sorry but crap like that will always piss me off and guess what? I don't want to become numb to it. Because to me that is the same as condoning it and I will never condone hypocrisy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiF Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Anything the Jets do is going to be amplified, good or bad. The reality of the situation is, Braylon Edwards is only human, Flesh and blood he's made, Human, Born to make mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerichoholic Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Interestingly enough, a couple of folks are starting to recognize the overblown coverage of Braylon's DWI: Check out what Florio posted today: "Meanwhile, some of you have raised a valid point regarding the inconsistency that has arisen following the Edwards arrest. Multiple members of the Jets' next opponent, the Dolphins, were arrested in the offseason. Running back Ronnie Brown and cornerback Will Allen were arrested for DUI, and defensive end Philip Merling was arrested for allegedly beating up his pregnant girlfriend. Defensive end Tony McDaniel was arrested for misdemeanor battery. But yet there was no national outcry that these men immediately should be disciplined by the team." Maybe Brown, Allen and Merling should all not start ... Just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiF Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Interestingly enough, a couple of folks are starting to recognize the overblown coverage of Braylon's DWI: Check out what Florio posted today: "Meanwhile, some of you have raised a valid point regarding the inconsistency that has arisen following the Edwards arrest. Multiple members of the Jets' next opponent, the Dolphins, were arrested in the offseason. Running back Ronnie Brown and cornerback Will Allen were arrested for DUI, and defensive end Philip Merling was arrested for allegedly beating up his pregnant girlfriend. Defensive end Tony McDaniel was arrested for misdemeanor battery. But yet there was no national outcry that these men immediately should be disciplined by the team." Maybe Brown, Allen and Merling should all not start ... Just sayin' Why would Florio expect that scumbag organization who ask kids if their mothers are whores to suspend players for breaking the law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Why would Florio expect that scumbag organization who ask kids if their mothers are whores to suspend players for breaking the law? It's a totally professional maneuver. What do you know. Whore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Can't wait for one of these media members to be busted for the same thing. Anyone ever ride a high horse drunk before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh4dy15 Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Can someone tell me wtf is up with our beat writers?! Since this season started its been rediculous! Rich Cimini and Ian O'Conner especially, i mean why are they even covering the Jets? They Obviousely hate everything about them. Im so sick and tired of the articles on there no matter what happens there is ALWAYS negativity. After the Ravens game one of Cimini's articles was "Who's talking now?" Seriousely?!?! You're a ******* Jets writer a$$hole! Sorry for the rant but its just really been pissing me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 Please don't be an asinine troll in this thread. Be a human being for a change Mike. You know I am not justifying anything. You know you did something right, when TX is acting like an asinine troll in your thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 What i find ironic is people passing moral judgments are the biggest d-bags on the face of the planet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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